Is joining a fraternity the equivalent to a minor in douchebaggery?

[Naer]

lol

 

[touchstone]

i was a legacy and yes i can confirm i am i minor douchebag

 

[Naer]

Not unless its the scenario of the movie old school

 

[zinfamous]

fwiw, my brother did the frat thing, spent the final year of college and the next year disowning himself from their memory.

He was the only one keeping those a-holes grades up, on his way to med school, residency, attending, well, you know--actually being successful and a useful human being (emphasis important, as success rarely seems to define useful these days...).

Anyway, I've never had much positive experience with frat dudes. You will find a few normal and good peeps, of course; but for the most part: truly a bunch of failures in life trying desperately to get by with the herd.

NS1 notwithstanding. :wub:

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

One of the big lessons of frat life is that, with good presentation, you can get away with almost anything.

Do saints 'get away with stuff'? No, criminals do. So indeed, frat life teaches kids how to be a serial rapist, a serial killer, a thief, a liar, so basically someone you should shoot on sight to protect yourself and the rest of the community. Thank you for admitting to that.

 

[Mixolydian]

Yes

 

[irishScott]

I assume you're talking social frats. My University's engineering honor society frat was known for its members grades improving after they joined...

Social frats run the gamut. Most of the social frat guys I met weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer but they were decent guys. They had this weird "I'm a nice guy sometimes acting like a douchebag" thing going.

 

[ControlD]

Eh, it depends on the university and the fraternity. I was in one and I still thought a lot of fraternity guys were dicks, not unlike a bunch of people that weren't in fraternities. I went to a pretty small school in the middle of nowhere (one bar town) for my bachelor's degree so Greek life was really the center of the social scene. I met my wife at a fraternity event and made a bunch of good friends along the way. I also saved multiple thousands of dollars living off campus and cooking my own meals, options that were only available to people living in fraternity / sorority houses.

When I went to graduate school at a much, much larger university in a real city it seemed like Greek life was much more of a fringe thing.

 

[irishScott]

Eh, it depends on the university and the fraternity. I was in one and I still thought a lot of fraternity guys were dicks, not unlike a bunch of people that weren't in fraternities. I went to a pretty small school in the middle of nowhere (one bar town) for my bachelor's degree so Greek life was really the center of the social scene. I met my wife at a fraternity event and made a bunch of good friends along the way. I also saved multiple thousands of dollars living off campus and cooking my own meals, options that were only available to people living in fraternity / sorority houses.

When I went to graduate school at a much, much larger university in a real city it seemed like Greek life was much more of a fringe thing.

Yeah, at my University it also mattered that the frat/sorority houses were mostly further off campus than the dorms and apartments, so house parties were the primary party scene. The most you'd see of frats/sororities is when they rented out one of the University's rooms or a bunch of buses or something.

One time a bunch of obnoxious sorority girls thought it would be a good idea to take over the top (quietest) floor of the library (I'm not sure why, they certainly weren't studying) and got kicked out for making way too much noise. I was there (actually studying), it was pretty sweet. They were hilariously indignant about it too, like a bunch of pissed off hens. Then again given what I overheard them talking about I doubt many of them have been in a library in their lives. I wouldn't have been surprised if they were looking for the Starbucks.

 

[Vdubchaos]

Why would anyone want to join is the big question?

 

[z1ggy]

I sense a lotttttt of butt hurt jelly dudes in here who probably got denied access to parties/girls/anything from fraternity people in college. Or, they are basing their opinion purely on what's been in the news as of recent.

I was in one in college, at a small engineering/technical type of school. There was no "homo" stuff, none of us raped girls, none of us sang racist chants. We volunteered every single semester for the salvation army and did other charitable work for the community.

Did we drink our tits off? Yup. Did we break shit in our OWN house? Yup. Did we tell funny stories on Sunday morning and do things we'd never do as real adults now? Yup. Do I regret it at all? No.

 

[ControlD]

I sense a lotttttt of butt hurt jelly dudes in here who probably got denied access to parties/girls/anything from fraternity people in college.

I was in one in college, at a small engineering/technical type of school. There was no "homo" stuff, none of us raped girls, none of us sang racist chants. We volunteered every single semester for the salvation army and did other charitable work for the community.

Did we drink our tits off? Yup. Did we break shit in our OWN house? Yup. Did we tell funny stories on Sunday morning and do things we'd never do as real adults now? Yup. Do I regret it at all? No.

Sounds almost exactly like my experience as well.

 

[highland145]

I'd say that's fair. Pretty much every 19 year old is a massive douche.

QFT

 

[Paratus]

I believe you......


j/k

Homoeroticism what homoeroticism?

 

[Newell Steamer]

I look at it this way; you and/or your parents are paying an INSANE amount of money to get your ass educated.

Why introduce any detrimental elements to those efforts?

Having friends is perfectly OK. Going out for drinks is perfectly fine. Partying is perfectly fine. Screwing around with sex is MORE than perfectly fine - hormones abound, blow off some steam.

However, Frat/Sorority life is known for excess. Not every house or organization is about being over the top. Nonetheless, for me, I avoided it.

If a person can handle the excess AND still pass AND get a great job afterwards - all the better and more power to them.

For me, binge drinking, HPV, vomit and dudebros was not on my like list.

 

[Humpy]

Do saints 'get away with stuff'? No, criminals do. So indeed, frat life teaches kids how to be a serial rapist, a serial killer, a thief, a liar, so basically someone you should shoot on sight to protect yourself and the rest of the community. Thank you for admitting to that.

You're welcome.

I like your reasoning but I think you sold yourself short listing those who are shoot on site worthy. Fraternities have been known to teach those things, but so has the church, working at McDonald's, congress, skateboarding, moms, the military, and ATOT.

So, being a typical ATOT'er, you are advocating everyone be shot on site to make your life easier and less scary.

 

[ControlD]

Do saints 'get away with stuff'? No, criminals do. So indeed, frat life teaches kids how to be a serial rapist, a serial killer, a thief, a liar, so basically someone you should shoot on sight to protect yourself and the rest of the community. Thank you for admitting to that.

Damn, I feel like I was cheated. I never learned any of that stuff in my fraternity. Some of it sounds quite useful.

 

[z1ggy]

Damn, I feel like I was cheated. I never learned any of that stuff in my fraternity. Some of it sounds quite useful.

What?? You didn't take the raping course while pledging??? Come on, everybody takes that!!

 

[Humpy]

By "get away with anything" I meant things like picking up litter without wearing safety glasses, hugging puppies even though cats are preferred, helping special needs kids when they didn't need anything, too much enthusiasm around the clitoris, helping ladies in their late 40's cross the street, over-watering the grass, etc. All the usual fraternity mistakes and hijinks.

Skyclad1uhm1 is just another basement dweller afraid of everything who dragged my post down the darkest path imaginable.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Not automatically, no. Of course I was in one.

I'll tell you this though, it really does just vary campus to campus and even then it varies within that campus.

 

[JM Aggie08]

Shut up, nerd.

I was never in one myself, but knew plenty of decent people that were in both social and academic frats.

 

[clamum]

I went to several different frat parties while in college and had a couple of friends who were in a frat (Phi Kappa IIRC). The Phi Kapps I met seemed alright but the Delt Sig guys were a bunch of jock-bro-toolbags.

 

[ControlD]

I went to several different frat parties while in college and had a couple of friends who were in a frat (Phi Kappa IIRC). The Phi Kapps I met seemed alright but the Delt Sig guys were a bunch of jock-bro-toolbags.

Weird. Almost sounds like we went to the same school.

 

[Tweak155]

Sounds almost exactly like my experience as well.

Same.

Not to mention I've had work during bad periods because of the connection too. More than one job offer, etc.

 

[Hugo Drax]

What is a Jelly dude? Someone made out of Jelly?