Is Steph Curry already the best shooter in NBA history?

[purbeast0]

im on a jordan youtube binge now thanks to this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bDKq4O8bhc

check out around 3:55 he has curry's range no prob!

 

[thesmokingman]

just came across this from the link above.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL--gQ2AvJY

there is literally ZERO comparison with atleticism between jordan and curry. jordan is BY FAR a better athlete from that video alone.

and holy shit ... the #1 play in that highlight reel...

All anyone needs to watch is the 86 playoffs game vs the Celtics. 63pts against an all time great Celtics team. It was literally a one vs five game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsRu0x_bQeY

 

[Miramonti]

Yes, most Hall of Famers are fanboys of Curry.

They should be fanboys, because this last year he's taken part of the game to a level never seen before. However there are two types of delusional people who reference his game...the Oscar Robertson type who deny what he's doing is great, and the SP33Demon type, who claim he's now the GOAT. And I didn't see any of your type in your quotes. The closest of quotes (authenticity not verified) was Magic, who states a big 'IF in 4-5 years', and even that's still without both oars in the water imo.

Wrong, MJ isn't even in the top 18. :biggrin:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/dws_career.html

Curry just led the league in steals for the first time in his career but keep hating.

Thanks for proving my point.

With a rating of 64.13 Jordan is the #1 defensive [pure] shooting guard in the history of both the ABA and NBA (sf/sg havlicek omitted). If you pick top defenders by position, Jordan is 1st team all defense in the history of the league. Not bad considering, overall, the highest defensive win shares are dominated by shot blocking big men who park in the paint.

But since Defensive Win Shares is an accumulative stat, let's break down Curry vs. Jordan:
Jordan: 1072 games, 64.1 career DWS, or .05979 per game
Curry: 495 games, 18.4 career DWS, or .03717 per game

Jordan's DWS is a 55.8% improvement over Curry's average impact on a game. In other words, Curry could double his impact over the next 7 years of his career...and still fall short of Jordan's DWS.

If Curry is going to be considered the new GOAT, he must consistently fare a LOT higher defensively when ranked among his historical and active peers than he has been to date, among [many] other things.

 

[Miramonti]

im on a jordan youtube binge now thanks to this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bDKq4O8bhc

check out around 3:55 he has curry's range no prob!

Oh stop...that's a video game and not a real baller!

Jordan was the ultimate fast, quick, strong, athletic, combination and with the endurance of a world class athlete. His ability to raise up at the end of games while not slacking midstream to save energy is legendary. Exhaustion can bring anyone down, yet somehow he was usually in a league of his own down the stretch (even when his shot failed him.)

 

[SP33Demon]

You are going to go off of that to tell how good a defender Jordan was? Looking by the list, is it defensive rebounds, block and steals that count? That is just like someone telling us PER determines how awesome an all around player someone is. The only SG / SF ahead of him on that list is John Havlicek. The NBA All-Defensive Team has been done since 1968-1969 and only two players have more total honors than Jordan.

I will just pull one name off that list ahead of Jordan:

Patrick Ewing

I saw Jordan abuse Ewing several times. Here is one you can enjoy as well.

There are others on that "list" ahead of Jordan that I think Jordan was better defensively than. I do not recall Jordan getting taken to the hole or shown up all that much.

Another one is Karl "My Elbows Fly Everywhere" Malone that I laughed when I saw that list. He made three first teams and one second team. Nicely done Elbows.

You claimed he was top 5/10 and he's not. Own up to it like a man or don't post, the stats are calculated the same for everyone.

 

[SP33Demon]

just came across this from the link above.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL--gQ2AvJY

there is literally ZERO comparison with atleticism between jordan and curry. jordan is BY FAR a better athlete from that video alone.

and holy shit ... the #1 play in that highlight reel...

Dumbest argument since a 3pt is worth more than a dunk any day of the week.

I'll let you reread what Grant Hill said since you have a short memory. Athleticism alone doesn't = greatness.

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Grant Hill:
Quote:
“It’s hard for some people to accept, because he’s so little,” said Hill, a seven-time All-Star and two-time NCAA champion. “We’ve been sort of brainwashed to think that you have to be big and strong, and that the exciting players are the jumpers and dunkers and people who play above the rim.

“Now you’ve got this little guy who is making everybody look foolish. It’s almost like people think he and the Warriors are a gimmick, like it’s not real. I’m like, ‘Look, they’ve very real, and this style of play is here to stay.’”

“It’s very unusual to have a guy who is the MVP come back this much better,” Hill said. “I don’t know if we’ve seen this much improvement from one year to the next from an MVP. If you didn’t have C.J. McCollum having the year he’s having, you could argue that Steph Curry is also the Most Improved Player.

“The confidence that he’s playing with, the things that he’s doing, how he’s dominating: It’s remarkable and efficient. It’s almost like he’s playing with people out there. He’s doing whatever he wants.

He might be the best player ever.”
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It's ok to like MJ, but Curry is the new MJ. Get over it, the living legends already have. The majority are already picking him over even Lebron like Ewing when asked who he would start a franchise with. Lebron is superior to even MJ athletically and he's being overshadowed by Curry's greatness.

 

[zinfamous]

I have this great stock tip Sp33d, and I want to include you in on this investment. This thing is up 233% this year, and 450% over the last two years.

Just ignore the 6 years before that and if you believe the math that I believe, this thing is going to be FANTASTIC for the next 10 years. Just give me $20k and I'll make you a millionaire in 15 years.

I swear it. But you must act now!

 

[Adrenaline]

You claimed he was top 5/10 and he's not. Own up to it like a man or don't post, the stats are calculated the same for everyone.

Actually, I did not. I think he is better defensively than people ahead of him on that list easily. Some of them just park themselves in the lane for defensive rebounds, block and steals. Sure, it will make their little defensive shares look good.

Where are their all defensive honors at? When I look at the list for who has more than Jordan, I see five people total and only two people that had as many first teams that got more total NBA All-Defensive Team honors:

Congratulations to Kobe and Garnett.

Here is the quote you are referencing:

Jordan is a top 5/10 defensive player all time, while Curry's not even top 50...among point guards alone. Must be nice to save up that much energy for 30 footers.

See, this quote was not from me. Own up to it like a man that you can't comprehend what you read.

Go pull up NBA all defensive lists made by people from all over. Jordan is constantly in the top 10 on lists. But oh wait, that will mess with a precious list you posted that takes into account what Guards do not do most of the time. Jordan's position was SG.

 

[MrSquished]

im on a jordan youtube binge now thanks to this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bDKq4O8bhc

check out around 3:55 he has curry's range no prob!

great vid

 

[zinfamous]

im on a jordan youtube binge now thanks to this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bDKq4O8bhc

check out around 3:55 he has curry's range no prob!

But Curry made some shots at half court--best shooter ever!

(FWIW--I do agree that Curry is likely the best shooter ever. I'm pretty sure he's only going to establish that before he's done. Still a bit too early to be so certain of things, obviously)

 

[Miramonti]

You claimed he was top 5/10 and he's not. Own up to it like a man or don't post, the stats are calculated the same for everyone.

Because you decided DWS accumulated over a career, regardless of amount of games or position played, is how God determines defensive worthiness? Even when it shows Curry's impact equal to a teenage sweat-mopping court wiper? Please don't impose your unintelligent argument as if it represents the intelligence of others here. I stand by what I said.

I have this great stock tip Sp33d, and I want to include you in on this investment. This thing is up 233% this year, and 450% over the last two years.

Just ignore the 6 years before that and if you believe the math that I believe, this thing is going to be FANTASTIC for the next 10 years. Just give me $20k and I'll make you a millionaire in 15 years.

I swear it. But you must act now!

Lol!

 

[SP33Demon]

Because you decided DWS accumulated over a career, regardless of amount of games or position played, is how God determines defensive worthiness? Even when it shows Curry's impact equal to a teenage sweat-mopping court wiper? Please don't impose your unintelligent argument as if it represents the intelligence of others here. I stand by what I said.

Your statement has nothing to do with Curry. You claimed MJ was top 5 and he's not even top 18. You can knock DWS all you want but until you can come up with a better stat it's the best we have. Just own it, only unintelligent people can't admit when they've talked out of their ass. Otherwise there's no need to take you seriously anymore since you are incapable of intelligent discourse on statistics.

 

[thesmokingman]

Guys this poster is just trolling at this point. He's dug his trench and he's not moving from it no matter what. Time to let thread die.

 

[DesiPower]

God... we are still discussing this... Adam's pet circus monkey vs basketball player... move on guys

 

[smackababy]

I love all the quotes by the legends. Like they are going to come out and say "Oh, Curry? Yeah he's a little bitch and ain't got nothing on MJ or me." Come on now... Well, unless it's KG. ^_^

 

[Miramonti]

Your statement has nothing to do with Curry. You claimed MJ was top 5 and he's not even top 18. You can knock DWS all you want but until you can come up with a better stat it's the best we have. Just own it, only unintelligent people can't admit when they've talked out of their ass. Otherwise there's no need to take you seriously anymore since you are incapable of intelligent discourse on statistics.

I'll take that as a concession Curry's a little bitch on defense, lol.

 

[Muse]

I'm trying to decide whether you are on crack or not?

I'm not on crack (am on my first cup of coffee this morning), and I agree with him. I'm a casual observer because I've only see the games broadcast on ABC, and saw 2-3 in a bar this year. But the things I saw astounded me. Jordan never impressed me the way Steph does. Jordan had a great will to win, but blow your mind with his offensive game the way that Curry does, come on...

Jordan's a legend, and legends take on a life of their own. But compare what Steph has done this year with a legend? Talk about apples and oranges...

I'll take that as a concession Curry's a little bitch on defense, lol.

He did lead the league in steals/game this year. What's your trip?

 

[RossMAN]

Anyone else watch tonight's game? Currently in 3rd quarter on TNT.

 

[DesiPower]

yeah, very interesting game but bitch's irrelevant, who cares about him, fuck him

 

[Muse]

yeah, very interesting game but bitch's irrelevant, who cares about him, fuck him

What is this, the ultimate thread crap? D:

Anyone else watch tonight's game? Currently in 3rd quarter on TNT.

I missed it, am getting it from this morning's SF Chronicle. Man, I missed a great one. Well, obviously it was the last few minutes of the 4th quarter and in particular the OT that was OMG. What I feel I missed was seeing that OT! I would like to see that in HD! Well, in my imagination, that's why I'm reading the paper.

TBH, watching Saturday's game, I turned off the sound midway through the 3rd quarter, the 3 announcers were bugging the shit out of me. It was so much more peaceful and less aggravating watching the game without their then incessant self-involved banter.

 

[thesmokingman]

I'm not on crack (am on my first cup of coffee this morning), and I agree with him. I'm a casual observer because I've only see the games broadcast on ABC, and saw 2-3 in a bar this year. But the things I saw astounded me. Jordan never impressed me the way Steph does. Jordan had a great will to win, but blow your mind with his offensive game the way that Curry does, come on...

Jordan's a legend, and legends take on a life of their own. But compare what Steph has done this year with a legend? Talk about apples and oranges...

He did lead the league in steals/game this year. What's your trip?

Dude, what's your deal? Are you saying Steph is already the best ever? Look at my sig below. That's what you know who is saying. We've all already agreed Steph is the best shooter, pure shooter or whatever you wanna call it in the NBA. That doesn't make him the GOAT obviously which is what that other poster was saying.

Is that what you're saying too now? It's very typical of ppl to forget what came before because they never knew shit like this even happened, like you.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...sday-michael-jordans-69-point-18-rebound-game

 

[gorobei]

curry gets 1st unanimous vote mvp
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...warriors-first-unanimous-most-valuable-player

 

[Bird222]

All anyone needs to watch is the 86 playoffs game vs the Celtics. 63pts against an all time great Celtics team. It was literally a one vs five game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsRu0x_bQeY

Bulls lost that game though.

 

[zinfamous]

Bulls lost that game though.

Hey, there are some that wanted LeBron to get MVP in last year's losing finals, because it was essentially a 1 v 5 for the entire series.

 

[SP33Demon]

Dude, what's your deal? Are you saying Steph is already the best ever? Look at my sig below. That's what you know who is saying. We've all already agreed Steph is the best shooter, pure shooter or whatever you wanna call it in the NBA. That doesn't make him the GOAT obviously which is what that other poster was saying.

Is that what you're saying too now? It's very typical of ppl to forget what came before because they never knew shit like this even happened, like you.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...sday-michael-jordans-69-point-18-rebound-game

And Curry is the greatest offensive weapon ever, yes even greater than MJ. Get off MJ's dick, he can only dream of shooting from anywhere on the court and making it.

Let alone Curry did something MJ has never ever done - score the most points in overtime, ever. MJ may be the best all around player (except... Lebron lol) but Curry is the greatest offensive player ever doing shit MJ could never do with a ball in his hands. Go watch more highlight reels of dunks and we'll watch highlight reels of scoring on Sportscenter every morning. Steph has reinvented how the game is played by using the 3ball, even the Cavs are copying that blueprint these playoffs. The game has forever been changed because of Steph's scoring (yes even driving in the lane) prowess in the same way that Wilt changed the game. Never has a player been feared in the modern era like Steph outside of Lebron.