Is kerry pro-gun?

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
If I had the money this baby would be fine. Fully automatic. Form a corporation and you can get the papers. Pre ban. And hey its already in Texas!

Kerry is *NOT*, I repeat *NOT* pro-gun.

We dont need the gun grabbers to have one of their own in the White House.

Actually I believe Kerry is *NOT*, I repeat *NOT* pro-NRA. Now it is hard to believe but there is a difference between being pro-gun and pro-NRA. No matter what LaPierre tells you.

 

[Rightwinger]

Originally posted by: Buck_Naked

Originally posted by: Rightwinger

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
If I had the money this baby would be fine. Fully automatic. Form a corporation and you can get the papers. Pre ban. And hey its already in Texas!

Kerry is *NOT*, I repeat *NOT* pro-gun.

We dont need the gun grabbers to have one of their own in the White House.

*ahem*

You arent up to snuff on current National Firearms Act regulations are you?

A: You do NOT need a corporation to "get the papers"
B: Pre ban in this case means pre 86, a better term for it is Civilian Transferrable - which explains the price.
C: Already being in Texas means nothing except not paying for shipping, you still need to do a Form 4 like anyone else.

Heh... $13,800 for a sear gun, not even a Registered Receiver... If I had only known....

Even though there has only been one case of a legally owned automatic weapon being used in a crime (a sworn police officer by the way), the 1986 law that no longer allowed civillians to own automatic weapons manufactured after that date has only made class 3 stuff available to the rich. That weapon used to run about $2500.

IIRC, if you are a Law Enforcement agency, the read deal goes for about $1000...

$2500 IF THAT, I know folks who had purchased 20 registerered Fleming sears in 1980 for $200 each.

Everyone thought he was crazy. I'm sure you can figure out what that's worth today.

Post 86 prices is about $1200 for that gun, not a bad deal provided you have the money that affords you to get an FFL with proper zoning and your annual $500 SOT.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: PELarson
Actually I believe Kerry is *NOT*, I repeat *NOT* pro-NRA. Now it is hard to believe but there is a difference between being pro-gun and pro-NRA. No matter what LaPierre tells you.

[Ace Ventura]Reeeeeeeheeeeeeeeeeeeeheeeeeeeally?[/Ace] The man has voted to ban many common centerfire rifle cartridges. He voted to ban all semi-auto shotguns. He voted to ban all semiauto center and rimfire rifles with detachable magazines. Which includes things like the Ruger 10/22. I'd have to say that is pretty darn anti-gun.

 

[Mookow]

Does anyone know how much the NRA has contributed to/for Bush this year? I saw a website that said it was really low (sub $2K), but I havent seen any confirming info.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: PELarson
Actually I believe Kerry is *NOT*, I repeat *NOT* pro-NRA. Now it is hard to believe but there is a difference between being pro-gun and pro-NRA. No matter what LaPierre tells you.

[Ace Ventura]Reeeeeeeheeeeeeeeeeeeeheeeeeeeally?[/Ace] The man has voted to ban many common centerfire rifle cartridges. He voted to ban all semi-auto shotguns. He voted to ban all semiauto center and rimfire rifles with detachable magazines. Which includes things like the Ruger 10/22. I'd have to say that is pretty darn anti-gun.

No Anti Gun means that no American Citizen can privately own a gun.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: PELarson
Actually I believe Kerry is *NOT*, I repeat *NOT* pro-NRA. Now it is hard to believe but there is a difference between being pro-gun and pro-NRA. No matter what LaPierre tells you.

[Ace Ventura]Reeeeeeeheeeeeeeeeeeeeheeeeeeeally?[/Ace] The man has voted to ban many common centerfire rifle cartridges. He voted to ban all semi-auto shotguns. He voted to ban all semiauto center and rimfire rifles with detachable magazines. Which includes things like the Ruger 10/22. I'd have to say that is pretty darn anti-gun.

No Anti Gun means that no American Citizen can privately own a gun.

So if a candidate wanted to ban private ownership of all guns but single shot 22's rifles with a minimum barrel length of 30 inches, he wouldnt be anti-gun?

Kerry hasnt gone that far (yet), but your definition of "anti-gun" would seem to exclude the above example.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Buck_Naked
Kerry is about as anti-gun as they get... Read the link from Red Dawn.... He is in the same category as Feinstein and Schumer...

I personally can't stand either candidate, but Kerry's piss poor stance on responsible gun ownership has left me with little choice come November...

what responsible person needs to own a fully-automatic assault rifle?

What responsible Jew needed to own a fully-automatic assault rifle when the Nazis came to take them away to death camps?

Guns are needed as a last resort to keep the government in check. Every household should have enough guns to arm every capable person in the family.

But the problem comes when Germans get fully-automatic guns too

The irony in that statement was Hitler was pro gun-control.

 

[cpumaster]

I think everyone should own a knife or a sword instead of gun, the killing would be more gruesome thus more enjoyable to watch than shooting someone from far away.
Imagine police chase that end up with cops stabbing & cutting the criminals to pieces...

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: cpumaster
I think everyone should own a knife or a sword instead of gun, the killing would be more gruesome thus more enjoyable to watch than shooting someone from far away.
Imagine police chase that end up with cops stabbing & cutting the criminals to pieces...

Only if you want to see increased costs for police health care benefits. I've seen them handle guns at various firing ranges. A barrel sweep with a pistol is dangerous, but generally does not result in hospital time. A careless sweep with a bastard sword, OTOH, results in missing appendages.

 

[viivo]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Buck_Naked
Kerry is about as anti-gun as they get... Read the link from Red Dawn.... He is in the same category as Feinstein and Schumer...

I personally can't stand either candidate, but Kerry's piss poor stance on responsible gun ownership has left me with little choice come November...

what responsible person needs to own a fully-automatic assault rifle?

What responsible Jew needed to own a fully-automatic assault rifle when the Nazis came to take them away to death camps?

Guns are needed as a last resort to keep the government in check. Every household should have enough guns to arm every capable person in the family.

But the problem comes when Germans get fully-automatic guns too

The irony in that statement was Hitler was pro gun-control.

Yeesh, it took 3 whole pages for someone to finally bring up Hitler? Just what kind of gun debate is this anyway?

 

[Riprorin]

Kerry Brags About Hunting. "I go out with my trusty 12-gauge double-barrel, crawl around on my stomach. I track and move and decoy and play games and try to outsmart them. You know, you kind of play the wind. That's hunting," said Kerry. (Craig Gilbert, "Bringing candidate to life," Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, 7/5/04)

Kerry Received An "F" On The Most Recent National Rifle Association Report Card. (National Rifle Association, "NRA U.S. Senate Key Votes," 1985-2004)

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
If I had the money this baby would be fine. Fully automatic. Form a corporation and you can get the papers. Pre ban. And hey its already in Texas!

Kerry is *NOT*, I repeat *NOT* pro-gun.

We dont need the gun grabbers to have one of their own in the White House.

Actually I believe Kerry is *NOT*, I repeat *NOT* pro-NRA. Now it is hard to believe but there is a difference between being pro-gun and pro-NRA. No matter what LaPierre tells you.

Like being pro-civil rights but not pro-NAACP.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: PELarson
Actually I believe Kerry is *NOT*, I repeat *NOT* pro-NRA. Now it is hard to believe but there is a difference between being pro-gun and pro-NRA. No matter what LaPierre tells you.

Like being pro-civil rights but not pro-NAACP.

I am still waiting to hear how a man who voted to ban all (centerfire and rimfire) semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines is "pro-gun". Because, hey, when I think "dangerous criminals with guns", I think the of the infamous Ruger 10/22.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
If I had the money this baby would be fine. Fully automatic. Form a corporation and you can get the papers. Pre ban. And hey its already in Texas!

Kerry is *NOT*, I repeat *NOT* pro-gun.

We dont need the gun grabbers to have one of their own in the White House.

Actually I believe Kerry is *NOT*, I repeat *NOT* pro-NRA. Now it is hard to believe but there is a difference between being pro-gun and pro-NRA. No matter what LaPierre tells you.

Like being pro-civil rights but not pro-NAACP.

no, its more like being pro civil rights and not being pro black panthers.

 

[Mookow]

You guys can argue over whether it is possible to be pro-gun but not pro-NRA, however... I still dont see Kerry as being "pro-gun". Anyone want to answer the question "why is it that you consider Kerry pro-gun?"

 

[Vic]

I don't see GW as being pro-gun either. The way he acts, if terrorists were to attack again I see nothing to stop him from attempting to capitalize on such a tragedy by working to repeal the 2nd Amendment for "national security purposes" or some such BS.
His already successful attacks against the 4th and 5th Amendments do not lead me to trust his integrity on upholding the Constitution as he has sworn to.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Vic
I don't see GW as being pro-gun either. The way he acts, if terrorists were to attack again I see nothing to stop him from attempting to capitalize on such a tragedy by working to repeal the 2nd Amendment for "national security purposes" or some such BS.
His already successful attacks against the 4th and 5th Amendments do not lead me to trust his integrity on upholding the Constitution as he has sworn to.

Oh, I dont trust Bush's campaign promises says any farther than I can simultaneously throw him + the three largest active Secret Service agents. And looking at his actions, I dont trust him any farther than I can throw him in the above scenario. However, on the basis of what he has done while in office, as opposed to what Kerry has voted for (if not co-sponsored), Bush is the "more pro-gun" of the two major candidates running for office.

 

[Bonesdad]

Originally posted by: Zebo
anyone know his stance and how he leans?

Honestly I don't care about any of the "issues" everyone keeps talking about...



Health Care? Everyone already has health care.




What i DO care about is the constitution in it's entirety and our individual rights...to bear...to not be randomly searched w/o warrant etc etc etc... Hows kerry on these???

Everyone has health care??? Huh??? I musta missed that candy when they dropped it in the bag...

Good thing we have health care, we will need it with all the yahoos carrying guns. ugh.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Bonesdad

Originally posted by: Zebo
anyone know his stance and how he leans?

Honestly I don't care about any of the "issues" everyone keeps talking about...



Health Care? Everyone already has health care.




What i DO care about is the constitution in it's entirety and our individual rights...to bear...to not be randomly searched w/o warrant etc etc etc... Hows kerry on these???

Everyone has health care??? Huh??? I musta missed that candy when they dropped it in the bag...

Good thing we have health care, we will need it with all the yahoos carrying guns. ugh.

If you show up at a hospital near death, it's true that they will treat you. See other threads re: "creating a false impression using facts".

 

[Bonesdad]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Buck_Naked
Kerry is about as anti-gun as they get... Read the link from Red Dawn.... He is in the same category as Feinstein and Schumer...

I personally can't stand either candidate, but Kerry's piss poor stance on responsible gun ownership has left me with little choice come November...

what responsible person needs to own a fully-automatic assault rifle?

What responsible Jew needed to own a fully-automatic assault rifle when the Nazis came to take them away to death camps?

Guns are needed as a last resort to keep the government in check. Every household should have enough guns to arm every capable person in the family.

OMG!!! Can't believe this!!! I'm from Idaho where neo-Nazi's are free and cheap. We passed a couple of laws and they ran with tails tucked. LOL, what horrible beast is replaceing the Nazi's these days...oh yeah, the "liberal" media...LOL LOL LOL

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Bonesdad

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Buck_Naked
Kerry is about as anti-gun as they get... Read the link from Red Dawn.... He is in the same category as Feinstein and Schumer...

I personally can't stand either candidate, but Kerry's piss poor stance on responsible gun ownership has left me with little choice come November...

what responsible person needs to own a fully-automatic assault rifle?

What responsible Jew needed to own a fully-automatic assault rifle when the Nazis came to take them away to death camps?

Guns are needed as a last resort to keep the government in check. Every household should have enough guns to arm every capable person in the family.

OMG!!! Can't believe this!!! I'm from Idaho where neo-Nazi's are free and cheap. We passed a couple of laws and they ran with tails tucked. LOL, what horrible beast is replaceing the Nazi's these days...oh yeah, the "liberal" media...LOL LOL LOL

How exactly can a Neo-Nazi be "free and cheap"?

 

[Bonesdad]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: renierh
jesus christ! you people scare the hell out of me!

i thought americans nowadays left this paranoid stuff behind them. it's stuff like this that makes me very gratefull to live in a country were a gun is something for policemen and criminals.

apart from the fact that it's just plain dangerous, i just can't comprehend how you're country thinks it will be safer by having MORE guns around. a gun is meant to kill people. a gun that is not made, not sold or used will not kill. a lot of the guns that are made, sold and used WILL kill.

therefore, having more guns around, wil result in more victims. does the fact that civilians don't carry guns over here make us more vulnerable to criminals? maybe, but at least we don't have to worry about shooting eachother in the head by accident or over a small argument.and if you look at the numbers on death by guns, be it intentional or accident, i think we have the better end of the deal over here.

So in your country the criminals get the guns but the law abiding citizens do not?? watch bowling for columbine, pretty easily disproves your theory that having more guns around leads to more violence, instead the media is to blame and the constant idea of fear...

What if NOBODY got the guns, at least without finding out if the ARE criminals? Honestly, I don't know anyone who is "anti gun", I hunt with a group of buddies who all think the NRA leadership is filled with crackpots. Why is it so dangerous to try to keep guns out of criminal hands simply by finding out if they are/were criminals?

 

[TravisT]

Australia has already banned guns... their crime rate also increased drastically and now it is up there among the worst countries as far as crime goes.

What's the point of taking guns away? To take them away from the criminals? hah! Your merely disarming the respectful and kind citizen who wants to protect his home not the murderers and theives of the country.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Bonesdad
What if NOBODY got the guns, at least without finding out if the ARE criminals? Honestly, I don't know anyone who is "anti gun", I hunt with a group of buddies who all think the NRA leadership is filled with crackpots. Why is it so dangerous to try to keep guns out of criminal hands simply by finding out if they are/were criminals?

Like this?

If you think you dont know anyone who is anti-gun, take a look at Kerry's Senate voting record. It is very close to Feinstein and Ted Kennedy.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: TravisT
Australia has already banned guns... their crime rate also increased drastically and now it is up there among the worst countries as far as crime goes.

What's the point of taking guns away? To take them away from the criminals? hah! Your merely disarming the respectful and kind citizen who wants to protect his home not the murderers and theives of the country.

Australia also has a pretty nasty Outlaw Biker Gang problem too. Make Mad Max look docile