Is pc building a dying trend?

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Zorkorist

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It's already to that point. IT "people" are so lost, that they pay HP, Lenovo, Dell, etc., outrageous prices for proprietary hardware, just for the brand.

These people wouldn't know a RAM from a bull.

-John
 
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Its basically more of a hobby now rather than a trend. Not everybody have time and know how to make a custom pc. Although, its much easier to built one now a days.

Still, the margins between making one yourself and buying a pre built system is not much now a days. People find it much easier to approach dell, hp etc rather than approaching different companies for different components.

Although, its still true that you get more durable, longer warranty and higher/better components in a Custom Pc compared to pre built system.
 

Cerb

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It's already to that point. IT "people" are so lost, that they pay HP, Lenovo, Dell, etc., outrageous prices for proprietary hardware, just for the brand.

These people wouldn't know a RAM from a bull.

-John
No, it's that we need time to think, and BS on tech forums . Custom building and support is a huge time sink, and the total PC cost is lower up front, save for SSDs ($50 cheaper OS, $100-200 cheaper Acrobat, $50-150 cheaper Office...). I fail to see any outrageous prices for anything but internal SSDs, where I sit.
 

Zorkorist

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No, it's that we need time to think, and BS on tech forums . Custom building and support is a huge time sink, and the total PC cost is lower up front, save for SSDs ($50 cheaper OS, $100-200 cheaper Acrobat, $50-150 cheaper Office...). I fail to see any outrageous prices for anything but internal SSDs, where I sit.
It's all proprietary. Never mind it's just a Seagate hard drive. "It's our firmware." You want to replace it, and hope for it to work, you buy our overpriced hard drive.

It's scary, how mean and proprietary these people are (HP, Lenovo, Dell, etc.)

-John
 

MagickMan

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It's about the same, I don't see PC parts availability dwindling substantially any time soon, and I'm going to keep building my own machines for the foreseeable future.
 
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There has been a lowering trend. But i guess that also had to do with the crisis we had the last few years. Before it was just cool to constantly upgrade. Upgrading can be for several reasons, for example more gpu power, or more cpu power or more storage. But less money means less upgrades.
I do see that the internet shops where i buy my parts have come to offer a broader range of (non pc) products. But PC components are still the main line of products to sell.

I personally like to look for quality components and then find the right balance between price and performance.

I hope buying pc parts never goes away, but then again the next console war or the one thereafter will just be a full pc.
I would not be surprised if windows in the future will only be for sale on fixed hardware. Tablets, smartphones, consoles for gaming and consoles for work.
 
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lxskllr

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Ok, I can understand that. So if someone did offer a prebuilt with what you want and zero bloatware, you'd be ok with it, right?

I find it hard to believe a company would sell a prebuilt with an unlocked BIOS that let me tune the cpu and ram the way I want to. If they did, it would be the "pro" line, and we're back to saving money by doing it myself, because it would be overpriced.
 

mikeymikec

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You don't build for price anymore. You build for customization, and fun.

and quality (if that's what you're interested in) - I would trust the big name suppliers to do things like use decent, long-lasting boards or good quality PSUs.
 

John Connor

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Can't beat Gigabyte and their high quality caps and dual BIOS. Can't get that from Dell or Lenovo, etc.
 

mikeymikec

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Can't beat Gigabyte and their high quality caps and dual BIOS. Can't get that from Dell or Lenovo, etc.

I can't forgive Gigabyte for their legions of dodgy caps, the same goes for MSI. Just because they claim to use high quality caps these days, it doesn't help me to believe that they've turned over a new leaf.
 

Sulaco

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I hear you regarding reading comprehension on these forums.

Regarding newegg specifically, most of us are surprised they are still around.

Regarding the PC parts market, it has declined in the last few years. Part of that has to do with poor support from some manufacturers and difficulty with troubleshooting among the variety of parts.

As is, with a custom built machine, if you have a weird problem (random crashing for instance), you need to swap parts to ID the culprit. Generally that means you need to have another pretty close machine at hand and with intel for instance, and all the crazy socket variations and even if the board supports such and such socket, maybe not that specific i5 and so on... It's just not as easy as it used to be.

Put that into comparison with something like an evenly priced HP with NBD on-site support and it's hard to choose the build it yourself option.

Here's the thing:

If you're just using a PC as an appliance for basic tasks, very light gaming, web surfing, and whatever else, a prebuilt is fine and will likely be at a comparable price.

As a hobbyist, if you're doing anything more demanding, like gaming, which is a pretty decent chunk of marketshare, you're likely going to get an inferior product. And here's where they usually skimp the most, on one of the most integral parts of a gaming system: the video card.

They'll give you near-top of the line CPU, gobs of (slower) RAM, and a big HDD (small SSD likely), that looks great on spec sheets, but you're going to be getting a quite inferior GPU, more than likely. And anyone who knows anything about gaming on a PC should know better.

I built the PC in my signature for a little under $1300 (about $1240+shipping costs for some parts). That was about 2 months ago. Most all prebuilts anywhere near that range featured similar RAM/CPU/HDDs, but significantly weaker, underpowered GPUs.

Plus, I'm getting a VASTLY superior case and higher quality individual components and accessories, and without any bloatware.

Sure, if you're buying a PC as an appliance, that won't matter much. But if its a platform you use for enjoyment, the extra research/physical building is worth it for the quality, let alone saving a few bucks.
 

StrangerGuy

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You don't build for price. You build because it's a hobby and it's fun.

I spend WAY more on components than is sometimes necessary. But I do it because I want a machine I can customize to my exact preferences.

Around a decade ago building for value means OCing the CPU by >50% on a <$100 mobo to beat a $1000 flagship.

These days? Spend $200 in mobo + cooling to overclock a $240 4690K and maybe get a +15% OC to match a stock $340 4790K which you can just drop into a $45 mobo...What for?
 

lxskllr

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I'm loving 8.1! It's just sad it needs a 3rd party 'mod' to fix the Start Menu. But once you do, it's great.:thumbsup:

I played with it on a computer I got my daughter. I liked it ok in stock condition. What I don't like is studying all the first run setup options, and trying to figure out the ways MS is gonna fuck me over by stealing data, or handing it over to people I don't want to have it.

I'll never use Windows again, with the possible exception of a gaming partition, but probably not even then. I don't really game much anymore.
 

IndyColtsFan

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It's already to that point. IT "people" are so lost, that they pay HP, Lenovo, Dell, etc., outrageous prices for proprietary hardware, just for the brand.

These people wouldn't know a RAM from a bull.

-John

As one of those IT "people" who has probably forgotten more about computers then you'll ever, ever know ( :awe: ), it depends on several factors. People who think IT "people" should always be custom building white boxes for their companies or other businesses often lack the insight and business knowledge of having actually worked in big IT for large companies. Here are a few of the factors:

1. You NEVER should scratch build a system for a company, even a small company. Doing so exposes you to support headaches and additional risk. And by "you," I'm talking about guys building PCs for people on the side. If you own your own computer shop you can do it, but it still isn't a good idea IMO. Consulting services are where the money is at, not slinging commodity items. I have a friend who owns a small "consulting" business and he gets caught up supporting PCs for small businesses instead of looking at the bigger picture and selling higher-margin, more profitable services. Drives me nuts!

2. I would extend the above and say that even building PCs for family and friends is something you should be careful with. I spec out and help my brothers build their PCs, but only because I know they're moderately savvy and won't whine and complain to me with every little problem. On the other hand, I would never build a computer for my mother-in-law. They had a Dell and wanted to upgrade and I told them to get a Dell again. I've helped them with a couple of issues but no way would I want to be on the hook for full-time support.

3. I personally build my own PCs and as I mentioned earlier, still advise my brothers to build their own. Why? I still find it an enjoyable hobby and like to know every single part that goes into a PC. I also build my own servers as well. Also, as I mentioned, I trust my brothers not to be pains in my ass every time Word crashes.

As far as "outrageous prices," as others have said, you don't build PCs today to save money in all but the rarest cases. That ship sailed a long, long time ago. You could save money building your own servers, but again, anyone claiming to be an IT person who scratch builds servers for businesses clearly lacks experience and good judgment.

HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc. generally have excellent business products. HP, Dell, Lenovo, et all also keep large stocks of spare parts. They can make those parts available quickly and efficiently and can even send a tech out to do the work on a system that dies. I don't want to offend anyone here, but this is low margin work that nearly anyone can do. Why would anyone voluntarily want to put themselves into a position where they would have to keep spare parts on hand AND service PCs that break? They also have call centers with people dedicated to supporting computer problems. Do YOU want to take phone calls from idiots whining that Excel crashed on the computer YOU built them? Hell no, let Dell or HP handle that BS.
 
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BUTCH1

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On paper those look like great systems, but I build my own systems because I want quality parts.

I doubt the major brands are using quality power supplies or motherboards. I also build because I find it enjoyable.

Ding!, winner. The Gigabyte Mobo I bought in '07 is still running perfectly, and has solid caps. I finally broke down and bought an Antec PS after dicking around with the latest, greatest $20 special only to see it croak 1 year later, the Earthwatts is now going past 3 years and no issues. You have to know that in a slim margin arena Dell, HP, Compaq are gonna skimp wherever they can, that's not to say they can't build a reliable machine, I've seen many run in hostile environments and do rather well but I like knowing what's under my hood. I don't think the "bragging rights" applies anymore since it's so much easier than in the early days, back then there was no "auto-detect" anything, you had to tell the BIOS the hard drive parameters and CPU frequency, multipliers, voltage all had to be carefully set with rows of jumpers, set ONE wrong, poof! their goes your $300 Pentium chip!.
 

rsbennett00

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Here's the thing:

If you're just using a PC as an appliance for basic tasks, very light gaming, web surfing, and whatever else, a prebuilt is fine and will likely be at a comparable price.

As a hobbyist, if you're doing anything more demanding, like gaming, which is a pretty decent chunk of marketshare, you're likely going to get an inferior product. And here's where they usually skimp the most, on one of the most integral parts of a gaming system: the video card.

They'll give you near-top of the line CPU, gobs of (slower) RAM, and a big HDD (small SSD likely), that looks great on spec sheets, but you're going to be getting a quite inferior GPU, more than likely. And anyone who knows anything about gaming on a PC should know better.

I built the PC in my signature for a little under $1300 (about $1240+shipping costs for some parts). That was about 2 months ago. Most all prebuilts anywhere near that range featured similar RAM/CPU/HDDs, but significantly weaker, underpowered GPUs.

Plus, I'm getting a VASTLY superior case and higher quality individual components and accessories, and without any bloatware.

Sure, if you're buying a PC as an appliance, that won't matter much. But if its a platform you use for enjoyment, the extra research/physical building is worth it for the quality, let alone saving a few bucks.

Looking at your sig, our systems our very close spec wise. I've only got a Core i7 3770 so mine is a little slower but we have the exact same video card, exact same ssd, and exact same 1tb storage drive. I paid just under $1200 for mine and it came with windows 7. Mine is an HP Z220 D8D17UT. Does your $1300 include the cost of windows?
 

BUTCH1

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I played with it on a computer I got my daughter. I liked it ok in stock condition. What I don't like is studying all the first run setup options, and trying to figure out the ways MS is gonna fuck me over by stealing data, or handing it over to people I don't want to have it.

I'll never use Windows again, with the possible exception of a gaming partition, but probably not even then. I don't really game much anymore.

Why are you always so worried about your "data"?, are you a multi-millionaire that MS is going to find ways to grab some of your cash?. Paranoia me thinks you suffer from.
 

lxskllr

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Why are you always so worried about your "data"?, are you a multi-millionaire that MS is going to find ways to grab some of your cash?. Paranoia me thinks you suffer from.

It's not "paranoia". It's truth, and no one needs to why I don't want to give up my data. Also, it isn't required that I give people a reason. That's the nice part about being a big boy. I don't have to answer to others, and don't have to justify my actions. "I don't like it" is an adequate answer. Privacy and security isn't the purview of the rich and elite. It's the dignity everyone deserves, and has full rights to.
 
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