Is "PC Gaming" becoming too much of a money drain, now that it's "popular"?

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StrangerGuy

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You don't honestly have to upgrade that often. It's mostly the resolution race that's making hardware go obsolete quickly. If you are a still on 1080p then a 7970 from 2011 is a still a monster card that can max almost everything.

Yeah, I can probably play any game now at 1080p on a 7950 if I dialed down the major inefficient IQ/performance hit offenders in the settings for little loss in discernible IQ compared to when maxed out...Which I won't even notice if the gameplay is engrossing enough.

I don't get why some feels they will be getting a shitty experience in games unless they are maxed out when they can save a ton of money dropping settings.
 

biostud

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The good thing about pc gaming is that you can get a gaming pc in any price range you want. If you're willing to buy used parts you can get a really good pc for a lot less than a premium gaming pc. But if you have this as a hobby you can use lots of $$$ as you please. When people ask in general hardware for gaming pcs on very tight budgets, people are very helpful and personally I like the challenge of building on a budget just as much, if not more, than having an unlimited budget for the ultimate gaming build.
 

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Idk my main rig was just upgraded by choice to a 6600k and is still pushing a 2gb EVGA GTX-770. Seems to run everything just fine @ 4/5ths quality. For that matter so did the FX-8350 based system it replaced. (and which is now my backup) Going to snag a new/used GPU (980 or 1070) in the next few weeks again by choice.

Also I just about always wait for sales on new games and get them cheap too so I'd have to disagree ... PC gaming is FAR less costly then it used to be provided you use your head.
 
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Would you rather us remain in the era of Half-Life 2 graphics so ancient machines can play everything at max settings? There's a solution for that...it's called "play older games."

I run Doom in 1080P with everything maxed out on a single 970 and it's smooth as glass.

I'm not talking about the quality of graphics, and it's not about ancient machines either. I'm talking about the cost of the graphics hardware. Not long ago, I bought an 8800 GTX back when it was the top dog and it only cost me about 300 ish, and it ran everything on full, even the latest games. And graphics back then were just as advanced for the time as they are today. But nowadays that kind of money wont get you a top card or even close. You need to spend at least double that.

The other components are decent prices, some are even cheaper today than they were in the past. The price of RAM, CPU's, etc are all pretty good, but graphics cards are now a huge cost if you want to play games with high settings. The Geforce 10 series is a step in a better direction, but when the Titan X was top card, it was going down a dark road for PC gaming.
 
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I'm not talking about the quality of graphics, and it's not about ancient machines either. I'm talking about the cost of the graphics hardware. Not long ago, I bought an 8800 GTX back when it was the top dog and it only cost me about 300 ish, and it ran everything on full, even the latest games. And graphics back then were just as advanced for the time as they are today. But nowadays that kind of money wont get you a top card or even close. You need to spend at least double that.

The other components are decent prices, some are even cheaper today than they were in the past. The price of RAM, CPU's, etc are all pretty good, but graphics cards are now a huge cost if you want to play games with high settings. The Geforce 10 series is a step in a better direction, but when the Titan X was top card, it was going down a dark road for PC gaming.

AMDs new offering 480(?) seems like it will be the new 8800gts/9500pro. Low cost around $200-$300 and 80-90% of the performance of the top tier NVIDIA cards. I haven't followed it much but it seems like it will be this generations good value card.
 

TidusZ

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80-90%? I read that it'll be between a 390 and 390x which is slower than a 980, and a 980 is about 40% slower than a 1070... It'll probably be close to a 970... still a good deal but not 80% as fast as 1070/1080
 

StrangerGuy

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I'm not talking about the quality of graphics, and it's not about ancient machines either. I'm talking about the cost of the graphics hardware. Not long ago, I bought an 8800 GTX back when it was the top dog and it only cost me about 300 ish, and it ran everything on full, even the latest games. And graphics back then were just as advanced for the time as they are today. But nowadays that kind of money wont get you a top card or even close. You need to spend at least double that.

The other components are decent prices, some are even cheaper today than they were in the past. The price of RAM, CPU's, etc are all pretty good, but graphics cards are now a huge cost if you want to play games with high settings. The Geforce 10 series is a step in a better direction, but when the Titan X was top card, it was going down a dark road for PC gaming.

Except that you are missing the fact that max settings actually brought significant IQ gains in the 8800GTX Crysis era, compared to now where max settings are designed purely to fellate the uber GPU master race crowd with pathetic IQ gains over high/medium. In either case, there has been no need to max out settings to enjoyably game whatsoever.

And no, I'm sure you bought a 8800 GT, not a GTX.
 

cmdrdredd

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I'm not talking about the quality of graphics, and it's not about ancient machines either. I'm talking about the cost of the graphics hardware. Not long ago, I bought an 8800 GTX back when it was the top dog and it only cost me about 300 ish, and it ran everything on full, even the latest games. And graphics back then were just as advanced for the time as they are today. But nowadays that kind of money wont get you a top card or even close. You need to spend at least double that.

The other components are decent prices, some are even cheaper today than they were in the past. The price of RAM, CPU's, etc are all pretty good, but graphics cards are now a huge cost if you want to play games with high settings. The Geforce 10 series is a step in a better direction, but when the Titan X was top card, it was going down a dark road for PC gaming.



No card ran crysis on max settings at normal resolutions.
 
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80-90%? I read that it'll be between a 390 and 390x which is slower than a 980, and a 980 is about 40% slower than a 1070... It'll probably be close to a 970... still a good deal but not 80% as fast as 1070/1080

Admittedly its all rumors at this time but many point to similar results. I'll also admit its AMD who has an amazing ability to screw things up. AMD has stated they want to dominate the $300 or less market. They seem pretty hungry and aggressive.

http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-faster-than-nano-980/
 
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AMDs new offering 480(?) seems like it will be the new 8800gts/9500pro. Low cost around $200-$300 and 80-90% of the performance of the top tier NVIDIA cards. I haven't followed it much but it seems like it will be this generations good value card.

Yeah this generation seems a lot better than last. AMD's new cards are good value and the Nvidia 10 series is decent improvement over the 9's for a similar price, and so far no ridiculous Titans.

Except that you are missing the fact that max settings actually brought significant IQ gains in the 8800GTX Crysis era, compared to now where max settings are designed purely to fellate the uber GPU master race crowd with pathetic IQ gains over high/medium. In either case, there has been no need to max out settings to enjoyably game whatsoever.

And no, I'm sure you bought a 8800 GT, not a GTX.

I think you are not reading my posts properly or mistaking me for someone else. And it an 8800GTX.

No card ran crysis on max settings at normal resolutions.

1680x1050 is a normal resolution and my 8800GTX did ok. It only hovered in the 30's but that was enough for me, especially considering everything was cranked. 1080p was a problem though and today the latest Crysis still struggles at the higher resolutions, even with insanely expensive hardware.
 

XavierMace

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The 8800GTX was a $600+ card at launch. So, unless you bought it WAY after release you either have the price or model wrong.
 
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Here in the UK it was about £340 or so, for the Inno3d version. And that was at release, before the GT was even released.
 
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Yeah but it doesn't matter about the currency, my point was that it is a lot cheaper than the high end just a few years later. It used to be top end and it was around the price of a 970 gtx. 980 was about 100 more and the Titan was double or triple or something crazy like that.
 

Phanuel

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But the currency does matter. You're seem to be cross comparing as though Pound = Dollar 1 to 1. If you were paying UK 340 for something the US paid $650 for, that's pretty much spot on for how the high end market still is.
 

Red Storm

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Yeah but it doesn't matter about the currency, my point was that it is a lot cheaper than the high end just a few years later. It used to be top end and it was around the price of a 970 gtx. 980 was about 100 more and the Titan was double or triple or something crazy like that.

Nah it's been right around the same as always. I would say that PC gaming today is actually cheaper than before, because now 1080P is an acceptable resolution and you don't need a high end card for it.
 

monkeydelmagico

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PC gaming isn't popular and it's never been cheaper. You can get a rig together for less than a console and play almost anything released prior to 2014. As an added bonus humble bundles, steam summer sales, and origin freebies can create a massive gaming library for chump change.
 

exar333

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PC gaming isn't popular and it's never been cheaper. You can get a rig together for less than a console and play almost anything released prior to 2014. As an added bonus humble bundles, steam summer sales, and origin freebies can create a massive gaming library for chump change.

This.

It can be as cheap or as expensive as you want it to be.
 

Subyman

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I've been building PCs since I was around 12 years old haha. I think its been about the same relatively. There are much more choices today, which is great. When I was young I always found a way to put together some money for parts and games. Now I begrudgingly buy new parts as they come out because I've been trained that way LOL
 
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But the currency does matter. You're seem to be cross comparing as though Pound = Dollar 1 to 1. If you were paying UK 340 for something the US paid $650 for, that's pretty much spot on for how the high end market still is.

No it is like I said in the last post, £340 ish was top of the line. More recently that would only have got you a 970 which was upper-middle of the range. A 980 was more like £440 (which is what I paid for mine) and that is about £100 more. A 980GTX would have been more like £200 more, and a Titan X would have been like £600 more. It was getting up around a grand for the top card. Obviously graphics cards got way more expensive in recent years when other components stayed about the same.


Nah it's been right around the same as always. I would say that PC gaming today is actually cheaper than before, because now 1080P is an acceptable resolution and you don't need a high end card for it.
How is same as always when a Titan X was about a grand for one component alone? All the components are more or less the same as they have been for 20+ years, except the graphics cards which are far more expensive. It is only cheap if you go for mid or low end stuff. If you want to play cutting edge PC games with full settings you need a really expensive graphics card. And for 4k you really need two really expensive graphics cards. 1080p might be acceptable but it is far from high end now. I have a 2560x1080 which was a compromise because of price. I would prefer a 2560x1440 or 2560x1600 but that would cost a lot more, not just for the screen but a better gpu. And 4k is still hugely demanding even for the latest gen graphics cards.

You can game cheaply if you compromise but high end is way more expensive today than ever before. Some people run multiple monitors etc. and 4x sli. You could easily spend 10 grand on a computer like that.
 
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bystander36

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How is same as always when a Titan X was about a grand for one component alone? All the components are more or less the same as they have been for 20+ years, except the graphics cards which are far more expensive. It is only cheap if you go for mid or low end stuff. If you want to play cutting edge PC games with full settings you need a really expensive graphics card. And for 4k you really need two really expensive graphics cards. 1080p might be acceptable but it is far from high end now. I have a 2560x1080 which was a compromise because of price. I would prefer a 2560x1440 or 2560x1600 but that would cost a lot more, not just for the screen but a better gpu. And 4k is still hugely demanding even for the latest gen graphics cards.

You can game cheaply if you compromise but high end is way more expensive today than ever before. Some people run multiple monitors etc. and 4x sli. You could easily spend 10 grand on a computer like that.

Titan (X)'s are not normal consumer cards. They weren't even faster than the 780ti and 980ti's. You really shouldn't be looking at those for top end card costs.

And of course, there is absolutely no reason that you need those high end cards for a high end gaming experience.
 

StrangerGuy

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Titan (X)'s are not normal consumer cards. They weren't even faster than the 780ti and 980ti's. You really shouldn't be looking at those for top end card costs.

And of course, there is absolutely no reason that you need those high end cards for a high end gaming experience.

You are talking about a guy who paid $600 in 2007 dollars (aka $300 in his lala fantasy land bucks) for a 8800 GTX while whining about how GPUs are now sooooo much more expensive when a 980 Ti is priced at a kitten-murdering level of $650, and now he is offended about why nobody is taking him seriously.
 
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TidusZ

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You are talking about a guy who paid $600 in 2007 dollars (aka $300 in his lala fantasy land bucks) for a 8800 GTX while whining about how GPUs are now sooooo much more expensive when a 980 Ti is priced at a kitten-murdering level of $650, and now he is offended about why nobody is taking him seriously.

8800 gtx was such a bad deal when the 8800 gt was like $300 cdn and almost as fast with both overclocked
 
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