Is teleportation possible?

[manowar821]

There are a couple ways that theoretically work.

First is the way that has already been done. It involves literally destroying the original materials structure and reconstructing it atom by atom someplace else. They already performed this method a couple of years ago. This type of transportation is not viable for living things, because the matter would be constructed correctly, but the data imprinted in the brain requires constant power, much like RAM does, so it would be lost. Basically, it would create a dead body. But it COULD work for inanimate objects.

The second method involves quantum physics, and using a "tunnel through space-time" to literally transport the original from one place to another. This type of transportation is entirely possible, but the physics are beyond our comprehension at the moment, and the power requirements would be astronomical... Hehe, the game Supreme Commander feeds this theory some good fan-service ;P.

Both methods transport the original MATTER, but one destroys the structure and rebuilds it, and the other ACTUALLY moves the object "underneath" or "outside" of our perceivable universe...

Sorry, I wrote a book it seems. I enjoy this topic, though.

The Star Trek method IS de-constructing the matters structure. It's just far more reliable than what we can do.

Of course, there is always the third method, which is wormholes. I don't know as much about that subject, but I hear it's about as plausible as the quantum theory. All I know is I LOVE the show Stargate.

The whole reason why people have this fascination with teleportation is because of the space-time issues with traveling as fast as, or faster than light. In our universe, it's said that time would STOP if you reach light speed, or effectively stop as you approach it. If we can get OUTSIDE our own universe, we don't have to worry about breaking those rules, we can simply go around them. Pretty neat stuff, if you ask me. I just wish that all this political nonsense would die off, so that we could get some REAL scientific advancement underway. We're capable of so much more than killing one another and watching american idol. What a waste!

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: manowar821
There are a couple ways that theoretically work.

First is the way that has already been done. It involves literally destroying the original materials structure and reconstructing it atom by atom someplace else. They already performed this method a couple of years ago. This type of transportation is not viable for living things, because the matter would be constructed correctly, but the data imprinted in the brain requires constant power, much like RAM does, so it would be lost. Basically, it would create a dead body. But it COULD work for inanimate objects.

The second method involves quantum physics, and using a "tunnel through space-time" to literally transport the original from one place to another. This type of transportation is entirely possible, but the physics are beyond our comprehension at the moment, and the power requirements would be astronomical... Hehe, the game Supreme Commander feeds this theory some good fan-service ;P.

Both methods transport the original MATTER, but one destroys the structure and rebuilds it, and the other ACTUALLY moves the object "underneath" or "outside" of our perceivable universe...

Sorry, I wrote a book it seems. I enjoy this topic, though.

The Star Trek method IS de-constructing the matters structure. It's just far more reliable than what we can do.

Of course, there is always the third method, which is wormholes. I don't know as much about that subject, but I hear it's about as plausible as the quantum theory. All I know is I LOVE the show Stargate.

The whole reason why people have this fascination with teleportation is because of the space-time issues with traveling as fast as, or faster than light. In our universe, it's said that time would STOP if you reach light speed, or effectively stop as you approach it. If we can get OUTSIDE our own universe, we don't have to worry about breaking those rules, we can simply go around them. Pretty neat stuff, if you ask me. I just wish that all this political nonsense would die off, so that we could get some REAL scientific advancement underway. We're capable of so much more than killing one another and watching american idol. What a waste!

Humans' existence isn't all about research and science. It's about living enjoyable lives and furthering our population, and often science and research just happens to be apart of that, for example with computers and medicine. If an area of research seems way too radical to ever achieve significant progress that would benefit anyone, no one's going to bother funding it or caring about it, they have better things to worry about. We can't live in some fantasy world where all we do is research cool things all the time with unlimited funds. THAT'S why the politics are involved and things move slowly in this field. It might be done eventually, but not until people see tangible results worth funding.

With that said, I agree with you that it's not practical to use the first method for living beings. You'd have to essentially recreate the brain's information and who's going to want to attempt or rely on that. The second method is possible for human teleportation, but I'm glad we won't be around if and when they ever discover how to do such things. I have a feeling once we start mucking with other universes (if they even exist) our understanding of science will have gone too far and bad things will ensue.

 

[opticalmace]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: opticalmace

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: 0

Originally posted by: Injury
Time travel is not possible.

Time is a concept created by humans... it's merely a measurement of the earth's position in relation to the sun at any moment.

So as soon as you can possibly figure out how previous forms of us merely loop our lives over and over day by day in the past without it being apparent you won't even put a slight fingerprint in the discovery of time travel.

If time is a concept created by humans, then explain the relativistic effects of slowing time as the speed of light is approached. Time is a physical entity, as tangible as matter and energy and is fundamental to the fabric of the universe. Hardly a created concept - unless you assume everything is.

So let me get this straight...

..you believe that if YOU (or whatever object you are attempting to make travel through time) start travelling faster than the speed of light, then the entire EARTH will somehow slow down and biologically everything on it will be reduced to a slower pace of life while this is happening?

Believe what you want, but AFAIC, time travel is just a dream that humans made up to give them the tiniest most minute shread of hope that their past ******-ups can be fixed.

No, not faster than the speed of light--approaching it.
The person (object?) travelling at this high speed will not age at the same rate as those on Earth. In, let's say, 10 years of his travel, perhaps 60 have passed on Earth.

Okay... so how does that make time travel possible? Furthermore, has you or anyone been able to prove this?

I never said time travel was possible. I was only correcting you.

However, I believe in quantum physics when determining probabilities of elementary particle interactions you need to account for the probabilities of photons being emitted *before* they've been absorbed, which is kind of "traveling back in time." Though I may be mistaken.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Souless
It has been proven that with intensive gravity such as a black hole time does seem like it slows down to the point where weeks can go by on the "outside"(area not effected by gravity) while hours go by near the source depending on how strong the gravitational field is.

Yeak, I saw that episode of SG1 too.

Welcome to the Forums!

Fern

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Wow, actually a neat thread No contribution here, I'm just reading.

 

[Kirby64]

Originally posted by: everman
Look up quantum entanglement.

Wikipedia on Quantum Entanglement

Man, all this stuff is so confusing. Gives me a brain ache trying to understand it all. The Quantum Mechanics article is even worse.

Crazy stuff. Too advanced for me. I'll stick with struggling with my Calculus.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: opticalmace

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: opticalmace

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: 0

Originally posted by: Injury
Time travel is not possible.

Time is a concept created by humans... it's merely a measurement of the earth's position in relation to the sun at any moment.

So as soon as you can possibly figure out how previous forms of us merely loop our lives over and over day by day in the past without it being apparent you won't even put a slight fingerprint in the discovery of time travel.

If time is a concept created by humans, then explain the relativistic effects of slowing time as the speed of light is approached. Time is a physical entity, as tangible as matter and energy and is fundamental to the fabric of the universe. Hardly a created concept - unless you assume everything is.

So let me get this straight...

..you believe that if YOU (or whatever object you are attempting to make travel through time) start travelling faster than the speed of light, then the entire EARTH will somehow slow down and biologically everything on it will be reduced to a slower pace of life while this is happening?

Believe what you want, but AFAIC, time travel is just a dream that humans made up to give them the tiniest most minute shread of hope that their past ******-ups can be fixed.

No, not faster than the speed of light--approaching it.
The person (object?) travelling at this high speed will not age at the same rate as those on Earth. In, let's say, 10 years of his travel, perhaps 60 have passed on Earth.

Okay... so how does that make time travel possible? Furthermore, has you or anyone been able to prove this?

I never said time travel was possible. I was only correcting you.

However, I believe in quantum physics when determining probabilities of elementary particle interactions you need to account for the probabilities of photons being emitted *before* they've been absorbed, which is kind of "traveling back in time." Though I may be mistaken.

Right... and I get what people are saying in regards to physics and all that stuff, and I'm not arguing the "time bends" and crap, what I'm saying is that you can't freely move through time and it's entirely impossible to do so. I question it all but it's a different subject than the point I'm making. Aging people at a different rate is not time travel. The world still moves along even though you're flying at the speed of light. The only time that truly exists is right now. Yeah, the past happened, but any of those moments are no longer in existance. It's done. It's over with. Nothing ANYONE does can can find some archived copy of that very moment, frozen in time forever. Just like moving a person at the speed of light only exists in theory, the future only exists in theory. We have records and memory of the past existing, but in reality it's all just a concept that no longer exists.


Finally, all of this crap is theoretical AT BEST because as it stands, we have yet to make a solid object of any sort, organic or not, that can travel anywhere NEAR the speed of light. But again, that's something entirely different.

 

[Willoughbyva]

I don't have a scientific background, but I believe that tele-portation is real. I am unsure about "objects" time travel, but I think that there can be communication through time, which is some type of object I guess.


Perry

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: opticalmace

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: opticalmace

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: 0

Originally posted by: Injury
Time travel is not possible.

Time is a concept created by humans... it's merely a measurement of the earth's position in relation to the sun at any moment.

So as soon as you can possibly figure out how previous forms of us merely loop our lives over and over day by day in the past without it being apparent you won't even put a slight fingerprint in the discovery of time travel.

If time is a concept created by humans, then explain the relativistic effects of slowing time as the speed of light is approached. Time is a physical entity, as tangible as matter and energy and is fundamental to the fabric of the universe. Hardly a created concept - unless you assume everything is.

So let me get this straight...

..you believe that if YOU (or whatever object you are attempting to make travel through time) start travelling faster than the speed of light, then the entire EARTH will somehow slow down and biologically everything on it will be reduced to a slower pace of life while this is happening?

Believe what you want, but AFAIC, time travel is just a dream that humans made up to give them the tiniest most minute shread of hope that their past ******-ups can be fixed.

No, not faster than the speed of light--approaching it.
The person (object?) travelling at this high speed will not age at the same rate as those on Earth. In, let's say, 10 years of his travel, perhaps 60 have passed on Earth.

Okay... so how does that make time travel possible? Furthermore, has you or anyone been able to prove this?

I never said time travel was possible. I was only correcting you.

However, I believe in quantum physics when determining probabilities of elementary particle interactions you need to account for the probabilities of photons being emitted *before* they've been absorbed, which is kind of "traveling back in time." Though I may be mistaken.

Right... and I get what people are saying in regards to physics and all that stuff, and I'm not arguing the "time bends" and crap, what I'm saying is that you can't freely move through time and it's entirely impossible to do so. I question it all but it's a different subject than the point I'm making. Aging people at a different rate is not time travel. The world still moves along even though you're flying at the speed of light. The only time that truly exists is right now. Yeah, the past happened, but any of those moments are no longer in existance. It's done. It's over with. Nothing ANYONE does can can find some archived copy of that very moment, frozen in time forever. Just like moving a person at the speed of light only exists in theory, the future only exists in theory. We have records and memory of the past existing, but in reality it's all just a concept that no longer.


Finally, all of this crap is theoreticaly AT BEST because as it stands, we have yet to make a solid object of any sort, organic or not, that can travel anywhere NEAR the speed of light. But again, that's something entirely different.

Well, if you could somehow get into a dimension where you can observe time, not just time, but the different possibilities of time, you could perhaps be able to go back to an earlier possibility of any given momment.

 

[Rubycon]

It would sure make things convenient wouldn't it?

Kind of crazy this day and age that people use cars to get around. 1800 kg car to carry a 60 kg person. :disgust:

 

[LcarsSystem]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Lifted
Not if you're religious, unless you also believe the soul is material and can be "transported".

It's not possible even if you're not religious, troll. :roll:


You see, real non-Star Trek science has this thing known as the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, which essentially means that teleportation of anything with mass is scientifically impossible.

That's why in Star Trek they have, what's called the, "Heisenberg compensators" built into their transporter systems; it's only a matter of time till we invent something like this... See Gene Roddenberry thought of it all people!

 

[BeauJangles]

I think the more interesting question, which has been raised here, is whether the person that emerges on the other side is really you? Sure, they would have identical structure, but would that be YOU and not just an identical clone? I'm inclined to believe it wouldn't be you.

 

[Skotty]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
I think the more interesting question, which has been raised here, is whether the person that emerges on the other side is really you? Sure, they would have identical structure, but would that be YOU and not just an identical clone? I'm inclined to believe it wouldn't be you.

I'm not religious, but this would be my concern as well. Souls or not, I wouldn't want to be teleported unless they put all the same atoms back in the same places on the other side. Maybe it's all in our heads and doesn't really matter, but otherwise, I still can't help but think the original me would be gone and the clone, though believing itself to be me, really wouldn't be. I don't like that idea.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: 0
If time is a concept created by humans, then explain the relativistic effects of slowing time as the speed of light is approached.

What's to explain? Relativistic effects are precisely what we'd expect to observe if time were not an objective reality.

Time is a physical entity, as tangible as matter and energy and is fundamental to the fabric of the universe.

No, it simply is not. There is no "stuff" that space-time is "made up of." It is not a medium. It is an abstraction.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Skotty

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
I think the more interesting question, which has been raised here, is whether the person that emerges on the other side is really you? Sure, they would have identical structure, but would that be YOU and not just an identical clone? I'm inclined to believe it wouldn't be you.

I'm not religious, but this would be my concern as well. Souls or not, I wouldn't want to be teleported unless they put all the same atoms back in the same places on the other side. Maybe it's all in our heads and doesn't really matter, but otherwise, I still can't help but think the original me would be gone and the clone, though believing itself to be me, really wouldn't be. I don't like that idea.

It would still be you, as you would have been had you emerged. I can see where your coming from, would be an odd feeling. I think it would be more along "I died, and now I'm back, am I really me?"

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: opticalmace

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: opticalmace

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: 0

Originally posted by: Injury
Time travel is not possible.

Time is a concept created by humans... it's merely a measurement of the earth's position in relation to the sun at any moment.

So as soon as you can possibly figure out how previous forms of us merely loop our lives over and over day by day in the past without it being apparent you won't even put a slight fingerprint in the discovery of time travel.

If time is a concept created by humans, then explain the relativistic effects of slowing time as the speed of light is approached. Time is a physical entity, as tangible as matter and energy and is fundamental to the fabric of the universe. Hardly a created concept - unless you assume everything is.

So let me get this straight...

..you believe that if YOU (or whatever object you are attempting to make travel through time) start travelling faster than the speed of light, then the entire EARTH will somehow slow down and biologically everything on it will be reduced to a slower pace of life while this is happening?

Believe what you want, but AFAIC, time travel is just a dream that humans made up to give them the tiniest most minute shread of hope that their past ******-ups can be fixed.

No, not faster than the speed of light--approaching it.
The person (object?) travelling at this high speed will not age at the same rate as those on Earth. In, let's say, 10 years of his travel, perhaps 60 have passed on Earth.

Okay... so how does that make time travel possible? Furthermore, has you or anyone been able to prove this?

I never said time travel was possible. I was only correcting you.

However, I believe in quantum physics when determining probabilities of elementary particle interactions you need to account for the probabilities of photons being emitted *before* they've been absorbed, which is kind of "traveling back in time." Though I may be mistaken.

Right... and I get what people are saying in regards to physics and all that stuff, and I'm not arguing the "time bends" and crap, what I'm saying is that you can't freely move through time and it's entirely impossible to do so. I question it all but it's a different subject than the point I'm making. Aging people at a different rate is not time travel. The world still moves along even though you're flying at the speed of light. The only time that truly exists is right now. Yeah, the past happened, but any of those moments are no longer in existance. It's done. It's over with. Nothing ANYONE does can can find some archived copy of that very moment, frozen in time forever. Just like moving a person at the speed of light only exists in theory, the future only exists in theory. We have records and memory of the past existing, but in reality it's all just a concept that no longer.


Finally, all of this crap is theoreticaly AT BEST because as it stands, we have yet to make a solid object of any sort, organic or not, that can travel anywhere NEAR the speed of light. But again, that's something entirely different.

Well, if you could somehow get into a dimension where you can observe time, not just time, but the different possibilities of time, you could perhaps be able to go back to an earlier possibility of any given momment.

and I'm telling you that is impossible. That dimension doesn't exist because there is no way to rewind things, the past only exists in memories and on paper, and the future hasn't happened already in some other dimension.

 

[Crono]

For anyone looking at this from the religious (specifically Christian point of view), yes teleportation is possible. Anything Christ did in his resurrected body, resurrected believers will be able to do, which includes being able to control the elements, walk through solid objects, being invulnerable and immortal, and teleport. In the Bible, the Holy Spirit also took people and made them disappear and reappear at another location instantaneously.

Adam and Eve before the Fall also may have been able to teleport, though the Bible doesn't say whether they could or couldn't (IRC). They most likely could, probably having all the capabilities that resurrected believers will have.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: LcarsSystem

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Lifted
Not if you're religious, unless you also believe the soul is material and can be "transported".

It's not possible even if you're not religious, troll. :roll:


You see, real non-Star Trek science has this thing known as the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, which essentially means that teleportation of anything with mass is scientifically impossible.

That's why in Star Trek they have, what's called the, "Heisenberg compensators" built into their transporter systems; it's only a matter of time till we invent something like this... See Gene Roddenberry thought of it all people!

Heh. Did you know that the transporters came about in Star Trek because, during filming for the pilot, the contractor for the shuttlecraft sets and props was weeks behind schedule? So Roddenberry had to wing it and viola! the transporter beam was the answer!

While I love Star Trek, I admit that it really is more science fantasy than science fiction. I mean, c'mon, the ships have an "up" and a "down" and they come to a "full stop" IN SPACE!! Up, down, and full stop.... relative to what? And (this question has plagued me for years) assuming that one actually could come to a full stop in space (doubtful as there is literally nothing in space that is not moving), does the opposite of the time dilation effect of approaching the speed of light occur? Does time become infinitely fast? And if that were true, then is time merely an "echo" of one's speed relative to light?

Anyway, teleportation is really not possible from the current scientific viewpoint. There is a corollary of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle known as the No Teleportation Theorem (Quantum Entanglement transfers states, not energy or matter). Now, it's true that some might look at this the same as those who said we would never break the sound barrier, but there are genuine obstacles involved in copying quantum information.