Is joining a fraternity the equivalent to a minor in douchebaggery?

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Ns1

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Business fraternities are usually not restricted to males. Just a thought.
 

lxskllr

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Business fraternities are usually not restricted to males. Just a thought.

I'm guessing they either predate female participation, and kept the name due to historical use, or they're ignorant of language, and should have picked a different name.
 

shortylickens

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Major in douchery.
Minor in rape. Which fits cuz minors get raped over there more than anyone else.
 

DrPizza

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I found that story to be rather sad. While their signs were offensive, immature, etc., it shows how much our society is now choosing to trample over 1st Amendment rights in an effort to shield college aged students from being offended. I recently read an article about how professors now have to shield students from hearing material that they may find offensive or troubling in any way. This is really going to hurt us more than it helps us in the long run.
 

Hugo Drax

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I found that story to be rather sad. While their signs were offensive, immature, etc., it shows how much our society is now choosing to trample over 1st Amendment rights in an effort to shield college aged students from being offended. I recently read an article about how professors now have to shield students from hearing material that they may find offensive or troubling in any way. This is really going to hurt us more than it helps us in the long run.

I agree I don't think they should have been banned. Let them hang the signs out. I think its hilarious myself.


But still douchebags.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Of course fraternities shouldn't be banned. It's much easier to determine who can be ignored and dismissed out of hand if you know they're a frat rat before hand. Do you have any idea what kind of drain on society would be caused by frat rats entering the normal work channels?
 

irishScott

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I found that story to be rather sad. While their signs were offensive, immature, etc., it shows how much our society is now choosing to trample over 1st Amendment rights in an effort to shield college aged students from being offended. I recently read an article about how professors now have to shield students from hearing material that they may find offensive or troubling in any way. This is really going to hurt us more than it helps us in the long run.

I'm not sure this falls under that category. Close, but not quite. We're talking about publicly displayed and intentionally offensive signs, not discourse or discussion. Standards for public decency are hardly a new thing, I wouldn't be allowed to paint a dick on the side of my house and claim the 1st amendment.

It seems pretty equivalent to something the local Pro-Life Vanguard did back when I was at the University of Delaware. They set up large, billboard-like posters with high-res photos of aborted fetuses on The Green, which is the main thoroughfare through campus and directly in front of a number of academic buildings. They were shortly instructed to take the signs down after a number of people complained.

Now regarding the constraining of academic discussions and shielding students, that's more a problem with biased faculty culture IMO. Rest assured the students can and do talk about anything and everything with other students, regardless of what the professors tell them. Another example from my almamater, we briefly had this mandatory, retarded diversity program that taught you could not be a victim of racism if you were white, regardless of circumstance, among other stupid ideologies. Naturally this garnered some controversy in the news and was quickly withdrawn, but among the students (of which I was one), it was simply and universally laughed at. It was that required thing we had to space-out through once a week before going back to our dorms to laugh at it and play mario kart.

Now by contrast, I read a few news articles and statements that portrayed it as Orwellian, oppressive, scary, damaging, etc. College students, despite stereotypes, aren't that readily pliable. The smart ones will see right through it and the dumb ones won't care. Same goes for information professors might display. So while I'll admit suppression of unpleasant academic discussion is a bad thing and should be fixed, I'd say its effects are pretty limited and somewhat embellished by the egos of educators. It likely affects faculty more than it affects students, particularly when Google can readily supply the rest of the story.
 
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TallBill

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Depends on the house. The one I almost joined (before I left school to join the Army) was awesome. We had plenty of fun parties, but they had absolute zero hazing, really pushed academics and athletics. The house had like a 3.3 GPA and was a lot of fun.

A lot of people commenting negatively have had no real experience. If you're honestly interested just visit a few houses and see what they have to offer. Remember that its 100+ people so there are still a bunch of cliques within the house.

Pretty much any activity that I possibly could have enjoyed, from video games, to football, to board games there would have been a group in the house that supported it.

The ritual and tradition stuff was very limited and we did all kinds of fun outings.
 

smackababy

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Depends on the house. The one I almost joined (before I left school to join the Army) was awesome. We had plenty of fun parties, but they had absolute zero hazing, really pushed academics and athletics. The house had like a 3.3 GPA and was a lot of fun.

A lot of people commenting negatively have had no real experience. If you're honestly interested just visit a few houses and see what they have to offer. Remember that its 100+ people so there are still a bunch of cliques within the house.

Pretty much any activity that I possibly could have enjoyed, from video games, to football, to board games there would have been a group in the house that supported it.

The ritual and tradition stuff was very limited and we did all kinds of fun outings.

And then you joined the Army, where you had a ton of drinking parties, a ton of hazing, and no academics or athletics to speak of. >_>
 

TallBill

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And then you joined the Army, where you had a ton of drinking parties, a ton of hazing, and no academics or athletics to speak of. >_>

No, actually I went to war, twice.. I barely drank for 3.5 years. No hazing either. Got some college done and played some volleyball.
 

Hugo Drax

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Every year more and more Fraternities are being banned for all kinds of douchebag behavior. At some point you would think they would be a little more careful. It seems the whole frat life is about douchebaggery.


Another Fraternity sanction. For a contest called "Pig Roast"

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...u-suspended-for-offensive-pig-roast-game.html

A Cornell fraternity has been placed on probation after its members conducted a contest they called a “pig roast,” in which men competed to sleep with women they consider overweight.

The university launched an investigation into the fraternity Zeta Beta Tau after multiple reports of the game. According to the student newspaper, the fraternity said the games were not “chapter sanctioned activities nor ones that brothers were aware of.”
 

Ns1

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Every year more and more Fraternities are being banned for all kinds of douchebag behavior. At some point you would think they would be a little more careful. It seems the whole frat life is about douchebaggery.

My fraternity got the 7 year banhammer. It was a good 40 something year run, but alas that style of fraternity can't exist in this day and age. Cell phone cameras will doom them all.
 

deadlyapp

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Every year more and more Fraternities are being banned for all kinds of douchebag behavior. At some point you would think they would be a little more careful. It seems the whole frat life is about douchebaggery.


Another Fraternity sanction. For a contest called "Pig Roast"

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...u-suspended-for-offensive-pig-roast-game.html

A Cornell fraternity has been placed on probation after its members conducted a contest they called a “pig roast,” in which men competed to sleep with women they consider overweight.

The university launched an investigation into the fraternity Zeta Beta Tau after multiple reports of the game. According to the student newspaper, the fraternity said the games were not “chapter sanctioned activities nor ones that brothers were aware of.”
I mean, to be honest, that sort of shit goes on outside of frats just in groups of friends. Slapping "frat" on it just gets people more riled up that it's men objectifying women.

I won't lie though, I lolled super hard after I understood what a pig roast was.
 

GagHalfrunt

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I mean, to be honest, that sort of shit goes on outside of frats just in groups of friends. Slapping "frat" on it just gets people more riled up that it's men objectifying women.

Frats are sanctioned by the national organizations and by the school itself. Groups of friends are not. That's all the difference in the world and it's most definitely not about getting people riled up.
 

Hugo Drax

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My fraternity got the 7 year banhammer. It was a good 40 something year run, but alas that style of fraternity can't exist in this day and age. Cell phone cameras will doom them all.

That does make sense. Before Cellphone cameras people did not shoot themselves in the foot. Now Social media and the tons of cameras out there that can be filming you at any moment and posting what you did all over the place is probably the cause of so many closing etc.

Then you have posts on the Frat websites, emails etc.. that someone leaks out to the world.
 

Scarpozzi

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I pledged a fraternity, but didn't go through with it because my whole pledge class went to jail while I was eating a tbone steak at IHOP with this chick I liked.

You can't judge all fraternities on 99.4% of them that are filled with douches. Just remember....cream rises to the top....the rest go to jail.
 
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