Is slavery the answer to the economic crisis?

[Dufusyte]

And oddly enough, National Service actually is the answer to the gov's financial problems, since it can avail itself of the people's productivity without needing to compensate them, effectively taxing productivity at 100%.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: K1052

Don't confuse an unwillingness to make choices with an inability to do so.

Nor confuse crappy choices with good ones.
If all the choices available to one are less than desirable, then an unwillingness to choose from that field cannot be faulted, no matter how imperitive it be that a choice be made. A bad choice is a bad choice regardless of the range.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.

So how do you explain rags to riches stories?

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
We are all wage slaves or indentured servants now anyway.
It's just that "the Plantation" looks a bit different than in the past.

Horseshit.

No, he's correct.

Yep, AlienCraft is absolutely right.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Dufusyte
Slavery = forced to work without compensation.

Obama is instituting "National Service" whereby young adults will work hours (later will be "years") doing the government's bidding, without significant compensation. This is the new slavery inflicted upon the populace: dedicate several years of your lives to gov work for free. Forced labor = slavery.

Too late. The "OMGWTF? SLAVERY!" cry is now: "OMGWTF? OVERCOMPENSATION"

Although that was a couple weeks ago now.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ultra laser

Topic Title: Is slavery the answer to the economic crisis?

Maybe we should make a special case for idiots who would bother to raise the question. For all others, it's unconstitutional. :frown:

 

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
The lesser of two evils is still evil.

And that is supposed to be an excuse for choosing the greater of two evils?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Dufusyte
Slavery = forced to work without compensation.

Obama is instituting "National Service" whereby young adults will work hours (later will be "years") doing the government's bidding, without significant compensation. This is the new slavery inflicted upon the populace: dedicate several years of your lives to gov work for free. Forced labor = slavery.

While true, he's only going after the poor people, so it's completely OK with me. They are good for nothing anyway, might as well put their lazy butts to work.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
We are all wage slaves or indentured servants now anyway.
It's just that "the Plantation" looks a bit different than in the past.

Horseshit.

No, he's correct.

There's a lot more truth to Aliencraft's statement than K1052, who sure sounds like a right-wing ideologue, recognizes, for many Americans.

Every time some political leader wants to help the lot of those Americans, many Americans attack them with propagandistic labels, and nothing much happens.

The last time a president actually made such an effort, the long-term poverty rate in the US was cut by a third. The guy who was really going to do something was shot.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Craig234
than K1052, who sure sounds like a right-wing ideologue

As long as we're pigeonholing people can I now call you a communist for wanting to help the poor?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Ok, let's clear a few things up.

Slaves weren't slaves because they did work without receiving pay. Other groups have done that for a long time. American slavery was unique for three reasons: it was entirely an economic institution, it utterly denied human status to the slaves, and it quickly became entirely based on skin color. Those are the differences between American slavery and every other system of slavery, indentured servitude, and similar institution.

There is no parallel between that institution and anything going on today...not wage slavery, not slave labor in other areas, not Obamas national service plan, and not the idea of the OP which is in fact a form of indentured servitude.

 

[Dufusyte]

For the record, McCain was promoting his own plan of National Service. Somehow it seems like both candidates were equally puppets, told to implement the master plan.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Dufusyte
For the record, McCain was promoting his own plan of National Service. Somehow it seems like both candidates were equally puppets, told to implement the master plan.

didn't matter who won, so long as one of them did they could have access to the secret tunnel under the smithsonian.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: K1052

Don't confuse an unwillingness to make choices with an inability to do so.

Nor confuse crappy choices with good ones.
If all the choices available to one are less than desirable, then an unwillingness to choose from that field cannot be faulted, no matter how imperitive it be that a choice be made. A bad choice is a bad choice regardless of the range.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.

So how do you explain rags to riches stories?

besides that part where they statistically never happen?

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: K1052

Don't confuse an unwillingness to make choices with an inability to do so.

Nor confuse crappy choices with good ones.
If all the choices available to one are less than desirable, then an unwillingness to choose from that field cannot be faulted, no matter how imperitive it be that a choice be made. A bad choice is a bad choice regardless of the range.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.

So how do you explain rags to riches stories?

besides that part where they statistically never happen?

yep...if you look at the percentages that is mostly fantasy, it can happen, but upward class mobility is incredibly uncommon

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: K1052

Don't confuse an unwillingness to make choices with an inability to do so.

Nor confuse crappy choices with good ones.
If all the choices available to one are less than desirable, then an unwillingness to choose from that field cannot be faulted, no matter how imperitive it be that a choice be made. A bad choice is a bad choice regardless of the range.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.

So how do you explain rags to riches stories?

besides that part where they statistically never happen?

yep...if you look at the percentages that is mostly fantasy, it can happen, but upward class mobility is incredibly uncommon

lol are you guys serious? No wonder you guys come on ATPN and bitch about capitalism. You guys are fucking losers who don't have the ambition to move upwards.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Infohawk
It's not like if someone murders your sister you get to make the convict your house slave.

The exception is meant for states to punish convicts with hard labor. The criminal justice system is technically for the benefit of the state, not private parties like creditors.

While the idea of bailing out homeowners makes me sick, the lenders share culpability too. It's their job to make smart loans.

What about the community organizations, and their lawyers, that put pressure on the lenders to make bad decisions? Are they culpable as well?

What's sad about your tunnel vision is that you think a small percentage of subprime loans have brought on the most severe financial crisis since the Great Depression.

I guess that 40x leverage didn't have anything to do with it, eh?

 

[jackace]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: K1052

Don't confuse an unwillingness to make choices with an inability to do so.

Nor confuse crappy choices with good ones.
If all the choices available to one are less than desirable, then an unwillingness to choose from that field cannot be faulted, no matter how imperitive it be that a choice be made. A bad choice is a bad choice regardless of the range.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.

So how do you explain rags to riches stories?

besides that part where they statistically never happen?

yep...if you look at the percentages that is mostly fantasy, it can happen, but upward class mobility is incredibly uncommon

lol are you guys serious? No wonder you guys come on ATPN and bitch about capitalism. You guys are fucking losers who don't have the ambition to move upwards.

Have you actually seen the numbers on how many businesses actually "make it big"? Last I remember seeing the numbers on businesses that fail in the first year alone is 80%.

 

[ranmaniac]

It would be more profitable to keep millions of those Americans to keep paying the monthly minimums on their credit card payments than to send them to some FEMA camp that will have to be subsidized by taxpayer dollars.

 

[SickBeast]

IMO the deviants in prison should have to do something to earn their keep. It costs something outrageous like $40,000 per year per inmate to keep those nutcases locked up.

Perhaps they could do scientific research.

They could also be farming, cultivating, and cooking their own food.

Maybe we could make the jails into mini-democracies, and let them police themselves. The ones who are elected as guards could get some time shaved off their sentence for enforcing good behavior.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: jackace

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: K1052

Don't confuse an unwillingness to make choices with an inability to do so.

Nor confuse crappy choices with good ones.
If all the choices available to one are less than desirable, then an unwillingness to choose from that field cannot be faulted, no matter how imperitive it be that a choice be made. A bad choice is a bad choice regardless of the range.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.

So how do you explain rags to riches stories?

besides that part where they statistically never happen?

yep...if you look at the percentages that is mostly fantasy, it can happen, but upward class mobility is incredibly uncommon

lol are you guys serious? No wonder you guys come on ATPN and bitch about capitalism. You guys are fucking losers who don't have the ambition to move upwards.

Have you actually seen the numbers on how many businesses actually "make it big"? Last I remember seeing the numbers on businesses that fail in the first year alone is 80%.

He's a right-winger. Telling him about "numbers" and "facts" is like trying to teach my cat differential equations.

They've done inter-generational studies that track social mobility and the numbers are neither pretty nor improving.