Is Steph Curry already the best shooter in NBA history?

[vi edit]

I just want to point this out about Lebron. So much emphasis on Curry and his 17 points in OT...

Last year, game 5 of the finals....in Oakland...

James had his second triple-double of this NBA Finals series, posting 40 points, 14 rebounds, and 11 assists. James led all players in points, rebounds and assists, and was responsible for 70 of 91 Cavaliers points (40 scored, 30 assisted).[48] It was his sixth career finals triple double, second all-time behind only Magic Johnson with 8. James also tied Oscar Robertson for most 30–10–10 playoff games with 8. He became the second player in NBA Finals history to score 40 points in a triple double after Jerry West in 1969.[49][50]

Read that and absorb.

 

[SP33Demon]

NBA teams are wussies in this era, always switching on defense. No one plays man on man anymore, full isolation. Back in the day when it was superstar vs superstar. I kind of miss Kobe for that, the last warrior from Jordan's era. Would Curry be able to shoot over Bron one on one, with no bro halp me switch on D? Would he be able to shutdown MJ on one?

^clear lack of basketball knowledge here. Ever heard of a pick and roll?

MJ and Lebron cannot run through guys like big men like Bogut/Speights/Klay. All Curry needs is an astounding 4 tenths of a second to get his shot off. That's why he's virtually impossible to stop off a pick and roll. Your one on one scenario is some dreamland BS, basketball is a team game not boring iso shit from the 90's. Go play horse with your friend and stop watching the nba if that's all you think is important to win in basketball.

 

[SP33Demon]

I just want to point this out about Lebron. So much emphasis on Curry and his 17 points in OT...

Last year, game 5 of the finals....in Oakland...

James had his second triple-double of this NBA Finals series, posting 40 points, 14 rebounds, and 11 assists. James led all players in points, rebounds and assists, and was responsible for 70 of 91 Cavaliers points (40 scored, 30 assisted).[48] It was his sixth career finals triple double, second all-time behind only Magic Johnson with 8. James also tied Oscar Robertson for most 30–10–10 playoff games with 8. He became the second player in NBA Finals history to score 40 points in a triple double after Jerry West in 1969.[49][50]

Read that and absorb.

And Lebron needed 34 shots to get 40 points (made only 15 of them). Is 37% FG supposed to be special or something? Curry shot 13-23 and almost had 40 points (37). So, who shot significantly better and with more efficiency? Better yet, who won the game by 13 points? Not the guy who took 34 shots. lol. Stats don't mean shit when you shoot like shit and can't lead a team to a ring.

 

[vi edit]

Curry also had 5 TO's.

Sorry but putting the blame on Lebron for the series last year when you are down two all stars for most of the series puts a damper on your chances. For Golden State Andre Iguodala was the real hero. He had several game changing shots, dunks and defensive stops throughout the series. He was the real key to GS pulling that out. And was given the MVP appropriately.

 

[chitwood]

Everyone knew Steph was going to get it because of their record and he's had an awesome year as well but no he's not the true MVP. A true MVP like say LeBron or Chris Paul means that without that player their team is done. Warriors are an awesome team with awesome players and Curry is awesome. They still won without him and won when he sat out so many 4th quarters. The Warriors are a stacked team and would still be a very good team even without Curry because of how deep they are. If Chris Paul or LeBron wasn't on their respective teams, their team would be much worse. That's what MVP is supposed to mean. But we all knew Curry was going to get it, that's how MVP goes.

I agree with this, this was a topic on a couple of podcasts I listen to.

They need to not call it 'MVP'. College hoops has this award, but they call it 'Player of the Year.' Steph Curry was the Player of the Year in the NBA. LeBron is the MVP.

 

[SP33Demon]

If Lebron was really the MVP, why did he go 0 for 130? Makes no sense, and these are analysts paid to write about the NBA (i.e. they know more than everyone in this thread about the sport).

Read this and see if you still think Lebron should have gotten even 1 vote.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/15492948/the-numbers-steph-curry-incredible-mvp-season

Best improvement for any MVP in NBA history, even beating Bird's 84-85 PER improvement.

Curry is not only the league's MVP -- he also could have been its MIP: Curry improved his player efficiency rating by more than any reigning MVP in history. In 1984-85, Larry Bird increased his PER by 2.3 points, the highest increase at the time for a reigning MVP. Curry's improvement: 3.5.

Best ever rate for 4th Q dominance, yes better in the 4thQ than MJ/Lebron/whoever else.

During the regular season, Curry dominated in crunch time for the Dubs. He averaged 50.4 points per 48 minutes in fourth quarters in 2015-16, the highest rate since the league started tracking that stat in 1996.

Best in the NBA in the lane/driving:

1) In the lane: Curry wasn't just an elite shooter from 3 this season. He somehow led the league in field goal percentage on layups this season at 68.7 percent (minimum 150 attempts).

Is over 50% shooting between 28ft and the half court line (yes even better than regular 3's):

3) From way downtown: Curry made 51.6 percent of shots between 28 feet and the half-court line (47 feet) in 2015-16. The rest of the NBA hit 20.8 percent. Curry made more deep 3s than 10 NBA teams combined.

Hit more 3's than an entire NBA team:

Curry nailed more 3s than everyone on the Bucks combined in 2016. Better yet: since Dec. 1.

More 3's in 2 seasons than Larry Legend and MJ's entire careers:

Steph made 39 more 3s over this season and last (688) than Larry Bird did in his 13-year career (649). Curry has hit 107 more in that span than MJ did (581) in his 15 years.

Better PER compared to MJ during his record 72-win season:

Curry's PER of 31.5 was the best for a guard since Michael Jordan's 1990-91 season. And MJ in the Bulls' 72-win season? A 29.4 PER, a sizable gap compared to Curry in the Warriors' 73-win campaign.

Best in secondary assists:

Curry also topped the NBA in "hockey assists" -- defined as passes that lead to an assist -- with 2.5 per game this season. Last season he ranked a more mortal second, at 1.8.

Best in points off the pick and roll:

Curry doesn't just shoot brilliantly: He also creates plays for his teammates at an elite level, and particularly in the pick-and-roll. When Steph is the ball handler on pick-and-rolls, his points per direct pick are the highest in the league.

Best in Points off screens:

A word of advice for defenders: Do NOT go under a screen when Curry is the ball handler. Steph's points per possession on such plays is an absurd 1.24, by far the best in the league among players with 100 such chances.

Best in Contested 3's Off the Dribble:

A double whammy of difficulty, Steph made 200 of these shots (more than 26 teams) and made a ridiculous 42.5 percent of them.

Best in Quality Shot Creation:

Quantified shot quality, or QSQ, accounts for shot location, defender location and what type of shot it was (catch-and-shoot, off the dribble, etc.), among other variables. We can use this same metric to identify shots off passes, too, and no player created higher-quality looks for his teammates than Steph Curry. When Curry passes to a teammate, if that teammate were a league-average shooter from that spot, they would have an effective FG% of 57.9 percent, first in the NBA and well above the league average.

Is your brain dizzy yet? If you accept these truths and still think Bron Bron is MVP you are nuts. Steph is not only the best shooter in NBA history but a better passer than Lebron and arguably the best passer in the league at identifying the open man. He's not only the best at shooting 3's but the best at driving and finishing in the lane. And last I checked lebron never led his team to 73 wins. That alone makes Steph MVP, GS is a 40 win team without him. He is the ultimate offensive weapon and team player. Hail to the MVP. Will be great to see him win a 3rd one in a row next year as long as he's healthy.

 

[Muse]

Everyone knew Steph was going to get it because of their record and he's had an awesome year as well but no he's not the true MVP. A true MVP like say LeBron or Chris Paul means that without that player their team is done. Warriors are an awesome team with awesome players and Curry is awesome. They still won without him and won when he sat out so many 4th quarters. The Warriors are a stacked team and would still be a very good team even without Curry because of how deep they are. If Chris Paul or LeBron wasn't on their respective teams, their team would be much worse. That's what MVP is supposed to mean. But we all knew Curry was going to get it, that's how MVP goes.

That is incorrect. That's just one interpretation of what the MVP of the league represents. That measure of MVP is relatively insignificant. The MVP should be the player who is the best, all things considered. There's no other award for this kind of thing in the league. Is this kind of thing clear? No, it's got to be subjective and not clearly determined.

 

[thesmokingman]

That is incorrect. That's just one interpretation of what the MVP of the league represents. That measure of MVP is relatively insignificant. The MVP should be the player who is the best, all things considered. There's no other award for this kind of thing in the league. Is this kind of thing clear? No, it's got to be subjective and not clearly determined.

Oh is it? Then why didn't Curry win the 2015 Finals MVP?

 

[Muse]

Oh is it? Then why didn't Curry win the 2015 Finals MVP?

Because that was a different award with different criteria, and it was looking at the finals only, not the season performance.

 

[thesmokingman]

Because that was a different award with different criteria, and it was looking at the finals only, not the season performance.

The best player ever loses the Finals MVP to a bench player?

 

[BudAshes]

That was spectacular. Can't wait for the next series since this one is already over(Draymond>Jordan)

 

[thesmokingman]

This was funny. Point blank, is Steph better scorer than Jordan? "Not no, but hell nah!" "he's Bruce Leroy, he got the glow!"


https://youtu.be/e9_PZ4dbSHU?t=72


edit for the longer video

 

[Muse]

The best player ever loses the Finals MVP to a bench player?

Yeah, so? That "bench player" pretty much shut down Lebron James (or at least slowed him down considerably), who was the opponents majorly dominant player. It doesn't prove or say much about Curry one way or the other.

The Warriors are a super deep team, they live the strength in numbers ethos. Iguodala is the lynch pin of the bench, the relief squad revolves around him. The team often does better when he's on the floor than when it's the starters. You can't think of an NBA team (and especially the Warriors) as 5 starters and a bench.

 

[thesmokingman]

Yeah, so? That "bench player" pretty much shut down Lebron James (or at least slowed him down considerably), who was the opponents majorly dominant player. It doesn't prove or say much about Curry one way or the other.

Lmao, you are so sad. Definitions of most valuable can bend however you rationalize it ya? Btw, Kenny and Chuck say hell no.

 

[Miramonti]

Props to Curry for winning mvp. And that 17 in OT was pretty sick.

 

[Miramonti]

Best regular season shooter? lol

 

[KlokWyze]

lol so low....

 

[cubby1223]

So... are now back to LeBron as the next Jordan?

 

[lupi]

If Lebron was really the MVP, why did he go 0 for 130? Makes no sense, and these are analysts paid to write about the NBA (i.e. they know more than everyone in this thread about the sport).

Read this and see if you still think Lebron should have gotten even 1 vote.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/15492948/the-numbers-steph-curry-incredible-mvp-season

Best improvement for any MVP in NBA history, even beating Bird's 84-85 PER improvement.


Best ever rate for 4th Q dominance, yes better in the 4thQ than MJ/Lebron/whoever else.


Best in the NBA in the lane/driving:


Is over 50% shooting between 28ft and the half court line (yes even better than regular 3's):


Hit more 3's than an entire NBA team:


More 3's in 2 seasons than Larry Legend and MJ's entire careers:


Better PER compared to MJ during his record 72-win season:


Best in secondary assists:


Best in points off the pick and roll:


Best in Points off screens:


Best in Contested 3's Off the Dribble:


Best in Quality Shot Creation:


Is your brain dizzy yet? If you accept these truths and still think Bron Bron is MVP you are nuts. Steph is not only the best shooter in NBA history but a better passer than Lebron and arguably the best passer in the league at identifying the open man. He's not only the best at shooting 3's but the best at driving and finishing in the lane. And last I checked lebron never led his team to 73 wins. That alone makes Steph MVP, GS is a 40 win team without him. He is the ultimate offensive weapon and team player. Hail to the MVP. Will be great to see him win a 3rd one in a row next year as long as he's healthy.

If Curry was the MVP, why didn't he show up?

 

[DesiPower]

If Curry was the MVP, why didn't he show up?

He did show up, you couldn't see him cuz he was in bitch mode.

 

[QueBert]

So... are now back to LeBron as the next Jordan?

After his performance in these finals and a down 3-1 never done before come back I could see it being a valid argument. I put him above Kobe after tonight. He has a ways to go to pass Jordan, but it's doable if he has 2 or 3 more seasons like this one. And at worst he'll in the top 3 all time, and imho anyone who argues that isn't worth wasting my time discussing basketball with. And even though the Warriors aren't the best team ever like their crazy fans have been saying. They have an elite team and James took them down, which is a feat.

I suspect sp33Demon won't post again in this thread. I'll add this and be gone myself

James > Curry.

 

[edro]

Curry is too nervous in crunch time.
As he matures, that may get better with time.

King James > Lil Curry

 

[purbeast0]

lulz i think we all know SP33Demon is going to be MIA for a bit.

 

[Mai72]

He ain't shat!

 

[preslove]

Best regular season shooter, ever.

Meh playoff shooter.