is OWS more violent than the TPM?

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monovillage

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well, whenever teabaggers get charged with racism and violence due to certain actions at their rallies, the defense is always, "these were isolated instigators!"

whenever that happens with OWS, the nutbangers and teabaggers never consider that same defense. wonder why?

are they concerned that this movement not only dwarfs theirs within this country, but it also an international movement?

:hmm:

I was hoping for some actual proof, at least links or photos or something. This thread is well provided with actual evidence about *Occupy*. Perhaps you could try again to link violence with the tea party.
 

FerrelGeek

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All you have to do is look at them and listen to what they are saying.
There is this segment of the current generation that had everything handed to them by their parents and they are now realizing that life is hard and it takes hard work to be successful. Instead of putting in that hard work they would rather camp out in a park and throw a temper tantrum like a bunch of 2-year-olds because that is what use to work when mommy took them to the toy store and said they could only have 1 toy but they wanted 2.

Is this what Rush Limbaugh told you?

Typical libertroll answer to a valid observation. The OWS crowd n NYC is a disgusting. Barging into stores / restaurants with bags of their filth, demanding that people feed them, scaring small business owners, forcing them to close early and hire security. They're so stupid that they're not even protesting the right people. They're just a mob of useful idiots.
 

zinfamous

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I was hoping for some actual proof, at least links or photos or something. This thread is well provided with actual evidence about *Occupy*. Perhaps you could try again to link violence with the tea party.

Having trouble finding acts of property destruction and vandalism, but a whole lot of death threats, actual attempts on people's lives, and more promises of "justice by gun."

different sort of "violence," I guess. :\

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5pdwTQ4xA8

http://www.azcentral.com/community/...e-giffords-arizona-shooting-resignations.html

http://act.boldprogressives.org/sign/statement_teapartyviolence/


Hell, I had one geriatric teabagger slow down in his car and yell at me b/c I crossed the street the other day. lol.
 

monovillage

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Having trouble finding acts of property destruction and vandalism, but a whole lot of death threats, actual attempts on people's lives, and more promises of "justice by gun."

different sort of "violence," I guess. :\

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5pdwTQ4xA8

http://www.azcentral.com/community/...e-giffords-arizona-shooting-resignations.html

http://act.boldprogressives.org/sign/statement_teapartyviolence/


Hell, I had one geriatric teabagger slow down in his car and yell at me b/c I crossed the street the other day. lol.

What a clown, your "evidence" of Tea Party violence (the topic of this thread btw) is 3 cases of people with absolutely no connection to the Tea Party? No connection. None. Liar. Even your cute lil' story about being yelled at, how did you know they were a tea party member?
 

FerrelGeek

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Just like the guy responsible for the AZ shootings was supposed to be tied to the tea party and 'uncivil' speach.
 

zinfamous

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What a clown, your "evidence" of Tea Party violence (the topic of this thread btw) is 3 cases of people with absolutely no connection to the Tea Party? No connection. None. Liar. Even your cute lil' story about being yelled at, how did you know they were a tea party member?

there you go.

so, what then about the people that show up for OWS rallies and marches and instigate shit, even though they aren't part of the movement?

guilt by association is a hell of a thing, and you are no less guilty of such foolishness.


oh, and as for the angry old man that yelled at me: He was old, he was clearly angry that I was reading while walking (not while crossing the street mind you).

Old, angry over literacy, senile and rage-filled. Yep, sure Teabagger.
 
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csteggo

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I guess one could compare the relative size and demographics of the different movements. Then consider that the Tea Party was more organized. OWS while trying to police themselves and reduce such incidents without a centralized leadership would be difficult. As for them being people who want something given to them for free is a bit disingenuous. I am under the impression what they actually want is an even playing field. In my mind that they were able to change the overall message coming out of Washington from the deficit to one of Job Creation has been an amazing thing.
 

zinfamous

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I guess one could compare the relative size and demographics of the different movements. Then consider that the Tea Party was more organized. OWS while trying to police themselves and reduce such incidents without a centralized leadership would be difficult. As for them being people who want something given to them for free is a bit disingenuous. I am under the impression what they actually want is an even playing field. In my mind that they were able to change the overall message coming out of Washington from the deficit to one of Job Creation has been an amazing thing.

basically.

what Teabaggers fail to realize is that they are an extreme minority in this country, exclusively tied to one, rather extreme side of a much larger political party.

The people that support OWS are far, far greater in number, are actually represented in most of the major countries of the world right now, and are composed of rather equal portions of "leftists" as they are "the right."

Teabaggers don't really understand these things...because they are illiterate. Or maybe just old and senile. either way.
 

FerrelGeek

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there you go.

so, what then about the people that show up for OWS rallies and marches and instigate shit, even though they aren't part of the movement?

guilt by association is a hell of a thing, and you are no less guilty of such foolishness.


oh, and as for the angry old man that yelled at me: He was old, he was clearly angry that I was reading while walking (not while crossing the street mind you).

Old, angry over literacy, senile and rage-filled. Yep, sure Teabagger.

Making ignorant, predjudicial statements? Typical libertroll.
 

hal2kilo

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I guess one could compare the relative size and demographics of the different movements. Then consider that the Tea Party was more organized. OWS while trying to police themselves and reduce such incidents without a centralized leadership would be difficult. As for them being people who want something given to them for free is a bit disingenuous. I am under the impression what they actually want is an even playing field. In my mind that they were able to change the overall message coming out of Washington from the deficit to one of Job Creation has been an amazing thing.

Authoritarians are usually well mannered.
 
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Do you see any cops shooting rubber bullets and tear gas at the tea party? Spraying mace into the faces of people sitting quietly on the ground? Arresting people for trying to close their bank accounts?

No, because the Tea Party acted responsibly. They didn't defy commands given by police. They got permits to be in places to protest, IE following city ordinances and laws. The Occupy people by definition and admission are breaking the law.
But don't let your partisan hackery get in the way of facts.
No one in the Tea Party movement blocked entrances to businesses. No one in the Tea Party Assaulted old women. No one in the Tea Party left bags of human waste at the doors of banks.
Tea Party events were held as 1 or 2 day rallies and they got their point across. Occupiers are not rallying or doing anything other than wasting time and effort because they are to lazy to work and earn a living. They want it given to them. Frankly, every person at the Occupy protests could die and society wouldn't notice, other than the financial drain being lifted from entitlement programs.
 
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I guess one could compare the relative size and demographics of the different movements. Then consider that the Tea Party was more organized. OWS while trying to police themselves and reduce such incidents without a centralized leadership would be difficult. As for them being people who want something given to them for free is a bit disingenuous. I am under the impression what they actually want is an even playing field. In my mind that they were able to change the overall message coming out of Washington from the deficit to one of Job Creation has been an amazing thing.

How is it disingenuous? They want something for nothing is absolutely correct. Everyone has the chance and opportunity to succeed. IF you say otherwise you're a damned liar.
Or are you going to say Obama was some how selected from birth and pulled out of society until his adult life with his jobs/political appointments already set up for him?
No longer can the ruse of we don't get a fair chance, be used to excuse your failures. Your failures are because of poor decision making and poor life management skills. If your parents misled you into thinking life would be easy and you'd get it your way when you grew up, that's their fault, and they should rectify that. Not the rest of society.
 

monovillage

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is OWS more violent than the TPM?

Is this a rhetorical question?

It has kind of stunned me also, the answer from just about everyone should be "YES" and after a handful of postings the thread would be dead. I'm not sure if they're trying to claim that OWS is totally non-violent contrary to a large amount of evidence or that the Tea Party was totally violent despite a total lack of evidence.
 

zinfamous

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No, because the Tea Party acted responsibly. They didn't defy commands given by police. They got permits to be in places to protest, IE following city ordinances and laws. The Occupy people by definition and admission are breaking the law.
But don't let your partisan hackery get in the way of facts.
No one in the Tea Party movement blocked entrances to businesses. No one in the Tea Party Assaulted old women. No one in the Tea Party left bags of human waste at the doors of banks.
Tea Party events were held as 1 or 2 day rallies and they got their point across. Occupiers are not rallying or doing anything other than wasting time and effort because they are to lazy to work and earn a living. They want it given to them. Frankly, every person at the Occupy protests could die and society wouldn't notice, other than the financial drain being lifted from entitlement programs.

Well, they aren't breaking any kind of laws and permits by camping out in Zuccoti park, due to the unusual private/public ownership of that park.

This is why it is able to continue as long as it has.
 

Ninjahedge

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JL, it is easy to obey the law when the law (or, rather, the rules) are not written against you.

Example: The protests at the Republican National Convention. Siting "Security Reasons" protesters were kept a good half mile away from the convention center.

But yet a Tea Party activist is allowed to bring an "unloaded" M16 to a presidential speech??!?

http://www.thegrio.com/top-stories/black-man-with-assault-rifle-at-obama-speech.php

When the table is leveled, then maybe we can start making more comparisons.
 

Nebor

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JL, it is easy to obey the law when the law (or, rather, the rules) are not written against you.

Example: The protests at the Republican National Convention. Siting "Security Reasons" protesters were kept a good half mile away from the convention center.

But yet a Tea Party activist is allowed to bring an "unloaded" M16 to a presidential speech??!?

http://www.thegrio.com/top-stories/black-man-with-assault-rifle-at-obama-speech.php

When the table is leveled, then maybe we can start making more comparisons.

This post just doesn't make a lot of sense. You didn't tie your point together at the end.
 

spidey07

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JL, it is easy to obey the law when the law (or, rather, the rules) are not written against you.

Example: The protests at the Republican National Convention. Siting "Security Reasons" protesters were kept a good half mile away from the convention center.

But yet a Tea Party activist is allowed to bring an "unloaded" M16 to a presidential speech??!?

http://www.thegrio.com/top-stories/black-man-with-assault-rifle-at-obama-speech.php

When the table is leveled, then maybe we can start making more comparisons.

That's an AR-15, not a M16 (look at the stock). That means it's not an assault rifle, selective fire, automatic or 3 round burst. Just straight semi-auto like most all guns.

This is about the 10th time you've made this mistake, time to call you out on it.
 
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Ninjahedge

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This post just doesn't make a lot of sense. You didn't tie your point together at the end.

It is easy to be more disgruntled when you are treated as a threat from the beginning.


TP wasn't. They went almost as far as what would be considered terroristic (the man with the gun), but nobody bothered them.

100 people are in a park, for MONTHS, have their generators taken because they are not allowed (but nobody states a law, or an impound yard , or gives receipts).


So comparing their reactions to different stimuli is not fair when even the stimuli is different.



And then there is Oakland..
 
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