When he gets to 5 rings, then this will be a real topic. Till then , put down the crack pipe.
Physical play isn't stopping Curry from getting open looks off screens with his fast release, not even pippen is stopping it. Hand checking? lol. Foul him more in the paint, sure - he's a significantly better FT shooter than MJ was. MJ was a career 83% FT shooter and Steph is 90%+. Shooting-wise MJ never reached the 90-50-40 ever, hell he only hit 40%+ on 3's in one year and that was when they moved the line closer in. Steph hit 90-50-40 in only his 6th year while averaging over 30.
When he gets to 5 rings, then this will be a real topic. Till then , put down the crack pipe.
that 3 pt stat is pretty f'ing crazy, damn.
No, I'm not saying Steph is an overall better player because MJ's PER is higher (better rebounder, defender). Steph is a better offensive weapon/scorer/playmaker due to better dribbling penetration and passing to the open man (assists). Are you fuckers that illiterate? It was clearly spelled out in my post.
Steph is a better finisher at the rim as well than MJ this year and he cannot even elevate like MJ did - he simply uses glass and floaters at an array of crazy angles. Sorry, but the facts are the facts and Steph is getting better every year to a magnitude that we never saw from MJ. Steph is like Neo in the Matrix learning how to harness his powers. Don't be surprised if he even shatters MJ/Wilt's single season PER (came close this year) in the upcoming years.
No, I'm not saying Steph is an overall better player because MJ's PER is higher (better rebounder, defender). Steph is a better offensive weapon/scorer/playmaker due to better dribbling penetration and passing to the open man (assists). Are you fuckers that illiterate? It was clearly spelled out in my post.
Steph is a better finisher at the rim as well than MJ this year and he cannot even elevate like MJ did - he simply uses glass and floaters at an array of crazy angles. Sorry, but the facts are the facts and Steph is getting better every year to a magnitude that we never saw from MJ. Steph is like Neo in the Matrix learning how to harness his powers. Don't be surprised if he even shatters MJ/Wilt's single season PER (came close this year) in the upcoming years.
And you're still harping on PER. I said it was possible that Curry could surpass MJ and Wilt due to him improving his defense. Keep in mind that Curry is much smaller than Lebron and MJ so he's already at a disadvantage for rebounds and defense. We've never seen someone this small put up a single season PER like this in NBA history.omfg LOL. MJ never elevated his game like Curry because he never so many had mediocre seasons like Curry. Curry excelled at what he does best, shoot 3's, yet after such an unimaginable improvement this season, he STILL falls behind Wilt, Jordan, and Lebron in PER multiple times each. While Curry won the mvp last year, Jordan had 7 seasons better than Curry's last year's number.
And if you use PER, consider that it is more offensive based than defensive, which is why guys like Bruce Bowen, one of the leagues best defenders in his day, have such a terrible career PER (8.3). How about defensive rating? While Jordan's career is 139th on the alltime list (dominated by big men), Curry is...well, who knows, it only goes down to 250th, bottoming out at Bobby Sura. (Bowen is 109th.)
Beyond that, you're plotting data points in a graph as if you can take a year or two of his performance and project it out over the rest of his career, which is complete bs. I guess that should put him in line for 500+ 3's next year. He's had one spectacular year to Jordan's many. Imo, he's not likely to improve on this year as well.
That said, keep posting, because as doltish and farcical as your posts have gotten, they're great entertainment (in a Disney kind of way. )
Ridiculous statement, a 3pt shot is the highest scoring play in the game. So the equivalent would be home runs in baseball, not triples. 102 home runs, to be exact.What does it mean that they have scored more 3 pt shots than any other team in history? The next three top marks were set by teams that never made it to the finals, some didn't even survive the first round of the playoffs. It's like achieving the mlb team record for most triples in a season.
No, he doesn't need to do any of that. All he needs to do is win another MVP next year to surpass MJ who has never had back to back to back MVPs.Steph is indeed phenomenal and I agree with your points here, except this arbitrary claim that he is getting better year-to-year in a way that Jordan never did.
It's not only arbitrary, but if you honestly are trying to take this silly statement seriously, then you need to send Steph off to 1.5 seasons of minor league ball right now (the peak of his career), watch him improve drastically at this secondary sport during that course (most people recall Jordan floundering, but he was seriously starting to up his BA and OPS faster than anyone else had at that level during that final summer AA all-stars league--he was actually really good), then return to the NBA, change his offensive game around completely, become a top tier defender out of nowhere, win some more MVPs, and win 3 straight championships.
Steph needs to do exactly that and more to claim that he is "improving year-to-year" more than Jordan did; because we already know that Jordan did that.
Or, just not. Because it's a silly claim.
No, he doesn't need to do any of that. All he needs to do is win another MVP next year to surpass MJ who has never had back to back to back MVPs.
Besides, Steph and co are already doing things that MJ and his Bulls haven't including taking the 72 win record from him with 73 in an era with greater parity.
You got it there. I've always detested Shaq's style of play, and so was never a Shaq fan. I think that style of basketball was a terrible aberration of what basketball is all about, which should be athleticism, agility, quickness, hand-eye coordination, wit, smarts, and moreover the ability to see into the future, at least a few seconds. Bulling into and through your opponent with muscle-force should never be tolerated.So you're saying the league is not as good today as it was in the 80's and 90's? Is it the players are not so good or is it the style of play isn't as good? If the later then why have the coaches changed the style to be worse? What rule changes can you blame for making the game worse?
The 80's and 90's were more low post stuff with poor shooting big men like Shaq. Steph brings the fast/agile/dead-eye shooting little guys back into the game as they were in the 70's and I think that's a great thing. I'd much rather watch Steph drain a 3 from 40 feet than watch Shaq bull his way into the paint, step up on his tippy toes, and drop the ball through the hole.
Brian
This is pure BS. Curry is a product of his own ethic and work. He's playing in today's NBA, yes, so that's the environment in which he thrives, but give the guy credit for making himself what he is in this context.This isn't a knock on Curry, he's simply a product of today's league and any keen or even casual observer of the sport would know this while delusion fanboys would not.
This is pure BS. Curry is a product of his own ethic and work. He's playing in today's NBA, yes, so that's the environment in which he thrives, but give the guy credit for making himself what he is in this context.
Well I can agree with you on that ... it's not enough to have a couple good years and MJ got 5 rings so Steph has four more to equal. It will be hard to see another team as dominant as the Bulls were in there era, but I wouldn't count the Warriors out just yet. Who would have believed another team would equal let alone surpass 72 wins in a season.
Brian
And you're still harping on PER. I said it was possible that Curry could surpass MJ and Wilt due to him improving his defense. Keep in mind that Curry is much smaller than Lebron and MJ so he's already at a disadvantage for rebounds and defense. We've never seen someone this small put up a single season PER like this in NBA history.
MJ only had a VORP (Value Over Replacement Player) higher than Curry's season this year only 3 times (all 1987-1990). In fact, MJ has never had 4 years of constantly improving VORP like Curry has. He had 3 from 1986-1989 (never in the 90's even against worse-era competition), and he went from 8.8 to 12.0 while Curry went from 5.6 to 9.8. You do the math of which is better percentage wise. And your assumption that Curry has reached his apex this year is hilarious, that's what they said about him last year along with his team and you saw what they did.
You didn't even address the point that Curry is the greatest offensive weapon ever due to him being a better shooter, dribbler, and passer than MJ. Just watch this. MJ couldn't dream of making a 52 footer before each game on a consistent basis.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:15215750
Yeah, Chuck Daly of the Detroit Pistons fame is lamenting the rules aren't the same that his team used -- and abused. The rules began to limit the rough stuff when MJ was in the game and some would argue the rules were tightened BECAUSE MJ was in the game. The Bulls didn't fare too well against the Pistons when outright thugery was part of the game and it was only after they began to limit the physical stuff that MJ and the Bulls took over.
So, saying MJ would score 50 today is laughable, but during the heyday of the Pistons MJ didn't score very much against them.
So, the question is, do you want to go back the the rough stuff that made it difficult for players like MJ to shine or do you think that style of play is best left to the Octagon and the Rink?
Brian
How do you not know that MJ has 6 rings???
And fyi, it would/could most likely have been 8 if someone close to him wasn't murdered. In fact when he did retire for two years, EVERYONE in the league collectively sighed as they realized they NOW all had a chance to win a ring w/o Jordan in the league. It was a given to most that MJ could have won as many rings as he could stand to play.
That's debatable. Those two years, the Rockets had an amazing team. I'm 50:50 on them beating the Rockets in 7 game series, especially without the changes made for the 96 Bulls to dominate as they did.
That's debatable. Those two years, the Rockets had an amazing team. I'm 50:50 on them beating the Rockets in 7 game series, especially without the changes made for the 96 Bulls to dominate as they did.
"Greater parity?"
The league in the 1990s was full of Hall of Famers, especially on the big man side. The Vancouver and Toronto expansion did thin the herd, but when players like Stoudemire and Abdur-Rahim instantly came in to give those teams legitimate stars, the parity quickly returned. On top of that, go look at some of the names that played back in Jordan's day. He wasn't playing scrubs and the 1990s were loaded with Hall of Fame big men.
And I don't care if Curry wins the next 8 MVP awards in a row. That doesn't make him better than Jordan. They're not playing in the same eras. Today's NBA is dominated by 3 pointers, flopping, weird Euro steps and crab dribbles, and zone defenses. In the 1990s it was fast breaks, defense, rebounding, and half court sets.
If Jordan played today his numbers would undoubtedly IMPROVE while if Steph had to play in 1995 his numbers would undoubtedly DECREASE. This isn't a knock on Curry, he's simply a product of today's league and any keen or even casual observer of the sport would know this while delusion fanboys would not. This is no different than any other sport where rules change and game play alters to take advantage of the rules. Stars of different rule sets would have different statistics if they were swapped around. The NBA today is the perfect environment for a player of Curry's unique talents to flourish while the 80s and 90s were not.
How do you not know that MJ has 6 rings???
And fyi, it would/could most likely have been 8 if someone close to him wasn't murdered. In fact when he did retire for two years, EVERYONE in the league collectively sighed as they realized they NOW all had a chance to win a ring w/o Jordan in the league. It was a given to most that MJ could have won as many rings as he could stand to play.
I'll take 50/50, even tho my money would have been on the bulls. However I believe one major thing that propelled the Bulls in the 2nd 3-peat was the maturing of Pippen to dominate games with Jordan gone. He was really the energizer through the season in the '97 and '98 seasons as Jordan was aging, and that maturing may not have been as significant (1.8 secons aside) had Jordan kept playing, and that may have made a difference against the Rockets...may have.
Plus, they replaced Horace Grant with Rodman eventually (and say what you will about his personality and antics, the guy was a genius at crashing boards and defending). I just don't see them having an answer to Hakeem.
no you don't get it. A 4-win team like the Sixers once beat one of the league's best teams this season....therefore greater parity....