Is student debt worth it for medical school?

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Red Squirrel

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I don't think any debt is worth it when it comes to school. If you don't get match for residency you might just be screwed.

This.

Don't spend absurd amounts of money on ANYTHING until you have an actual income. If you have to work at a low end job for a few years while you live with mom and dad so you can pickup money for school, then so be it.

On the other hand, the medical field has such a high demand that the odds of getting a good job are very good, so if there was one degree I would gamble with, it would be medical.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I certainly think that the student loan industry is predatory and absolutely disgusting. That said, I agree, people borrowing hundreds of thousands of dollars without any idea of how the repayment process is going to go is insane and stupid.

I wonder if in 10 years reimbursement rates will have fallen to the point that becoming a physician makes no financial sense at all. I wouldn't recommend many health fields these days.
 

TheSlamma

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If your looking for pure money, why become a doctor? Much more lucrative to become an investment banker or work in a Equity or Derivatives field. MUCH more lucrative with much less school needed and much easier workload.

It makes no sense to chose to become a doctor just for the money, many other easier ways to do that.
When the economy tanks those fields tank too, I don't care what the economy does there will ALWAYS be sick people.

Just wait, we're seeing house flipping coming back again at bubble rates and the stock market is at BS levels while everyone is saying "it's still cheap", we're in for another ride downhill again soon. a.k.a. "correction"
 

alkemyst

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I don't think any debt is worth it when it comes to school. If you don't get match for residency you might just be screwed.

Once you get into med school, as long as you do what you need to you are getting through it.

The thing is just being a generalist or psychologist working for a large firm may not be enough money in some markets.

In NY, esp NYC; she should be well set even as a GP; however is small rural areas those doctors may be making only about $100k if lucky, psychologists less.

http://www1.salary.com/Doctor-Salary.html

For many doctors they are coming out of medical school with about $150k-200k in debt. Most doctors are making over $150k per year and many over $200k.

The biggest deal they face is malpractice insurance.
 

alkemyst

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When the economy tanks those fields tank too, I don't care what the economy does there will ALWAYS be sick people.

Just wait, we're seeing house flipping coming back again at bubble rates and the stock market is at BS levels while everyone is saying "it's still cheap", we're in for another ride downhill again soon. a.k.a. "correction"

The problem is doctors are seeing less and less money when the economy tanks and people decide to cancel health plans.
 

iGas

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I'm not sure if debt is worth it or not, but IMHO your friend should talk to fresh grads in the medical field for their opinions.

That said, my GF is a pediatrician from Asia. And, in Canada the salary for a pediatrician on the average is 10% more than a family doctor. To her, being a pediatrician is a very satisfying career, however it doesn't leave her much time for a social life or family due to the overnight shifts as well as emergencies. Currently she is studying at home to qualify for Canada, and is hopping to get into dermatology for her post grad because it doesn't require weekend, graveyard, or emergency work.
 

iGas

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Once you get into med school, as long as you do what you need to you are getting through it.

The thing is just being a generalist or psychologist working for a large firm may not be enough money in some markets.

In NY, esp NYC; she should be well set even as a GP; however is small rural areas those doctors may be making only about $100k if lucky, psychologists less.

http://www1.salary.com/Doctor-Salary.html

For many doctors they are coming out of medical school with about $150k-200k in debt. Most doctors are making over $150k per year and many over $200k.

The biggest deal they face is malpractice insurance.
Malpractice insurance generally pay by the hospital, unless it is a private practice.

My brother in-law father was a general surgeon in Toronto and his malpractice insurance was paid by the hospital (around $36,000 per annum at the end of his career).

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Harrod

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I wouldn't hesitate to go into debt for something like that, however I would try to keep the debt as low as possible and probably move to a cheaper place to live. I'm sure if your studying all the time anyways, there's probably no point in living in an area like New York, unless we are talking about the state and not the city.
 
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I wouldn't hesitate to go into debt for something like that, however I would try to keep the debt as low as possible and probably move to a cheaper place to live. I'm sure if your studying all the time anyways, there's probably no point in living in an area like New York, unless we are talking about the state and not the city.

If you study alot, then you're definitely going to need to go out when you do take a break.
 

jagec

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If you study alot, then you're definitely going to need to go out when you do take a break.

Doesn't mean that you have to spend a lot of money though. Take a page from the philosophy major playbook and just drink heavily with your friends.
 

Carson Dyle

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Put it this way:

Would you rather be $250,000 in debt with an M.D. from a good school, or $100,000 in debt with a B.A. in History or English Literature from the same school? Plenty of people choose the latter, but not many people have the talent or the opportunity for the former.
 

Babbles

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Put it this way:

Would you rather be $250,000 in debt with an M.D. from a good school, or $100,000 in debt with a B.A. in History or English Literature from the same school? Plenty of people choose the latter, but not many people have the talent or the opportunity for the former.
Comparing costs and the implication of future income between a graduate or professional program and undergrad is pretty asinine.
 

Carson Dyle

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Comparing costs and the implication of future income between a graduate or professional program and undergrad is pretty asinine.

If you think it's asinine, you're not very bright (or maybe you have a History degree).

Many people are willing to go into a great deal of debt for meaningless, genuinely worthless degrees, yet the OP's friend questions going into debt for degree that is very much not worthless.
 

Tiamat

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M.D. Ph.D usually don't have to take student loans as they are generally paid stipends. One of my friends went this route.
 

Elixer

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It is by no means a sure thing that she will graduate, so, she still could rack up tons of debt with nothing to show for it.
 

fstime

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M.D. Ph.D usually don't have to take student loans as they are generally paid stipends. One of my friends went this route.

This path is probably the most challenging and time consuming out of any educational route also however.
 
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If you think it's asinine, you're not very bright (or maybe you have a History degree).

Many people are willing to go into a great deal of debt for meaningless, genuinely worthless degrees, yet the OP's friend questions going into debt for degree that is very much not worthless.

Most people are not collecting $100k worth of debt for an undergrad degree. And you're comparing a degree that requires you to already have a degree (and possibly some indebtedness) to a degree that doesn't have that same prerequisite. It's an apples and oranges comparison.

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  • 34.4 percent graduated with no debt.
  • 12.0 percent graduated with $1-$9,999 in debt.
  • 18.2 percent graduated with $10,000-$19,999 in debt.
  • 15.5 percent graduated with $20,000-$29,999 in debt.
  • 8.9 percent graduated with $30,000-$39,999 in debt.
  • 5.3 percent graduated with $40,000-$49,999 in debt.
  • 5.3 percent graduated with $50,000-$99,999 in debt.
  • 0.5 percent graduated with over $100,000 in debt.
But color me shocked - people on a tech board rag on people getting degrees in non-STEM fields. There are plenty of useful skills you can learn in a more humanities based field, it's simply a matter of translating those skills and marketing yourself. I'd hate to live in a society filled with people that think STEM is better than everything else (despite having a degree in science myself). It would be a pretty boring place to live without the other fields that can enrich and enlighten our lives.
 
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M.D. Ph.D usually don't have to take student loans as they are generally paid stipends. One of my friends went this route.

Good luck getting into one of those programs - there are few slots, they're highly competitive, and you're going to be in school for 7+ years, since you're doing an MD and PhD. You also better like doing research, otherwise, you'll hate yourself everyday in the lab while doing your PhD.
 

CottonRabbit

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Better question is is it worth it to sacrifice 4 years in medical school and 3+ years in residency. Trying to do it only for earning potential will leave you jaded and burnt out or a radiologist or both.
 

kevman

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what does it mean to her? Is it her life's passion to be in the medical profession? if so then it is worth it, if not , she needs to reevaluate what she is doing.
 
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Doesn't mean that you have to spend a lot of money though. Take a page from the philosophy major playbook and just drink heavily with your friends.

The Manhattan schools will have affordable student housing, so really the additional costs from going out for food isn't that much extra compared to the overall cost of school. Now drinks in the city...
 

Slew Foot

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I wonder if in 10 years reimbursement rates will have fallen to the point that becoming a physician makes no financial sense at all. I wouldn't recommend many health fields these days.

This, medi-cal in CA is paying anesthesia........... $8/hr!! Yes, below minimum wage, not sure how they get around that. Of course, I dont know of anyone who accepts medi-cal as their sole payment, if they are forced to take it (emergent cases), the hospital provides compensation.
 

Scarpozzi

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School debt $150-200k + undergrad.
4 years undergraduate, 4 years med school + 3 years residency...

Potential earning is $0-200k a year or more if specializing or doing surgery, but hours are rough and the work can be rough or easy depending on practice and/or hospital.

States are all different and the time/school debt is a lot or risk to eat. Mal practice insurance and insurance is making the margins tighter, but there is still a lot of money in healthcare.

I know a guy that finished school from a school that wasn't accredited here so he had to go to Cal to practice
 
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