Is the 4 day work week a possiblity to help the oil problem?

techs

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I seem to remember back in the 70's there was some emergency plan to force major corporations into a 4 day work week in the event of an oil crisis.
Now that its 30 years later, and we have the computer and the internet, I wonder why we aren't considering it.
Of course, this is one of those decisions where a single company may find it not worthwhile, yet if most of them did it, it would become worthwhile for that company.
So, at least in the summer, how about 4 day work weeks, of 10 hours a day.
Three day weekends for the summer, FTW!

UPDATE:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200.../ts_nm/usa_workweek_dc

Workers shifting to 4-day week to save gasoline

When Ohio's Kent State University offered custodial staff the option of working four days a week instead of five to cut commuting costs, most jumped at the chance, part of a U.S. trend aimed at combating soaring gasoline prices.

"We offered it to 94 employees and 78 have taken us up on it," said university spokesman Scott Rainone.

The reason is simple: rising gas prices and a desire to retain good workers. And while so far only the university's custodians are eligible, Rainone hopes the option will be offered to all departments -- including his own.

"In our office, we have people who travel anywhere from five or six miles to a couple who are on the road 45 to 50 minutes," Rainone said. "As the price of gas rises, the level of grumbling rises."

Regular gasoline averages $3.94 a gallon in the United States, up 33 cents in the past month and 88 cents since the beginning of the year, the Energy Information Administration said this week.

The federal government has offered four-day workweeks to eligible employees for years as part of a flexible work program that also includes telecommuting.

But the surge in gasoline prices is pushing more private employers as well as local governments to offer a four-day week as a perk that eliminates two commutes a week.

Staff at Neighborhood Development Services in rural northeastern Ohio were talking about quitting to find work closer to their homes when executive director Dave Vaughan stepped in with offers to compress their work week.

"I didn't want to lose people," Vaughan said of the program, which more than half of his 19 employees began last week. "In rural areas like we are, gas price increases are more challenging because we don't have the mass transit alternative -- we can't jump on a bus or take a train."

Eventually, Vaughan hopes to close the office one day a week, further reducing energy costs.

In America's struggling automaking heartland, the shorter workweek offers employers a way of rewarding employees when the budget does not allow a salary increase, said Oakland County, Michigan, executive L. Brooks Patterson.

"By allowing employees to work four 10-hour days it will save them 20 percent on their commute costs and ease the financial pinch of filling up their cars," said Patterson, who last week proposed the compressed week for county workers
 

blackangst1

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Yeah that would help. Another idea is what I work...12 hour shifts 3/4 days a week alternating. Less payroll also
 

nageov3t

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I'd love to go on a 4-day schedule since it seems like I work 10 hours/day anyways, but it probably wouldnt do much for my department that requires 24/7 coverage except lead to fewer people per shift.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: loki8481
I'd love to go on a 4-day schedule since it seems like I work 10 hours/day anyways, but it probably wouldnt do much for my department that requires 24/7 coverage except lead to fewer people per shift.

That's the problem that my company has also. We work 5 - 10 hour days and 6 on Saturday. I sugested to start by working 4 - 12 hours and then 8 on Friday or 3 - 12 hours and 10 on Thursday and Friday to eliminate Saturday and help those that drive in on Saturday. I've never heard so much moaning and groaning. "I don't want to work a few 12 hour days...I would rather work Saturday" or "12 hour days wear you out too fast" (without thinking that you now get off early Friday and have two days off to rest).

Some of those complainers drive 1.5 hours each way to work...so I'm not sure how they even make any money on Saturdays anyway.

I personally feel it's a great idea to eliminate a day (from 5 to 4 or from 6 to 5). Someone is always going to complain though regardless of what is decided.
 

bamacre

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What we need to do is make better use of today's technologies and have more people work at home.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: bamacre
What we need to do is make better use of today's technologies and have more people work at home.

While you can do that on many things (computer programming for example and I agree that it should be done), it's difficult to do it in many professions. Try building machines from home or running the cash register at Walmart from home (well, Walmart and many others are eliminating checkers anyway to go to more self checkout stations). More could be done but many jobs just don't allow it.

Interesting that many schools are looking at a longer school day for 4 days a week to help conserve gas (and save money) on buses. Several are just going to cut bus services but while that will save the school short term money, it will cause more fuel to be used as people are forced to drive their children to school using many cars now.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: bamacre
What we need to do is make better use of today's technologies and have more people work at home.

While you can do that on many things (computer programming for example and I agree that it should be done), it's difficult to do it in many professions. Try building machines from home or running the cash register at Walmart from home (well, Walmart and many others are eliminating checkers anyway to go to more self checkout stations). More could be done but many jobs just don't allow it.

Definitely, it's not something that could be done with all employees. But just doing it where it can be done is significant. There's not going to be one single thing we can do, there's going to be many things we'll have to do to better our situation. I just think this is one area that no one is really talking about, and something that could be implemented in a short amount of time.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: bamacre
What we need to do is make better use of today's technologies and have more people work at home.

While you can do that on many things (computer programming for example and I agree that it should be done), it's difficult to do it in many professions. Try building machines from home or running the cash register at Walmart from home (well, Walmart and many others are eliminating checkers anyway to go to more self checkout stations). More could be done but many jobs just don't allow it.

Definitely, it's not something that could be done with all employees. But just doing it where it can be done is significant. There's not going to be one single thing we can do, there's going to be many things we'll have to do to better our situation. I just think this is one area that no one is really talking about, and something that could be implemented in a short amount of time.

I agree that it will help. I also think that many cities can help gas mileage and consumption by retiming the traffic lights. Too many times a large line of traffic will be stopped (after starting from a major intersection) at a minor intersection just to let one car out. A few Michigan cities help eliminate this by not having left turns. If you want to go left, you go to a U turn lane and make a turn and then turn right onto your intersection. This eliminates holding main lines up for those left turn lights. Also, traffic circles can be used to help eliminate stops altogether.

I agree, there are lots of things that can help gasoline useage even on today's cars. Add new technologies or develope exsiting technologies on the cars and significant mileage gains can be made.

But eliminating 1/5 of the work week driving or so surely would help.
 

brandonb

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Originally posted by: techs
I seem to remember back in the 70's there was some emergency plan to force major corporations into a 4 day work week in the event of an oil crisis.
Now that its 30 years later, and we have the computer and the internet, I wonder why we aren't considering it.
Of course, this is one of those decisions where a single company may find it not worthwhile, yet if most of them did it, it would become worthwhile for that company.
So, at least in the summer, how about 4 day work weeks, of 10 hours a day.
Three day weekends for the summer, FTW!

This is the first post I've seen from you which made any sense. You deserve a :beer:
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: bamacre
What we need to do is make better use of today's technologies and have more people work at home.

While you can do that on many things (computer programming for example and I agree that it should be done), it's difficult to do it in many professions. Try building machines from home or running the cash register at Walmart from home (well, Walmart and many others are eliminating checkers anyway to go to more self checkout stations). More could be done but many jobs just don't allow it.

Definitely, it's not something that could be done with all employees. But just doing it where it can be done is significant. There's not going to be one single thing we can do, there's going to be many things we'll have to do to better our situation. I just think this is one area that no one is really talking about, and something that could be implemented in a short amount of time.

I agree that it will help. I also think that many cities can help gas mileage and consumption by retiming the traffic lights. Too many times a large line of traffic will be stopped (after starting from a major intersection) at a minor intersection just to let one car out. A few Michigan cities help eliminate this by not having left turns. If you want to go left, you go to a U turn lane and make a turn and then turn right onto your intersection. This eliminates holding main lines up for those left turn lights. Also, traffic circles can be used to help eliminate stops altogether.

I agree, there are lots of things that can help gasoline useage even on today's cars. Add new technologies or develope exsiting technologies on the cars and significant mileage gains can be made.

But eliminating 1/5 of the work week driving or so surely would help.

The traffic light thing is interesting. Never thought of that...could work!
 

Brovane

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I could do a lot of my work from home. However the company I work for has a hard time letting people work from home. They are old school style management where they have to see you working to make sure the job is getting done. I am not sure how to get over this management blockage.
 

feralkid

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: bamacre
What we need to do is make better use of today's technologies and have more people work at home.

While you can do that on many things (computer programming for example and I agree that it should be done), it's difficult to do it in many professions. Try building machines from home or running the cash register at Walmart from home (well, Walmart and many others are eliminating checkers anyway to go to more self checkout stations). More could be done but many jobs just don't allow it.

Definitely, it's not something that could be done with all employees. But just doing it where it can be done is significant. There's not going to be one single thing we can do, there's going to be many things we'll have to do to better our situation. I just think this is one area that no one is really talking about, and something that could be implemented in a short amount of time.

I agree that it will help. I also think that many cities can help gas mileage and consumption by retiming the traffic lights. Too many times a large line of traffic will be stopped (after starting from a major intersection) at a minor intersection just to let one car out. A few Michigan cities help eliminate this by not having left turns. If you want to go left, you go to a U turn lane and make a turn and then turn right onto your intersection. This eliminates holding main lines up for those left turn lights. Also, traffic circles can be used to help eliminate stops altogether.

I agree, there are lots of things that can help gasoline useage even on today's cars. Add new technologies or develope exsiting technologies on the cars and significant mileage gains can be made.

But eliminating 1/5 of the work week driving or so surely would help.

Continuous left turn lanes really help to prevent this problem; If only more people realized that they should merge into the turn lane, THEN apply the brakes, not the other way around, it would work even better.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The employer should be responsible for transportation to and from work.

In Brasil and Mexico, you often see this. There will be several spots around town for certain buses or vans to pick up employees for certain companies. Since most people don't have cars, they walk to the closest pick up point and catch a company paid van or bus. It would take a drastic situation in the US to get companies to go this far....not out of the realm of possibility, but still difficult.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: brandonb
Originally posted by: techs
I seem to remember back in the 70's there was some emergency plan to force major corporations into a 4 day work week in the event of an oil crisis.
Now that its 30 years later, and we have the computer and the internet, I wonder why we aren't considering it.
Of course, this is one of those decisions where a single company may find it not worthwhile, yet if most of them did it, it would become worthwhile for that company.
So, at least in the summer, how about 4 day work weeks, of 10 hours a day.
Three day weekends for the summer, FTW!

This is the first post I've seen from you which made any sense. You deserve a :beer:

Here's a few other thoughts off the top of my head:

While many businesses couldn't go to a 5 day week, restaurants, etc, if even 20 percent of those workers who drive to work on the 5th day didn't have to, the amount of gas saved would be huge. And with that much decreased demand on gas, the refineries could shift over to heating oil sooner, lowering the price of heating oil in the winter.

Another advantage is that three days off a week in the summer would allow people that extra day at their vacation destination for no additional gasoline. In fact, what they save from not driving to work that extra day becomes money spent at their vacation spot.

Money spent on vacations and recreation is money well spent. Instead of buying more cheap WalMart crap where the money goes to China, spending on vacations mostly stays in America (services, food, rentals, etc).

It is also cheaper to cool factories for 4 days versus 5 in the summer, though that might be somewhat offset by workers using electricity at home. At the least, companies will also save money on things like janitorial services, garbage pickup, which might only have to be performed 4 days instead of 5.
 

b0mbrman

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How about a staggered work day? Where some companies start at 8, some at 9, some at 10, so that we don't burn so much fuel in traffic?
 

Lonyo

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: bamacre
What we need to do is make better use of today's technologies and have more people work at home.

While you can do that on many things (computer programming for example and I agree that it should be done), it's difficult to do it in many professions. Try building machines from home or running the cash register at Walmart from home (well, Walmart and many others are eliminating checkers anyway to go to more self checkout stations). More could be done but many jobs just don't allow it.

Depending on the type of setup, line work can be more efficient if you do fewer longer days.
Obviously shift production can't benefit, but over summer I worked in a food factory, and we did 4x9hr and 1x5hr. Given that we needed ~40mins/day to set up everything and clean at the end of the day, by working 4x10hr days and skipping day 5 we would have got more work done (after breaks etc), worked fewer hours and had an extra day off.
Obviously if you're pretty much 24/7 production in shifts that doesn't help, but in production where you have to set everything up and clean when you're finished you can save time by doing fewer days and therefore skipped one days worth of setup/cleaning.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The employer should be responsible for transportation to and from work.

In Brasil and Mexico, you often see this. There will be several spots around town for certain buses or vans to pick up employees for certain companies. Since most people don't have cars, they walk to the closest pick up point and catch a company paid van or bus. It would take a drastic situation in the US to get companies to go this far....not out of the realm of possibility, but still difficult.

I'd be on the short bus for sure
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: bamacre
What we need to do is make better use of today's technologies and have more people work at home.

While you can do that on many things (computer programming for example and I agree that it should be done), it's difficult to do it in many professions. Try building machines from home or running the cash register at Walmart from home (well, Walmart and many others are eliminating checkers anyway to go to more self checkout stations). More could be done but many jobs just don't allow it.

Depending on the type of setup, line work can be more efficient if you do fewer longer days.
Obviously shift production can't benefit, but over summer I worked in a food factory, and we did 4x9hr and 1x5hr. Given that we needed ~40mins/day to set up everything and clean at the end of the day, by working 4x10hr days and skipping day 5 we would have got more work done (after breaks etc), worked fewer hours and had an extra day off.
Obviously if you're pretty much 24/7 production in shifts that doesn't help, but in production where you have to set everything up and clean when you're finished you can save time by doing fewer days and therefore skipped one days worth of setup/cleaning.


We can do that to some extent but we are building machines as in machine shop. We are already working 12 hours per day M-F, 8 on Saturday and 6 on Sunday (voluntary overtime). I've proposed working the longer days when we go back to regular schedule, which is 10 M-F and 6 on Saturday. I've proposed to work 12 M-Thursday and 8 on Friday thus eliminating Saturday. Never herd such a bunch of cry babies when I proposed that..."I don't want to work 12 hours...I would rather work Saturday" or "12 hours makes me too tired" (even though they would now get two days off instead of one).

We're not in production work in as in a factory, we design and build machinery for factory automation and assembly.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The employer should be responsible for transportation to and from work.

In Brasil and Mexico, you often see this. There will be several spots around town for certain buses or vans to pick up employees for certain companies. Since most people don't have cars, they walk to the closest pick up point and catch a company paid van or bus. It would take a drastic situation in the US to get companies to go this far....not out of the realm of possibility, but still difficult.

I'd be on the short bus for sure

I think that's been your problem all alone!
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
How about a staggered work day? Where some companies start at 8, some at 9, some at 10, so that we don't burn so much fuel in traffic?

my uncle worked in downtown chicago for 40 years and started work at 5:30 to avoid traffic
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: bamacre
What we need to do is make better use of today's technologies and have more people work at home.

While you can do that on many things (computer programming for example and I agree that it should be done), it's difficult to do it in many professions. Try building machines from home or running the cash register at Walmart from home (well, Walmart and many others are eliminating checkers anyway to go to more self checkout stations). More could be done but many jobs just don't allow it.

Depending on the type of setup, line work can be more efficient if you do fewer longer days.
Obviously shift production can't benefit, but over summer I worked in a food factory, and we did 4x9hr and 1x5hr. Given that we needed ~40mins/day to set up everything and clean at the end of the day, by working 4x10hr days and skipping day 5 we would have got more work done (after breaks etc), worked fewer hours and had an extra day off.
Obviously if you're pretty much 24/7 production in shifts that doesn't help, but in production where you have to set everything up and clean when you're finished you can save time by doing fewer days and therefore skipped one days worth of setup/cleaning.


We can do that to some extent but we are building machines as in machine shop. We are already working 12 hours per day M-F, 8 on Saturday and 6 on Sunday (voluntary overtime). I've proposed working the longer days when we go back to regular schedule, which is 10 M-F and 6 on Saturday. I've proposed to work 12 M-Thursday and 8 on Friday thus eliminating Saturday. Never herd such a bunch of cry babies when I proposed that..."I don't want to work 12 hours...I would rather work Saturday" or "12 hours makes me too tired" (even though they would now get two days off instead of one).

We're not in production work in as in a factory, we design and build machinery for factory automation and assembly.

In other words, you take alot of coffee breaks, strolls around the campus, 2 hour lunches, and neffing AT.



JOKE!!!!!
 

magomago

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Missing 1 one day would hurt output. I think a better idea is to see if people can do more and more work at home. With computers and the way technology is, it should be possible for a few people. One of my friend's dad goes in to the office every week or two because they are trying to cut costs. Meetings are done online, and they have work phones they constantly use. The downside? He doesn't think working at home is as efficient
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The employer should be responsible for transportation to and from work.

In Brasil and Mexico, you often see this. There will be several spots around town for certain buses or vans to pick up employees for certain companies. Since most people don't have cars, they walk to the closest pick up point and catch a company paid van or bus. It would take a drastic situation in the US to get companies to go this far....not out of the realm of possibility, but still difficult.

I'd be on the short bus for sure

I think that's been your problem all alone!

Yeah, well...at least I have a cool helmet!
 
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