is OWS more violent than the TPM?

[BlahBlahYouToo]

i didn't follow the tea party movement as much and I just started tuning into some OWS news and am reading about violence, rapes, vandalism, etc.

is this because there are more numbers participating in OWS? is it an angrier crowd?
is the TP full of older folks incapable of violence?

what's the difference?

 

[shabby]

is the TP full of older folks incapable of violence?

Bingo... old farts + expensive health insurance = wimpy protesters

 

[MomentsofSanity]

i didn't follow the tea party movement as much and I just started tuning into some OWS news and am reading about violence, rapes, vandalism, etc.

is this because there are more numbers participating in OWS? is it an angrier crowd?
is the TP full of older folks incapable of violence?

what's the difference?

Tea Party - occupying space for a few hours at a time.

OWS - occupying space for weeks at a time.

The longer they are there, the greater the odds unfortunate things may happen. Add to that no entities were trying to forcibly prevent the Tea Party rallies. Im actually shocked at what lengths local governments have gone to stilfe the right of assembly in the last several years.

And there were examples of violence at Tea Party rallies as well but the size and scope of those gatherings were much smaller.

It's actually quite silly to compare the two groups. Not meant as a shot at you. Just in general to the constant attempts to compare the two as though they somehow parallel.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Add to that no entities were trying to forcibly prevent the Tea Party rallies.

good points.
it just seems to me that TPM was more peaceful, and organized. i think i just answered my own question.
there was more leadership.

 

[UberNeuman]

good points.
it just seems to me that TPM was more peaceful, and organized. i think i just answered my own question.
there was more leadership.

Leadership? nah - it's more about a group of people venting and not willing to stand up for their overheated rhetoric...

\because the entire time the Tea Baggers knew they were full of..... something, something.....

 

[Patranus]

The Tea Party was made up of adults.
The OWS movement is generally made up of children who don't understand what it means to grow up.

 

[etrigan420]

The Tea Party was made up of adults.
The OWS movement is generally made up of children who don't understand what it means to grow up.

Yeah, that *must* be it.

 

[Patranus]

Yeah, that *must* be it.

All you have to do is look at them and listen to what they are saying.
There is this segment of the current generation that had everything handed to them by their parents and they are now realizing that life is hard and it takes hard work to be successful. Instead of putting in that hard work they would rather camp out in a park and throw a temper tantrum like a bunch of 2-year-olds because that is what use to work when mommy took them to the toy store and said they could only have 1 toy but they wanted 2.

 

[Throckmorton]

All you have to do is look at them and listen to what they are saying.
There is this segment of the current generation that had everything handed to them by their parents and they are now realizing that life is hard and it takes hard work to be successful. Instead of putting in that hard work they would rather camp out in a park and throw a temper tantrum like a bunch of 2-year-olds because that is what use to work when mommy took them to the toy store and said they could only have 1 toy but they wanted 2.

Is this what Rush Limbaugh told you?

 

[wuliheron]

i didn't follow the tea party movement as much and I just started tuning into some OWS news and am reading about violence, rapes, vandalism, etc.

is this because there are more numbers participating in OWS? is it an angrier crowd?
is the TP full of older folks incapable of violence?

what's the difference?

Do you see any cops shooting rubber bullets and tear gas at the tea party? Spraying mace into the faces of people sitting quietly on the ground? Arresting people for trying to close their bank accounts?

 

[UberNeuman]

Do you see any cops shooting rubber bullets and tear gas at the tea party?

Did the Tea Party go to Wall Street?

they didn't.... they know where their bread is buttered....

\after all the something, something and whining about TARP.....

 

[Genny]

It's really a very mixed bag. Just like there's a movement in the TP that simply doesn't like having a black president, there's bums in the OWS crowd. However, I'd argue the majority of OWS are college educated young people that were told their entire lives they MUST go to college and so they did. The rhetoric for the last twenty five years has been that it doesn't matter what you major in, just go to college and you will get a job. Upon graduating and holding 100k in student loan debt, they're met with an economy absolutely destroyed by the boomers. Additionally, the government is spending trillions of dollars bailing out corporations to provide 'contractual' hundred million dollar bonuses to executives, further compounding the problem.

If I were in such a situation, I would be rather unhappy myself.

Personally, I feel all of the boomers that go on television whining about the real estate bubble are laughable--it was obvious to anyone with a lick of sense. They still haven't allowed real estate to fully crash and it certainly needs to. The education bubble is far worse, imho. Besides, the irony of a bunch of geezers telling the college educated to 'grow up', but yet still want government assistance to prevent their house from going into foreclosure and their medicare from drying up is atrocious.

 

[Kadarin]

The mainstream media wishes to portray OWS in as bad a light as possible because mainstream media is essentially corporate owned and OWS is more or less anti-corporate. The TP on the other hand is a manufactured "movement" in much the same way that Justin Bieber is a manufactured pop star.

 

[cubby1223]

Show me where the Tea Party Movement was violent.

Yes I know that some people shouted while remaining seated at town hall meetings, and for that were called by the nightly opinion heads at MSNBC to be violent radical extremists for shouting while remaining seated.

But other than that, where was the violence?

 

[UberNeuman]

Show me where the Tea Party Movement was violent.

Intellectual dishonesty is not an excuse....

 

[wuliheron]

Did the Tea Party go to Wall Street?

they didn't.... they know where their bread is buttered....

\after all the something, something and whining about TARP.....

Most of them wouldn't know their own ass from a hole in the ground, but they can definitely find their wallet.

 

[cubby1223]

Intellectual dishonesty is not an excuse....

Says the guy who has nothing to show?

 

[OrByte]

Tea party movement was too carefully orchestrated... it was not grass roots.

OWS on the other hand...they let anyone and their gramma out there protesting in the street

I think its safe to say that the 99% does include the crazies and the violent radicals.

 

[UberNeuman]

Says the guy who has nothing to show?

I can't show what's already there..... it'll be too obvious...

\like you walk into a crowded room with your fly open... you don't see it.... so many can....

 

[umbrella39]

The Tea Party was made up of adults.
The OWS movement is generally made up of children who don't understand what it means to grow up.

I had no idea you were part of the OWS movement!

 

[MagickMan]

All you have to do is look at them and listen to what they are saying.
There is this segment of the current generation that had everything handed to them by their parents and they are now realizing that life is hard and it takes hard work to be successful. Instead of putting in that hard work they would rather camp out in a park and throw a temper tantrum like a bunch of 2-year-olds because that is what use to work when mommy took them to the toy store and said they could only have 1 toy but they wanted 2.

Sadly, that does seem to be the case, and it's the main reason they aren't getting much traction. Too many people now think they're nothing but whiny assholes, so whatever they do now won't cause the changes they seek. They've really screwed themselves.

 

[Craig234]

There's no comparison between the two. The Team Party isn't a 'protest' in anything resembling OWS, it's just a slight political group largely directed by Fox and the Kochs.

They ride a Koch bus to see speeches by the opportunistic demagogues like Sarah Palin; big deal.

They have had some impact by pushing the far-right Republican party further to the right, causing even more damage to the country. How useful.

Who was more violent, the OWS movement or the American revolution? The real 'tea party' that did $1 million in criminal property damage or the phony one today?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Do you see any cops shooting rubber bullets and tear gas at the tea party? Spraying mace into the faces of people sitting quietly on the ground? Arresting people for trying to close their bank accounts?

the video clips i saw were random, unprovoked acts of vandalism and aggression.
smashing windows, spraying graffiti, public urination, etc.

 

[Double Trouble]

Do you see any cops shooting rubber bullets and tear gas at the tea party? Spraying mace into the faces of people sitting quietly on the ground? Arresting people for trying to close their bank accounts?

That's a bunch of bullshit. Nobody got arrested for trying to close their account, they got arrested for going into a lobby of a bank, being unruly and not leaving when asked to do so. When people break the law, there are consequences.

The Tea Party folks were on average just older and more mature, the OWS crowd is a broad mix of groups, some of which are just stupid angry people. Most are regular folks frustrated with the situation, but there's a significant portion that is simply anti-American, anti-establishment, anti-authority who think they are entitled to everything.

 

[Double Trouble]

In answer to the OP: I think the answer is "yes". They are different groups, different in their composition and motivation. The tea party never blocked harbors or prevented normal people from doing their jobs. They never occupied public property for weeks on end.