is OWS more violent than the TPM?

[the DRIZZLE]

It's really a very mixed bag. Just like there's a movement in the TP that simply doesn't like having a black president, there's bums in the OWS crowd. However, I'd argue the majority of OWS are college educated young people that were told their entire lives they MUST go to college and so they did. The rhetoric for the last twenty five years has been that it doesn't matter what you major in, just go to college and you will get a job. Upon graduating and holding 100k in student loan debt, they're met with an economy absolutely destroyed by the boomers. Additionally, the government is spending trillions of dollars bailing out corporations to provide 'contractual' hundred million dollar bonuses to executives, further compounding the problem.

If I were in such a situation, I would be rather unhappy myself.

Personally, I feel all of the boomers that go on television whining about the real estate bubble are laughable--it was obvious to anyone with a lick of sense. They still haven't allowed real estate to fully crash and it certainly needs to. The education bubble is far worse, imho. Besides, the irony of a bunch of geezers telling the college educated to 'grow up', but yet still want government assistance to prevent their house from going into foreclosure and their medicare from drying up is atrocious.

IMO the biggest flaw in the "we were mislead into taking out 100k in student loans" argument is that no one told them to go to an expensive school. With the exception of the last 3 years it was relatively easy to predict your salary upon graduation and you could determine if a given school was a good investment with a few minutes of analysis.

Cheap instate schools or the top private schools were good investments unless you graduated in the last three years or in a completely worthless major. People act like they were mislead into going to a 40k per year mid ranked private school in a crap major. Even ex-ante that was a terrible choice and many of their peers recognized it as such and didn't go down that road.

 

[Howard]

Poor people tend to be more violent?

 

[monovillage]

The OWS movement is much more violent and criminal then the Tea Party movement is, it's also more violent among themselves. Did any of you see footage of OWS at the Washington Convention Center where the mother pushed a wagon with 2 kids in it in front of a door, hoping to see her kids injured for *Occupy* public relations? What a coup if they could get footage of kids injured in a protest, even better then a marine.

 

[wuliheron]

That's a bunch of bullshit. Nobody got arrested for trying to close their account, they got arrested for going into a lobby of a bank, being unruly and not leaving when asked to do so. When people break the law, there are consequences.

The Tea Party folks were on average just older and more mature, the OWS crowd is a broad mix of groups, some of which are just stupid angry people. Most are regular folks frustrated with the situation, but there's a significant portion that is simply anti-American, anti-establishment, anti-authority who think they are entitled to everything.

That bank has a million cameras and not a single video shows the protesters getting unruly. The same with all the other times the cops have claimed OWS was violent. The cops arrested anyone with a camera, refused to video anything themselves, and expect everyone else to take their word for it. What little video we do have shows one cop throwing a flash bang into a group of people trying to help the wounded vet who got a fractured skull and cops pepper spraying people for no reason at all who are either sitting on the ground peacefully or behind fences.

The tea party is just another big business front that supports these kinds of actions. It wouldn't pay to get their own hands dirty.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

That bank has a million cameras and not a single video shows the protesters getting unruly. The same with all the other times the cops have claimed OWS was violent. The cops arrested anyone with a camera, refused to video anything themselves, and expect everyone else to take their word for it. What little video we do have shows one cop throwing a flash bang into a group of people trying to help the wounded vet who got a fractured skull and cops pepper spraying people for no reason at all who are either sitting on the ground peacefully or behind fences.

The tea party is just another big business front that supports these kinds of actions. It wouldn't pay to get their own hands dirty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqYM_fNsndA&feature=youtu.be&t=1m11s

is this the definition of "unruly"?

 

[jstern01]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqYM_fNsndA&feature=youtu.be&t=1m11s

is this the definition of "unruly"?

You can not conclude from that video, that it was anybody associated with OWS. In fact it is just as likely someone planted in the OWS march to make the march look bad.

 

[wuliheron]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqYM_fNsndA&feature=youtu.be&t=1m11s

is this the definition of "unruly"?

Its called "retribution". You know, as in an eye for an eye. The cops raided their camp, trashed everything, then shot them with tear gas and rubber bullets for marching down the street giving one guy a fractured skull. A few broken windows is the least they deserved and if they keep this up it will be least of their worries.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Its called "retribution". You know, as in an eye for an eye. The cops raided their camp, trashed everything, then shot them with tear gas and rubber bullets for marching down the street giving one guy a fractured skull. A few broken windows is the least they deserved and if they keep this up it will be least of their worries.

so what you're saying is.... if the cops shoot rubber bullets at me, I can go to your house and smash all your windows?
makes sense now that i've put more thought into it.

 

[*kjm]

Tea party movement was too carefully orchestrated... it was not grass roots.

That is just total fail:\

 

[*kjm]

You can not conclude from that video, that it was anybody associated with OWS. In fact it is just as likely someone planted in the OWS march to make the march look bad.

Right:whiste:

But from what I saw from 6:30 on no one held/stoped anyone for arrest... but I did see a bunch chearing them on:whiste::whiste::whiste::whiste:

 

[MagickMan]

You can not conclude from that video, that it was anybody associated with OWS. In fact it is just as likely someone planted in the OWS march to make the march look bad.

Riiii-iiii-iiiiight. :hmm:

 

[dmcowen674]

The mainstream media wishes to portray OWS in as bad a light as possible because mainstream media is essentially corporate owned and OWS is more or less anti-corporate. The TP on the other hand is a manufactured "movement" in much the same way that Justin Bieber is a manufactured pop star.

This

 

[jstern01]

Riiii-iiii-iiiiight. :hmm:

Bunch of people with faces covered, who is the one in fantasy land... More likely they were the cops and their kids helping out, if you wish to go down that lane.

 

[airdata]

I'm amazed at the number of people who refuse to acknowledge all of the problems w\ the current system. From the fraud and lies, to kicking our country into a depression.. you'd think more people would give a damn.

I guess as long as Patranus has some 1,000's of dollars in his bank account, he doesn't care if they're worth 1c or not.

 

[airdata]

Or are we talking about violence in the sense of police assaulting protesters?

 

[wuliheron]

so what you're saying is.... if the cops shoot rubber bullets at me, I can go to your house and smash all your windows?
makes sense now that i've put more thought into it.

I'm saying they targeted banks in particular for paying the cops and mayors bribes to shoot rubber bullets at them. The pigs are just paid mercenaries. The banks better be prepared to start looking like bomb shelters if they keep insisting on attacking peaceful protesters.

 

[monovillage]

Or are we talking about violence in the sense of police assaulting protesters?

You should look at the footage from the Washington Convention Center, watching the protesters trying to set up martyrs was pretty scary.

 

[wuliheron]

You should look at the footage from the Washington Convention Center, watching the protesters trying to set up martyrs was pretty scary.

Scarier then having your constitutional rights suspended indefinitely? Scarier then the banks being too big to fail and the bankers too big to jail? Scarier then cops pepper spraying peaceful protesters while they sit on the ground? In case you haven't noticed its been no holds barred for years now.

 

[MagickMan]

Bunch of people with faces covered, who is the one in fantasy land... More likely they were the cops and their kids helping out, if you wish to go down that lane.

Yep, you're right, you guys aren't being paranoid. Not at all... :whiste:

 

[MagickMan]

I'm saying they targeted banks in particular for paying the cops and mayors bribes to shoot rubber bullets at them. The pigs are just paid mercenaries. The banks better be prepared to start looking like bomb shelters if they keep insisting on attacking peaceful protesters.

Now you're talking like those anarchist dumb shits that are increasing the OWS crowds. At least you're now letting your true colors shine through.

 

[monovillage]

Scarier then having your constitutional rights suspended indefinitely? Scarier then the banks being too big to fail and the bankers too big to jail? Scarier then cops pepper spraying peaceful protesters while they sit on the ground? In case you haven't noticed its been no holds barred for years now.

You obviously haven't watched it, 3 protesters "got hit" by a car by running and jumping in front of it. The woman that put her little kids in a wagon and then placed it in front of a door that the protesters we trying to push into went far beyond your pretend outrages.

 

[Nebor]

I'm amazed at the number of people who refuse to acknowledge all of the problems w\ the current system. From the fraud and lies, to kicking our country into a depression.. you'd think more people would give a damn.

I guess as long as Patranus has some 1,000's of dollars in his bank account, he doesn't care if they're worth 1c or not.

Most Americans are satisfied with the status quo. Otherwise you'd see more people getting politically active.

 

[Darwin333]

They never occupied public property for weeks on end.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."



I do not see anything about a time limit (or the need to ask "permission" but that is another discussion).

 

[wuliheron]

Now you're talking like those anarchist dumb shits that are increasing the OWS crowds. At least you're now letting your true colors shine through.

My true colors are red, white, and blue fool. "Every generation needs a new revolution." Thomas Jefferson

OWS is right to start out with trying to create a peaceful protest movement, but with so much public support behind them if it doesn't lead to results and the pigs keep fighting dirty it could turn ugly fast and I'll be cheering them on.

 

[Craig234]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I do not see anything about a time limit (or the need to ask "permission" but that is another discussion).

How long until Scalia interprets that to read "Congress shall make no law respecting... the right of the people peaceably to assemble"?

More seriously, as absolutely as that right is worded, the Supreme Court has created exemptions to it, which are largely viewed as a good idea.

Though most are based on punishing 'bad speech', not prior restraint.