de·fec·tive/diˈfektiv/Adjective
1. Imperfect or faulty.
imperfect not that it doesnt flat out work.. not trying to argue we all have diff opinions right? or is only one persons opinion right?
i dunno i agree with bryanl, defective doesnt mean doesnt work flat out just means it doesnt work as it was designed. i have no idea what the ram was designed for but i do know that patriot isnt the best brand =P me personally i would buy ram that is 5% faster for a few bux more sure 5% isnt much but come on now you goign to upgrade other parts anyway not like you are on a 5$ budget and a computer nut.
de·fec·tive/diˈfektiv/Adjective
1. Imperfect or faulty.
imperfect not that it doesnt flat out work..
Computer memory either returns perfect information or not. If it returns perfect information, then it is not defective. If it returns imperfect information, then your computer crashes.
This is unlike, say, factory seconds clothing at a discounters or hail damaged cars, where the function of the item is not impinged by the defect.
With computer memory, if there is a defect your computer will not operate properly.
sorry thats not true! ive had defective memory (fails memtest) but runs for years perfect 0 operation failure. Also had ram that would fail memtest at stock volts ((max rated))(what some stock mobo would max at) and on diff enthusiast mobo overvolted would work fine.
Like i said we are all entitled to our opinions right?
Im not saying patriot has done this or anything just saying what id call defective.
ya i would also say that cpu's that dont make the cut and have to have a core DISABLED because they have a bad core (that might need more volts to operate right) a defective cpu.. aint a big deal to me. I will call cpu's that arnt up to spec to be sold as they where made defective sure. what would you call them? effective? =P
No what we're talking about is basically every CPU ever sold from Intel/AMD apart from their highest bins. Most of those don't have any cores disabled, they were just sold with lower specs (eg slower frequency)ya i would also say that cpu's that dont make the cut and have to have a core DISABLED because they have a bad core (that might need more volts to operate right) a defective cpu.. aint a big deal to me. I will call cpu's that arnt up to spec to be sold as they where made defective sure. what would you call them? effective? =P
ya i would also say that cpu's that dont make the cut and have to have a core DISABLED because they have a bad core (that might need more volts to operate right) a defective cpu.. aint a big deal to me. I will call cpu's that arnt up to spec to be sold as they where made defective sure. what would you call them? effective? =P
Hey Killster do you know that, more than likely, all your software your using is probably defective? More than likely there is a bug or two in the operating system and application software that you use. Better format your hard drive. You wouldn't wanna be seen using 'defective' software now would you?
At the rated memory clock and all other rated timings, of course.1.65V @ what memory clock?
This argument is moot without knowing memory clock.
Because roughly most memory is all same things.. and to get the higher speed, they just push more voltage, which is why they are 1.65V.
I've clearly referred to RAM chips found defective by their manufacturers, and you still haven't proved that any chip manufacturer has sold branded DDR3 chips rated above 1.50V. Such chips are deemed acceptable only under much more lax standards.I dont think this thread is related to an opinion of whether or not memory operating at 1.65 volts is defective or not. Its related to the definition and general understanding and use of a common word. The word defective.
Most common people wouldn't classify something as a "defective" product unless they purchased something and it didn't work as expected or didn't work at all. Its the silliest use of the word I have ever encountered in my life. To say that memory operating at a given voltage without error is defective.
As has been stated in 3 or 4 previous posts in this thread, if you wanna use the word defective in such an atypical manner thats fine as long as you are consistent. Then you can also state that all AMD and Intel CPUs that are "binned" for a cheaper SKU are defective CPUs. And I encourage you to use this word, defective, in the context you have in this forum, in all that you do so that you can look as silly as you sound amoungst your peers. Because a given product is not of the highest quality doesn't make it defective. But I guess that is just my understanding of the definition of the word.
noIs Patriot Memory engaging in deceptive advertising tactics?
qft.
qft ii.i dont think this thread is related to an opinion of whether or not memory operating at 1.65 volts is defective or not. Its related to the definition and general understanding and use of a common word. The word defective.
I've clearly referred to RAM chips found defective by their manufacturers, and you still haven't proved that any chip manufacturer has sold branded DDR3 chips rated above 1.50V. Such chips are deemed acceptable only under much more lax standards.