Is Rap Music? Is It Good? Plethora of opinions here!! Bling Bling!

[joemamma]

hey pac lovers!!! quit living in the past, he's dead so deal with it.

and those who say that rappers are stupid and illiterate braggadocios, my guess is that you haven't even LISTENED to jayz's blueprint. and listening to singles on the radio doesn't count. check out the lyrics on 'takeover' and the beats to 'hola hovito' are massive. jayz seriously owns all cos if this record. dont' stereotype all rap unless you've heard it all. there's good stuff out there, you just have to look and listen to it.

 

[cappsa]

H to the izzO, V to the izzA.

Fo' shizzle my nizzle you can bend me over cause I'm GizzAY.

Hova, as in Jay-hova, as in Jehovah, as in the Jesus of rap. Or some shiz.

 

[Ryan]

jealousy is one of the most common flaws in people.

The only smart thing said in this thread

 

[Desturel]

Yeah, everyone go out and buy Blueprint so you can hear Jay-Z get owned by Eminem.

I wonder if the people who think rap isn't real music listen to pre-processed crap like Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park. Maybe they think Tool or Creed is 100% original. Please people, it's all a matter of taste. If you don't like rap, don't listen to it. Nothing worse than someone who loves Clint Eastwood from the Gorillaz telling people who like Ether (the Jay-Z diss track by Nas) that they don't know what good music is.

 

[Martin]

<< If I randomly hit keys on a piano for 10 minutes, record it, and it turns out that 95% of people enjoy the sounds I made, then I am a good musician. It's not about whether or not I had any musical structure or form in mind when I was making the thing, it's about whether or not people enjoy it. >>



Ahh, the mindless ramblings of idiots. I don't know whether to feel sorry for you or laugh at you. The fact that you would even THINK of saying something like that shows your incredible ignorance.
If you hit piano keys for 10 minutes and then people pay money for that, that doesn't make you a musician, that makes you a guy who hit piano keys for 10 minutes. And the people who bought it are most likely tone deaf idiots.




<< Now, since you seem to think that money means nothing, tell me, how do they get the money? No wait, I'm the one giving you all the answers here, so I'll say it: from sales. Where do sales come from? People buying things. If people are buying Jay-Z albums, it must entertain them. Hence, it must be good music. >>


People buy nsync records and for the love of god, they even guy ARRON CARTER RECORDS!!! Just because someone is successful doesn't make it good music. If fact, most people (like you) have no f-ing clue what good music is. People buy sh*tty "music" such as this because they think its cool, not because its good.





<< jealousy is one of the most common flaws in people. >>


Lol, I think not. People like me and Option1 engage in these rather pointless arguments because it annoys the hell out of us that ignorant idiots like you can claim that money == good music and that more sales == good music.



<< Good for him. I think his music is crap. Whoever's collecting royalties on the albums he sells now is probably also going to die broke. >>


That's because Mozart's music is not for little ignorant idiots that confuse marketing with musical talent. I myself have studied music for a number of years and I've played lots of classical pieces. Only if you know and care about music can you appreciate the geniuses that most classical composers are. Why do you think that centuries after their death, people like me still listen to their music? Because we know good music, and we can appreciate it.

Do you really think anyone will apreciate jayz, nelly, or any of those other pathetic people calling themselves "musicians"? No, they are just another fad that will soon give way to something else, yet good music will live on, regardless of the sh*t going on around it.

 

[Ryan]

<< No, they are just another fad that will soon give way to something else, yet good music will live on, regardless of the sh*t going on around it. >>


LMAO - what world do you live in?!?!?! Rap has been around for over 15 years, I don't think that's a fad.

 

[helpme]

Nate Dogg.

 

[Feanor727]

There hasn't been any good rap since the early 90s.

 

[Martin]

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<< No, they are just another fad that will soon give way to something else, yet good music will live on, regardless of the sh*t going on around it. >>


LMAO - what world do you live in?!?!?! Rap has been around for over 15 years, I don't think that's a fad. >>



So where many other things. Just look at the 20th century, almost every decade has its own kind of music. 20s and 30s had large style brass bands, the 50s had rock and roll, 60s had people like hendrix or janis joplin, 70s had pink floyd and led zepplic, 80s had metal etc. etc.


The 90s were full of rap and (ugh) pop. What makes you think they'll stick around? Oh, they might carve a nieche, but will they ever achive the status of classical music? HA, I think not.

 

[Ryan]

BustaRhyme is a smart person One of the very few in this thread.

 

[vi edit]

*looks under armpit* Nope. No "owned by Jay-Z" stamp there.
*looks at forehead in mirror* Nope. Not there either.

 

[Martin]

<< Lets try this again. Music is to entertain. If people are entertained by trash, they are STILL ENTERTAINED. This is not mensa, this is entertainment, so the intelligence of the audience is irrelevant. >>



Your assumptions are incorrect. While some music may be entertainment, not all is. Music is frequently used to deliver a message (like RATM for example), to tell a story (such as The Wall) or to simply express oneself. Good music is like any other art form. Do you think Piccasso painted the Guernica to entertain people?

And ask yourself, would most rap fans like rap if it wasn't "hip"? Mostly likely not, and yes, I know people who listen to rap.




<< Music quality is in the ear of the beholder. You don't like rap, and I probably don't like whatever junk you listen to (I've noticed that people who bash rap never mention what junk they listen to, probably out of insecurity). You, MartyTheManiak, your opinion is not the final decision on what good music is, the audience's opinion is. >>



Lol, once again you make sweepting asumptions. If you knew anything about music theory, you'd know that you don't just randomly hit notes and make music. Therefore, music quality is only in the ear of the beholder to a certain extent.
And I am perfectly secure about the music I listen to, there was simply no need to tell you. If you want to know, I listen to rock (60s,70s, 90s and modern), classical and just a bit of trance every now and then.




<< You still haven't proven me wrong, you've simply stated that because you don't like it, it must be crap. >>


There's lots of stuff that I don't like, yet I don't bach either.
Take metal for example. I really don't like it, yet I don't go around saying how much it sucks, because it doesnt.
Rap is different, not only do I not like it, but it also sucks.



<< Highly unlikely. They are liked now, they have been for years, and will be for years. Just like the Beatles, one of those fads that died away in a couple years, right? >>



The beatles are no longer mainstream, like rap is now. They are a nieche, mostly because people who listened to them when they were young are still around.

 

[Martin]

<< BustaRhyme is a smart person >>



Yep, and I am in reincarnation of Jimi Hendrix.

 

[Ns1]

Dude BustaRhymes you freakin poser

JayZ sucks, so does most everybody else post 1998ish

After Tupac + BIG rap went all the way downhill.

I mean for christs sake, the only new rapper that I have any respect for is Eminem. I don't care if you don't like him as a person or whatever, but as a rapper he kicks ass. He's one of the few that can rap, rhyme, and tell a story all at once. Not just rapping about his "hoes" and "bitches"

From a pure technical standpoint JayZ can't rap worth crap. He can't rhyme worth crap. He calls himself an "mc" but he can't mc worth crap either.

He is s to the tupid, h to the omo

 

[CichliSuite]

BustaRhyme,
The problem with argumetns like yours, is that their convenient use of reletavism - what's music, where do you draw the line? - simply drowns itself. If music was indeed defined by consumer demand, then why have we not devolved to piano keys being hit 10 ten times? Because it fails to entertain even the most tuneless, of people.
While you think consumer demand to be some absolute measure of legitimacy, stop and think we media promotion exists. Why is Jay-z, along with rap in general, pounced in our faces nearly every minute of every goddamn day? Why are suburban children talking like ghetto dwellers the've never met - was this in inherent inclination merely brought out by the introduction of rap music? NO, it was a DELIBERATE indoctrination. Media CONTROLS the creation of taste, and then merely feeds it.
The 10 piano key song we talked about above, simply would require too much media taste shaping to be profitable. There is no persona to sell it, a prerequisite for selling the dumbed-down jabber that consumers "demand" today. Ask yourself why all music being produced and sold today requires more effort in creating the video and shaping an appealing persona - usually one that empowers weak and low-esteemed children, than in making the music?
Why do you think rap sells so well? Because it is appealing to low-esteemed children, who yearn to feel secure. There is no easier way than rap - go to the mall, buy the carefully and explicitly articulated warddrobe, a CD so you can spout the lyrics at some point, and you too can transform from an awkwad teenager into on that (at least seems to) don't care 'bout noone, and dat yo @ss is tough. Now, as this clown continues on, he may acquire a liking to the drivel that he is required to like. Is this "music"? Or is it merely a marketing vehicle to obtain the carefully marketed persona and purchase the carefully marketed clothes?
You better believe its the latter.

 

[Viperoni]

<< Take metal for example. I really don't like it, yet I don't go around saying how much it sucks, because it doesnt.
Rap is different, not only do I not like it, but it also sucks. >>



Notice that everybody has different tastes in music, and I bet a lot of people think Rock sucks as well.



<< You still haven't proven me wrong, you've simply stated that because you don't like it, it must be crap. >>



Thanks Busta

 

[LAUST]

Hmmm "Owned" My thoughts of "Owned" are like this last Sunday when the Bronco's "Owned" those suckazz Raiders

"Owned" is when your on the ground and you look up and your competitor has his arms being held up by a ref.

Some dude who scratches a record that only fan boys listen too = same ol lozer

 

[Ns1]

I wasn't comparing Eminem to tupac + BIG, I was comparing Eminem to the current rappers =P

 

[Desturel]

Some rap songs that aren't about money/ho's/cars:
The Message - Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five
Rappers Delight - The Sugar Hill Gang
Crossroads - Bone Thugz and Harmony
War - Bone Thugz and Harmony
Judgement Night - Onyx
Almost anything by the Fat Boys
More than half of DMX's songs
Most of Eminem's songs (they are about drugs and killing not money ho's and cars )

Well, I could list alot of songs, but it would be silly. Then again it's silly that I listed the ones I did.

 

[spaceman]

OZZY RULES!!!!!

 

[SaintAshlar]

I've noticed that many self-proclaimed music afficiendos claim euphonic superiority just because they listen to classical music. It's absurd. What gives them the authority to definatively declare what is good music and what is bad music? Because they favor Baroque over Brooklyn? Haydn over HOVA? Please. How is it up there on the horse?

 

[Martin]

<< You still haven't proven me wrong, you've simply stated that because you don't like it, it must be crap. >>


Are you THAT thick headed?

Notice that I said there is a difference between sucking and not liking something.

I may not like some genres of music as much, but that doesn't mean they suck. Personally, I don't like rap, because it sucks, and not the other way around, as you have conviniently assumed.
lets examine why rap is sucks:
1. Most doesn't have any decent of music. Many just have one loop repeating through out the song, or a simple beat -- nothing more.
2. Most has pointless, meaningless, fake lyrics.

Now, its not my problem if you happen to like sh*t like this, yet don't ever, ever try to tell me its good music and that the rappers are talented musicians.

 

[Ns1]

What exactly is a "hova"?

is it a homo with a combova?

 

[littleman]

yes. Jay-z owns me.

 

[Ryan]

<<
lets examine why rap is sucks:
1. Most doesn't have any decent of music. Many just have one loop repeating through out the song, or a simple beat -- nothing more.
2. Most has pointless, meaningless, fake lyrics. >>



Do you fail to notice that your reasons are OPINIONS?!?!?!?!

o·pin·ion (-pnyn)
n.
A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof.