Is Joe the Plumber correct??

[Venix]

It was pointless and needlessly inflammatory. He basically just stated his opinion on a major point of contention--whether Constitutional rights can be limited in an attempt to improve public safety. It's not a particularly compelling argument.

 

[Venix]

Here's how it works:

Adam Lanza wants to murder 30 children. Instead of just giving him the guns, as they did because no mental illness check, they tell him to fuck off. Instead off killing 26 ppl with a gun he goes home and slits his wrists.

Adam Lanza did not buy any guns. He stole them from his mother, who would have passed any mental illness check. Good work researching the topic.

 

[cubby1223]

Here's how it works:

Adam Lanza wants to murder 30 children. Instead of just giving him the guns, as they did because no mental illness check, they tell him to fuck off. Instead off killing 26 ppl with a gun he goes home and slits his wrists.

For the sake of argument let's say he's gonna attack no matter what, he still only will kill a few with a knife. That still saved 23 peoples lives.


Edit: lol how is CA restrictive? It's extremely easy to get any reasonable weapon here.

Why do you want 30 round magazines? I'm starting to believe the people on this forum who love guns and 30rd magazines are the exact same people who are crazy enough to kill children?

Does it bother you to know that you'll never be able to murder all the kids that bullied you in highschool? I get it now

"I'm saving the lives of your children, why can't you fuckers just understand that?!!!!!!"

 

[TreVader]

Adam Lanza did not buy any guns. He stole them from his mother, who would have passed any mental illness check. Good work researching the topic.

Actually the mother bought the guns for him, which in CA she would have to report, which would have made her ineligible to buy them.


You shouldn't be allowed to buy guns and give them to insane people either.



Good work researching your post!

 

[Victorian Gray]

okay. then please site one occasion (just one measly occasion) when a gun kill something all by itself.

At some point in time you came to the conclusion that you are a clever person.

You're wrong.

 

[JEDIYoda]

At some point in time you came to the conclusion that you are a clever person.

You're wrong.

at some point you realized that he was right and you chose not to admit it.....

 

[Victorian Gray]

at some point you realized that he was right and you chose not to admit it.....

Right about what? It was a cheap and meaningless rhetorical trick. You wish to pat him on the back for that, feel free.

 

[shira]

The only rights the left doesn't want any restrictions on are Abortion and voting.

If they could ban guns they would, no matter what the constitution says.

What the "Constitution says" is what the SCOTUS says it says. The next time there's a 5-4 majority of liberals, he SCOTUS might decide the Second Amendment "says" something different from what what the current SCOTUS says it says.

 

[shira]

okay. then please site one occasion (just one measly occasion) when a gun kill something all by itself.

So your argument is that if something cannot cause harm without the involvement of humans, then that thing should be legal to own without regulation?

 

[shira]

IMO this completely misses the real issue: Those with mental health problems legally purchasing guns when they shouldn't be permitted. The Aurora movie shooter had been reported by his psychiatrist but the police/feds missed it when doing the required background check (NICS).

If we can't properly utilize the rules we already have I don't see any need in adding more. Let's just fix what's broken. (In that regard, the House just passed a measure to improve the NICS.)

Fern

So bulimics shouldn't be allowed to purchase guns? No one with depression should be allowed to purchase guns?

And what about those who have ALREADY purchase guns who are later diagnosed with a mental condition that makes them a threat to themselves or others? Are you advocating that we set up a national registry of gun owners so that mental health professionals can cross-check their patients against this list? I'm sure the gun-nuts would whole-heartedly agree with that approach.

 

[jpeyton]

What the "Constitution says" is what the SCOTUS says it says. The next time there's a 5-4 majority of liberals, he SCOTUS might decide the Second Amendment "says" something different from what what the current SCOTUS says it says.

A different interpretation of the 2A doesn't make guns legal or illegal. Case law is merely something that can filter down into individual state laws depending on the mood of state courts, state legislatures, and voters.

As long as the 2A is there, the 350+ million firearms, billions of rounds of ammunition, and hundreds of millions of standard capacity magazines are here to stay.

 

[Abraxas]

okay. then please site one occasion (just one measly occasion) when a gun kill something all by itself.

God I am tired of seeing this bit of stupid trotted out every time there is a tragedy involving a gun. "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." If this is so, we sure waste an awful lot of money buying guns for our troops before deploying them to combat. Guns may not kill people on their own but you'd have to be a vegetable to not figure out guns let people who want to kill other people kill more effectively and more easily. I don't know when it became fashionable to try and obfuscate from this fact, but pro-legalization people would do well to drop it - it makes us look like stupid liars.

 

[olds]

...There are tons of cases where mentally ill people buy guns and murder dozens. Holmes and Lanza come to mind...

Where did Lanza buy his guns?

 

[UaVaj]

So your argument is that if something cannot cause harm without the involvement of humans, then that thing should be legal to own without regulation?

again. not argument. just reality check.

 

[UaVaj]

At some point in time you came to the conclusion that you are a clever person.

You're wrong.

wrong again?? if guns was the culprit and guns did all the killing? then why is prison not full of guns, instead it is full of criminals (people).

if you dogs gonna bark. at least try to bark up the right tree.

your issue is with criminals, not guns.

try not to confuse the two.

 

[Victorian Gray]

wrong again?? if guns was the culprit and guns did all the killing? then why is prison not full of guns, instead it is full of criminals (people).

if you dogs gonna bark. at least try to bark up the right tree.

your issue is with criminals, not guns.

try not to confuse the two.

I am not confused and you are still not clever. Stupid rhetorical ploy is still stupid rhetorical ploy.

Have a great life.

 

[UaVaj]

your conviction is so deep. even when undisputed facts is in front of you.
you are unable to separate the difference between reality and make belief.

CNFS.

 

[sportage]

Like I always say, the problem with guns is that people have become brainwashed to believe guns solve all their problems. Everything is scary. Your neighbors, your friends, your wife, your politicians, the police, that black guy, that gay guy, that Asian guy, that muslim guy, the government, everyone has become the enemy and something to fear. And how do we solve scary things that we are afraid of? Guns. Solve our problems? Guns. Our anger? Guns. Our personal problems? Guns.

Guns were never meant to be worshiped as they are today.
The NRA has been extremely successful at stirring up our fears, making us fear everything, then making the case guns our only answer.
How do you know when you have been brainwashed?
How can you tell?
Is there any hope?
Can we stand back and realize what has been done to us?
Or, are we forever hopelessly brainwashed to worship the gun?
Aw... if only the tobacco companies had such power of fear over us.
The fear that if you don't smoke, you are forever the loser.

Ps. if ever there were a foolish simple minded little man afraid of everything including his own shadow, it is Joe The Plumber. Is anyone really that surprised how much Joe loves his guns?

And to think... his very own twin sister, Sarah Palin, ALMOST became VP.
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[Gonad the Barbarian]

It's a civilian arms race and the NRA is playing every side to perpetuate it for corporate profit.

 

[Engineer]

Originally Posted by shira
So your argument is that if something cannot cause harm without the involvement of humans, then that thing should be legal to own without regulation?

again. not argument. just reality check.

So I should be able to own ANYTHING because none of those things can harm anyone without a person using them? Great. I'm off to tell my Congressman that because of the 2nd Amendment and your wisely posted sentence, I want to be able to buy rocket launchers, grenades, hell...maybe a tank. None of those will kill anyone unless I use them to kill.

Great. Can't wait!

 

[schmuckley]

How many of the reported gun deaths are legitimate shoots? :whiste:

 

[Matt1970]

I will never understand why the gun grabbers want to go after legal owners when they are committing less than 1% of all crimes involving guns. Or how limiting magazine capacity is some how going to make a dent in the 17,000 murders every year.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

When all else fails break out the hyperbole (grenade launchers,RPGs........)

 

[Engineer]

When all else fails break out the hyperbole (grenade launchers,RPGs........)

Or cars, knives, spoons....

(Hey, I'm just playing along here).

Besides, none of those things kill people....only people kill people. Didn't you read the above statements?

silly boy.....

Edit: By the way, what have I failed at (assuming you threw that statement at me)?

 

[jpeyton]

The NRA would be flattered so many people think it wields god-like powers.

But maybe some of you should man-up and realize the NRA's powers are derived entirely from its members and the voters. The NRA is composed of and funded by 5 million members, who donate money and time to promote and protect an industry they love.

Consequently, politicians who vote against gun control aren't afraid of the NRA, but they are afraid of the voters. And that's a good thing; every politician should be afraid of the voters that keep them in office.