Is Microsoft playing a dangeous game of chicken with the internet? (XP)

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Ketchup

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Turn Windows into a subscription model already. I'm getting tired of paying $200 or so every time for at least 2 OEM copies. Make a flat fee of $100 a year for a few licences (say 3-5) and chuck in Office 365 for good measure....

I wouldn't be surprised if Office 365 and Windows 8.1 are somewhat of a test for doing this. I have no idea how they would price it, but the idea isn't that bad. I do foresee some hurdles with that plan, such as PC manufacturers. Maybe they do an annual price, with a limit on years for a particular type of license.
 

VirtualLarry

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I wouldn't be surprised if Office 365 and Windows 8.1 are somewhat of a test for doing this. I have no idea how they would price it, but the idea isn't that bad. I do foresee some hurdles with that plan, such as PC manufacturers. Maybe they do an annual price, with a limit on years for a particular type of license.

I'm not sure how well that would go over with customers of OEM PCs. I can see them complaining, "I paid for this PC, it's mine. What do you mean I have to pay every year to use it??"
 

lakedude

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If you want to run XP past the expiration date, you could migrate to Windows XP x64 which will be supported until January 2016.
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I remember trying x64 XP years ago, and I recall having some problems with drivers. I don't remember when it was nor do I recall what service pack I was on (if any), so maybe the got their problems straightened out by now.
Yeah 64 bit XP was terrible. I think the reason is that it was 64 bit only with no support for any 32 bit apps so it was like a whole different universe. Like you I had no luck with drivers, etc. Terrible!

I believe W7 supports both 32 and 64 bit apps at the same time.

EDIT: Well I just looked it up and Wiki says 64 bit XP does support 32 bit apps after all. Don't remember except it didn't work so good for me...
 
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WilliamM2

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In my mind, they should continue what they are doing: continue supporting XP for a fee, just possibly making it more widely known that they do, and the "problem" should rectify itself. I don't see a company continuing to work to support an OS that has 18% of 25% of their business for nothing.

That chart shows revenue from June 2012 to June 2013. There was no XP revenue in that period, it's not part of the 25%.
 

escrow4

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I'm not sure how well that would go over with customers of OEM PCs. I can see them complaining, "I paid for this PC, it's mine. What do you mean I have to pay every year to use it??"

They'll learn eventually you paid for a licence to use it. That is all. You don't "own" Windows, MS does.
 

VirtualLarry

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They'll learn eventually you paid for a licence to use it. That is all. You don't "own" Windows, MS does.

But, and this may only apply if it came with recovery CDs, you do own a "copy of a lawfully-made copyrighted work". Copyright law does not restrict use of a lawfully-made work.
 

Zodiark1593

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Turn Windows into a subscription model already. I'm getting tired of paying $200 or so every time for at least 2 OEM copies. Make a flat fee of $100 a year for a few licences (say 3-5) and chuck in Office 365 for good measure. And no, $100 a year is not a huge amount, that is what $2 a week? Then you'll always have an up to date OS with all the latest stuff and you won't have to worry about a zombie OS that just won't die.
While I love PC gaming, I'd jump ship to Linux Mint in a heartbeat if Microsoft forces everyone on Windows into a subscription model.

Paying just to get into my own computer, not sure what funny stuff you've been smoking lately.

Now, there is some critical software out there that runs on Win XP, at my company, such a computer runs a rather expensive (read: multi-million dollar) machine. Since it is not connected to the internet though, I very much doubt lack of security updates would be an issue in the slightest. My parents do have an Athlon XP desktop still on XP, and are not in the position to upgrade soon, but the data that is sensitive (pictures and such) have already been backed up to my own drives, so I'll probably run it till viruses kill it, then look into a lightweight Linux variant when urgency overtakes my laziness. Those long neglected SATA 1 ports finally may come in handy for an SSD.
 
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Maximilian

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Turn Windows into a subscription model already. I'm getting tired of paying $200 or so every time for at least 2 OEM copies. Make a flat fee of $100 a year for a few licences (say 3-5) and chuck in Office 365 for good measure. And no, $100 a year is not a huge amount, that is what $2 a week? Then you'll always have an up to date OS with all the latest stuff and you won't have to worry about a zombie OS that just won't die.

Yuck :thumbsdown:
 

postmortemIA

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Yeah 64 bit XP was terrible. I think the reason is that it was 64 bit only with no support for any 32 bit apps so it was like a whole different universe. Like you I had no luck with drivers, etc. Terrible!

I believe W7 supports both 32 and 64 bit apps at the same time.

EDIT: Well I just looked it up and Wiki says 64 bit XP does support 32 bit apps after all. Don't remember except it didn't work so good for me...

Drivers have to be 64 bit. But wibdows 7 drivers wouldn't work. 32 bit apps generally work same way as on 64 bit windows 7, on top of compatibility layer.
Since it was first Gen 64 windows, there were more problems.
 

tamm

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Windows would never make 8.2 (or whatever the next version is called) into a subscription service, too many capable OSes out there that are free and replicate the functions of Windows.

Now never say never, but I don`t see a business case for that in the consumer side. On the business and education side whole different story. There is money to be made.
 
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escrow4

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While I love PC gaming, I'd jump ship to Linux Mint in a heartbeat if Microsoft forces everyone on Windows into a subscription model.

Paying just to get into my own computer, not sure what funny stuff you've been smoking lately.

Now, there is some critical software out there that runs on Win XP, at my company, such a computer runs a rather expensive (read: multi-million dollar) machine. Since it is not connected to the internet though, I very much doubt lack of security updates would be an issue in the slightest. My parents do have an Athlon XP desktop still on XP, and are not in the position to upgrade soon, but the data that is sensitive (pictures and such) have already been backed up to my own drives, so I'll probably run it till viruses kill it, then look into a lightweight Linux variant when urgency overtakes my laziness. Those long neglected SATA 1 ports finally may come in handy for an SSD.

Why? You'll have a rolling release that is always up to date for a tiny $2 or $3 a week. Never have to buy another licence for yet another version of Windows. Never have to worry about reinstalling and updates, you'll always get the latest version. You wouldn't jump ship to a half broken heavily fragmented OS that is constantly changing and still doesn't have proper hardware support.
 

lxskllr

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Why? You'll have a rolling release that is always up to date for a tiny $2 or $3 a week. Never have to buy another licence for yet another version of Windows. Never have to worry about reinstalling and updates, you'll always get the latest version. You wouldn't jump ship to a half broken heavily fragmented OS that is constantly changing and still doesn't have proper hardware support.

A tiny $2 or $3 per week, with government and corporate backdoors at no extra charge :^D

Yea, no...
 

Cerb

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Why? You'll have a rolling release that is always up to date for a tiny $2 or $3 a week. Never have to buy another licence for yet another version of Windows. Never have to worry about reinstalling and updates, you'll always get the latest version. You wouldn't jump ship to a half broken heavily fragmented OS that is constantly changing and still doesn't have proper hardware support.
As opposed to a constantly change OS that also doesn't have proper hardware support? Having to rely on vendors, often 3rd-party, v. community support (which can include those vendors), is not a plus. It can be quite the negative, when you're stuck having to re-install software every time you plug a device in, after applying digital singing override, and running your computer in test mode.

Microsoft would have to make some major user-centered policy changes, before that would be a net improvement, plus they would need to guarantee long-term API behaviors. We're in this boat entirely because newer Windows breaks old software. Doesn't matter how it did it, or why. To make a constant-newest-version model work, they would need to guarantee that wouldn't happen, and/or provide workarounds, that don't include downgrading, for every case where it is unavoidable.
 

StinkyPinky

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Win XP only supports 4 gigs of ram as well, unless you wanted to use that god awful 64 bit version. I noticed a few people here saying they would still use XP if it had DX11....well...no you wouldn't. Not unless you want to game with no ram since you video cards v-ram would take half of it.
 

Cerb

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No to mention that ~3GB is barely adequate for office/web use, today, and that DX10 and newer require a new driver model. While MS will arbitrarily decide to cut support for some WDDM-using OS at some point, with a new DX, based on past history, that is a feature that truly did require a major reworking of parts of the OS, rather than say, the arbitrary IE can-you-upgrade-or-not decisions.

I fully understand not liking 8 (I don't, for one ), but if those people used a modern computer with 7 or 8.1 for awhile, I don't see how they could go back, and be content with that. The improvements far outweigh the regressions, compared to XP.
 

tamm

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Why? You'll have a rolling release that is always up to date for a tiny $2 or $3 a week. Never have to buy another licence for yet another version of Windows. Never have to worry about reinstalling and updates, you'll always get the latest version. You wouldn't jump ship to a half broken heavily fragmented OS that is constantly changing and still doesn't have proper hardware support.

I don`t want to burst your utopia ideas there but ah what the heck. Rolling updates are great to fix issues that MS detects from either the user base or enterprise ITs directly. However the problem imo isn`t that simple. Many incompatibilities and issues that arise often occur at a hardware level, where a certain piece of hardware is causing a kink in the OS to be exposed. Since most OEMs tend to put in different proprietary hardware into their machines, I doubt even the rolling updates will be able to keep up with every single hardware-related issue from popping up causing end-users to be on the tech-support lines of their OEMs. The idea of having an upto date system is appealing, but one can already get that if they maintain proper update habits. By charging the end user for updates that are already available in previous launches for free, its gonna drive a lot of customers elsewhere. I doubt MS, which is struggling in the markets to maintain long-term profitability and a strong customer base, moving to a subscription based OS development and deployment cycle would negatively impact their bottom line.
 

pmv

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Why? You'll have a rolling release that is always up to date for a tiny $2 or $3 a week. Never have to buy another licence for yet another version of Windows. Never have to worry about reinstalling and updates, you'll always get the latest version. You wouldn't jump ship to a half broken heavily fragmented OS that is constantly changing and still doesn't have proper hardware support.

$2 or $3 a week is not tiny. Windows XP lasted me 7 years, so that's less than $2 a month. Why would I be pleased at having to pay 4 to 6 times as much? What's the benefit there?
 

escrow4

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$2 or $3 a week is not tiny. Windows XP lasted me 7 years, so that's less than $2 a month. Why would I be pleased at having to pay 4 to 6 times as much? What's the benefit there?

Re-read the post. And really, $2 or $3? That is irrelevant. A train ticket over here in Sydney is $3.60 for a basic one way city trip.
 

VirtualLarry

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$2 - $3 / week? Per PC? F that! That would def push me to move to Linux. I bought an Ubuntu netbook recently, and I've been using it as my daily-driver for the past month. I like it.
 

bruceb

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I agree, $2 to $3 per week is insane. Add it up and it comes to $104 to $165 per year. No Thank You .. not needed.
 

Insert_Nickname

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Win XP only supports 4 gigs of ram as well, unless you wanted to use that god awful 64 bit version. I noticed a few people here saying they would still use XP if it had DX11....well...no you wouldn't. Not unless you want to game with no ram since you video cards v-ram would take half of it.

I'm actually wondering what would happen if you try and install XP on new cards with 4GB VRAM. Anyone tried...?
 

pmv

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A train ticket over here in Sydney is $3.60 for a basic one way city trip.

That's why I have a bike! Haven't paid public transport fares for years. Quicker, more pleasant, and more reliable as well. This might be a trifle off-topic though.

Back on-topic, its true that the memory limitations of XP are probably sufficient reason to mean its had its day, though.
 
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