Is society in your opinion better or worse from 30-40 years ago?

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Jeff7

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To be fair, there is a lot of money in that second sentence if done to the proper horse.
Yes....that thought did cross my mind as I was writing that.

At least for most people who do that sort of thing, it's not a hobby.




Some of the animals in our service must have bizarre worldviews.
Breeding stock horses: Little primates manage your sex life.
 

dud

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Feb 18, 2001
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The following is just my opinion and is partially factual due to failing memory:

Way back in prehistoric times (the 1960s/70s) people (on average) had less money, they lived in smaller houses and got most of their entertainment from reading books, watching TVs with B/W (sometimes color) picture tubes and spending time outside. One would think that without computers and the Internet in every home things would have been worse for society as a whole. As I age I look back with fond memories of those times. We had little money, lived in a tiny house and drove old, used cars ... but we seemed to be happier than we are today. Technology is wonderful but can cause us, our families and society to become detached from one another.

Back then, we didn't have to worry about many of the problems plaguing society today. As a kid, you could walk to school and back and you felt safe ... our parents would even let us go out at night and play hide/go seek in the dark without worry. Crime and societal problems have always existed but things just seem so much better back then. Perhaps I am romanticizing about the past ... but I doubt it.

With the fiscal problems that this country is going to have to (soon) face ... I see things getting worse.
 

Childs

Lifer
Jul 9, 2000
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The following is just my opinion and is partially factual due to failing memory:

Way back in prehistoric times (the 1960s/70s) people (on average) had less money, they lived in smaller houses and got most of their entertainment from reading books, watching TVs with B/W (sometimes color) picture tubes and spending time outside. One would think that without computers and the Internet in every home things would have been worse for society as a whole. As I age I look back with fond memories of those times. We had little money, lived in a tiny house and drove old, used cars ... but we seemed to be happier than we are today. Technology is wonderful but can cause us, our families and society to become detached from one another.

Back then, we didn't have to worry about many of the problems plaguing society today. As a kid, you could walk to school and back and you felt safe ... our parents would even let us go out at night and play hide/go seek in the dark without worry. Crime and societal problems have always existed but things just seem so much better back then. Perhaps I am romanticizing about the past ... but I doubt it.

With the fiscal problems that this country is going to have to (soon) face ... I see things getting worse.

Technology seems have amplified problems in our society, as you can be constantly reminded of everything thats bad in the world 24/7. The dangers of being kidnapped in the 70s was still there, but you fear it more now because you seemingly know when it happens all across the country. It also has made societal interactions more complex. Before, you could go on a date and think nothing more than whether or not you like the person. Now, you examine every little thing a person does to see if they if they show signs of a million different issues that they might have. You even watch yourself, cause you could say or do something stupid and it ends up youtube or twitter. Or maybe you are trying to alter your behavior so that you do not appear to have issues.

I dont think its something that will change, its just a new way of living. You lose one aspect of living, but the need is still there, and an alternative is formed. Like the idea of play dates. They didnt have that when I was a kid, you just went out and played with your friends until the sun came down. Now parents provide a similar experience, but in a more controlled environment. To kids its essentially the same thing.

Its hard to say whether things a better or worse. We know more now about everything, but that knowledge comes with a price. I would rather know more and deal with the consequences than not know and be blindsided.
 

JimmiG

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Feb 24, 2005
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Compared to 40 years ago:
Material happniess = far better
Everything else = much worse
 

Baptismbyfire

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Oct 7, 2010
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Let's see...

You're talking about a period in human history which many scientists consider to be the tipping point for humanity, due to overpollution, overconsumption, and flagrant disregard for the environment. We're expected to see a series of major ecological disasters, including massive famine, within our lifetime, and a decline in the quality of life for all, but the rich and powerful.

Major technological innovations have led to miracle cures and has revolutionized the way we see and interact with the world, but it has also made it that much easier for the police state and corporations to monitor and regulate our ways of life.

Due to the effects of globalization and increased concentration of wealth in the hands of a few, we're seeing massive uprooting of communities and destruction of family values, which leads to even more people seeking comfort in material wealth, and incidents like the bus monitor, which shows how increasingly we're changing into a selfish society, with little or no regard for human life other than those close to us, or those we consider as worthy. It is no wonder we're seeing the rise of radical groups all over the world, such as the neo-Nazis in the recent Greece election, since desperate people have nowhere else to turn to when the social systems that are supposed to protect them have betrayed them.

Now, I am not gullible enough to say that none of this didn't exist 40 years ago, but I think most would agree that it has gotten worse, than it has gotten better. We had government scandals even back then, but was it as bad as today, when the whole government is awash in corporate "bribery", and even the most basic constitutional rights are being taken away with barely any opposition? For instance, the Obama administration is still trying to take away your right not to be held indefinitely without trial by the military, but do news agencies even report it anymore? Do Americans even care anymore, as long as they have their latest IPad and other so-called modern index of happiness and success?
 
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dmcowen674

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Let's see...

You're talking about a period in human history which many scientists consider to be the tipping point for humanity, due to overpollution, overconsumption, and flagrant disregard for the environment. We're expected to see a series of major ecological disasters, including massive famine, within our lifetime, and a decline in the quality of life for all, but the rich and powerful.

Major technological innovations have led to miracle cures and has revolutionized the way we see and interact with the world, but it has also made it that much easier for the police state and corporations to monitor and regulate our ways of life.

Due to the effects of globalization and increased concentration of wealth in the hands of a few, we're seeing massive uprooting of communities and destruction of family values, which leads to even more people seeking comfort in material wealth, and incidents like the bus monitor, which shows how increasingly we're changing into a selfish society, with little or no regard for human life other than those close to us, or those we consider as worthy. It is no wonder we're seeing the rise of radical groups all over the world, such as the neo-Nazis in the recent Greece election, since desperate people have nowhere else to turn to when the social systems that are supposed to protect them have betrayed them.

Now, I am not gullible enough to say that none of this didn't exist 40 years ago, but I think most would agree that it has gotten worse, than it has gotten better. We had government scandals even back then, but was it as bad as today, when the whole government is awash in corporate "bribery", and even the most basic constitutional rights are being taken away with barely any opposition? For instance, the Obama administration is still trying to take away your right not to be held indefinitely without trial by the military, but do news agencies even report it anymore? Do Americans even care anymore, as long as they have their latest IPad and other so-called modern index of happiness and success?

Quite a post

Fire has it pretty well summed up.

Things have gone to hell in a handbasket and going further down everyday the Corporations are allowed to run roughshod over the people.

I know someday the people will eventually band together and rise up against them. It's not a matter of if, it is a matter of when.
 

OverVolt

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Much worse. Technology has pretty much destroyed the normal way people socialize. In terms of face to face communication, its usually 3 categories. 1. significant other, you'd go crazy without one. 2. people at work, shootin the bullshit, can't be yourself. 3. drunk

Then there is the economy, which is essentially a slow motion train wreck with an unavoidable outcome. I noticed waayyyy back in 2004 that we had the longest period of economic growth, and I thought to myself that we're going to have the longest period ever of economic depression (renamed recession apparently.)

I actually think we are in the middle of double dipping right now. The only people I know who are getting jobs personally are making exceptional sacrifices like moving across the country etc.

Gotta do what you gotta do, but people act like things are all rosy right now. They're just setting themselves up to have the rug pulled from under them.
 
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hans007

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I still think its better now. People live longer. There is less racism or persecution of gay people. 40 years ago I'd probably be much more likely to be called a beloved patriot or something. And for the tech field that I work in the advancements have opened up a lot and the field is much more accessible.

Life generally is easier now given productivity increases. I am not waiting days etc for telegrams etc. Maybe some people were happier back then but I think my life would have been much worse. 40 years ago was just around the oil crisis and post Vietnam recession too.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Sep 22, 2007
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I still think its better now. People live longer. There is less racism or persecution of gay people. 40 years ago I'd probably be much more likely to be called a beloved patriot or something. And for the tech field that I work in the advancements have opened up a lot and the field is much more accessible.

Life generally is easier now given productivity increases. I am not waiting days etc for telegrams etc. Maybe some people were happier back then but I think my life would have been much worse. 40 years ago was just around the oil crisis and post Vietnam recession too.

I personally feel that life was much better 30 years ago than today for a variety of reasons. I was a small kid in the 70s so my opinion there doesn't count much, but the 80s, IMO, were far superior to today. Sure, we didn't have as much technology in our daily lives as we do today, but back then, technology was appreciated and there was a sense of awe and excitement at the possibilities.

For all of our advances, I'm still shocked at the large number of people dying of cancer fairly young. If you would've told me in 1985 the current state of cancer in 2012, I would've been extremely disappointed. It just seems that the people who do live longer with it are the ones where it was caught really early and not because of some miracle treatment. Call me cynical, but I've lost too many friends and relatives to cancer at fairly young ages and I'm not in awe of our progress there.

At least in the 70s and 80s, we also still had a decent space program and there was real hope for the future in that arena. Now? Don't get me started on where the US stands in terms of its space program.
 

IndyColtsFan

Lifer
Sep 22, 2007
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Much worse. Technology has pretty much destroyed the normal way people socialize. In terms of face to face communication, its usually 3 categories. 1. significant other, you'd go crazy without one. 2. people at work, shootin the bullshit, can't be yourself. 3. drunk

Then there is the economy, which is essentially a slow motion train wreck with an unavoidable outcome. I noticed waayyyy back in 2004 that we had the longest period of economic growth, and I thought to myself that we're going to have the longest period ever of economic depression (renamed recession apparently.)

I actually think we are in the middle of double dipping right now. The only people I know who are getting jobs personally are making exceptional sacrifices like moving across the country etc.

Gotta do what you gotta do, but people act like things are all rosy right now. They're just setting themselves up to have the rug pulled from under them.

I agree with much of what you've written. Also, it seems that in the late 80s and early 90s was when America's "victim" culture started -- everyone's problems are someone else's fault and no one takes responsibility for anything.
 

Baptismbyfire

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Much worse. Technology has pretty much destroyed the normal way people socialize. In terms of face to face communication, its usually 3 categories. 1. significant other, you'd go crazy without one. 2. people at work, shootin the bullshit, can't be yourself. 3. drunk

Yeah, that seems to the common mentality nowadays. Some kind of modern day clan mentality, where competition or mistrust between people has intensified to the point where people no longer feel comfortable talking face to face with another. In the past, when two people disagreed, they tended to talk things out as civilized human beings, but today, people would rather punch & kick, sue, go through the "official channel", or avoid it all and go hideout in their basement bunker and only socialize through WoW. I still remember when I was in middle school(2000ish), and my neighbor upstairs called the police on me because my friend and I were having too much fun laughing downstairs. Couldn't he just have come downstairs, and asked me to quiet down?

People no longer want to take risks, and do everything in a sterile, procedural way when it comes to settling disputes or even getting to know someone. More and more people treat marriage as a business contract, and have their partner sign premarital agreement, and schools refuse to tend to the sick, out of fear of being sued by the parents.

Disagreement and competition have always existed, but the competition today... just wow... it blows my mind how people seem to rip each other's throats out for so little when technology today allow for near unlimited supply of food and everyday comfort.

The funny thing is that once they have obtained what they thought they wanted, and look back on all they had destroyed to get to where they are today, many of them can't handle it, and drug themselves or shoot themselves out of misery, realizing that they have been seeking the wrong things in life.
 

StrangerGuy

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Pretty much worse. As global population keep increasing because irresponsible people can't keep their legs shut and can't understand the ethics of having children they have no means to get properly fed/educated/cared for that inevitably means sacrificing dignity and compassion from everyone as all of us compete for an ever dwindling share of the pie.
 

Childs

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Jul 9, 2000
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Due to the effects of globalization and increased concentration of wealth in the hands of a few, we're seeing massive uprooting of communities and destruction of family values, which leads to even more people seeking comfort in material wealth, and incidents like the bus monitor, which shows how increasingly we're changing into a selfish society, with little or no regard for human life other than those close to us, or those we consider as worthy.

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Now, I am not gullible enough to say that none of this didn't exist 40 years ago, but I think most would agree that it has gotten worse, than it has gotten better.

I tend to think that incidents like the bus monitor have always happened, but there were no smart phones then. Riding the bus has always been a traumatic experience for some. Probably why so many parents drive their kids to school these days, because they remember what its like. Kids, especially in a group, can be aholes.
 

IGBT

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Jul 16, 2001
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has become retrograde. too many adults are now in a permanent state of adolescence supported by utopian politics and drugs. No surprise they can't get/hold a job. The self esteem movement has convinced a bunch of losers that they are great. So now they can spend the rest of their lives living with mom and dad and hanging out at the skate board park.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Jun 19, 2004
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Many, many, changes in the last 30 to 40 years, some good many bad. The things that stand out to me are the changes in communities and housing. Back in the dark ages, kids ran and biked all over the neighborhood and regularly ate at each others houses. We even ate at folk's houses who didn't have kids and no one had a problem feeding us.

Most homes only had one 'bread winner.' The flip side was many parents didn't talk to each other because they were from different ethnic backgrounds yet no one had a problem with their kids being disciplined by random adults. Unaccompanied kids in businesses were viewed with suspicion. A car pulling up at an amusement park and having kids pile out and getting money handed to them from the driver's window would have resulted in the police being called and the kids detained. A kid pealing off a twenty to pay for something would have been detained and his parents called (ok, that was 50 years ago).

The recent bus monitor incident would have resulted in the kids being ejected from the bus, expelled from school, beat by their parents and, viewed with disapproval by every teacher in the school system for the rest of their time in school until they graduated. Their teachers would have made sure each following grades teachers were aware of it.

There was less freedom for kids but, you learned how to play the game or you were stomped on early and frequently. I didn't know I was less free at the time but, I learned the value in at least appearing to conform to society's standards. That is sadly missing amongst the 'youts' of today.
 

mmntech

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Society is significantly better than it was back in the 1970s. Crime is down, wars are down, hungar is down, people are living longer than ever, health care is significantly better, the Internet has revolutionized communication. Consider this. Our government considers having TOO MUCH food as a major health threat.

There are a few trends that do disturb me though. Namely society's dependence on debt spending, instant gratification culture, too much willingness to place too much power in the hands of governments, corruption, growing religious fundamentalism, major rights issues in other countries. Despite that, today is the best it has ever been for human society. Your average person today lives better than a king did in the 19th century.
 
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