Is the A64 3500+ faster than the 3400+?

LiquidX

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Well I am down to the last stages of building my new system but I just cant figure which one to get. I would rather speed over weather one is s939 or not. Can you guys please tell me your opinion on which is the better choice. System will run stock in everything and by the time I will even consider upgradeing I will be getting a whole new system most likely. So which will be faster at stock settings?

Here are the specs of both CPU's. The 3500+ seems to match the specs of the 3200+ but is s939. Any opinion is welcome.

3400+ s754
Specification
Model: AMD Athlon 64 3400+
Core: Newcastle
Operating Frequency: 2.4GHz
FSB: Integrated int chip
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.5V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket 754
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included)

3500+ s939
Specification
Model: AMD Athlon 64
Core: Newcastle
Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz
FSB: Integrated into Chip
Cache: L1/64+64KB; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.5V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket 939
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: Retail
 

TStep

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This is a good article that shows the 939 and 754 platform differences and the .09 vs .13 differences. They equalize the speeds of the cpus tested to show how each stack up.
 

LiquidX

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The thing is after all my searching there isnt a clear answer. Every review I have checked for the 3400+ seems to be reviewing the Clawhammer and not the Newcastle which is 2.4. Very hard with so many different CPU's at almost exactly the same speed.
 

xclusivex

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If you plan on keeping everything stock then no.. its not worth the extra 50 bux.. + as of right now the 754 socket has some pretty damn nice boards out, however if you choose to risk overclocking at all id say get the 3000+ socket 939 and spend the 100 bux you just saved on some decent ram and overclock the thing to like 2.5 ghz.. making it faster than the 3800+ and the FX-53
 

Abix

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Depends on what youre looking for upgradewise and pricewise...

If you want to be a bit cheaper at the moment and not have a very good upgrade path in the future, go with the socket 754. Theres a wider variety of boards with a wider variety of features out for socket 754 at the moment then there is for socket 939. However, socket 939 supports dual channel unbuffered ram, and is going to be the socket that the next generation of AMDs CPUs are going to be on.

In short:
Low price, low upgradability, lotta features: Socket 754
Higher price, great upgradability, few boards with not a great variety(yet): Socket 939
 

lnin0

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I am stuck trying to figure out the entire thing as well.

I don't plan to overclock so speed-wise it looks so close I can't see spending extra cash for an unoticable gain.

However, the upgrade path clouds the picture a bit more. 754 doesn't look like it is going to last much past 3700+, which would hardly be worth the price to upgrade. I also don't think BTX or PCIX are going to be as popular in that socket as well.

Look at the 939 and you have 4000+ and much more coming on down the road so a cheap 1ghz cpu bump down the road might work out at the expense of only a single component.

If you already own a powerfull and expensive AGP card from the current crop then I think you can pretty much rule out any type of thrifty video upgrade in the future with either socket. Since most of us will be moving to PCIX when upgrading to our next video card I can't see anyone buying AMD now who won't need a differnt system board later. I think both sockets will probably have PCIX options so you can just carry over your existing CPU, but 939 will probably have a nicer selection.

So I think the 939 might allow you to spread out your upgrades a little more in the future but really in this day and age, with a new socket, slot or form factor every 12 months it is hard to think anything but your keyboard and mouse will still be with you in a couple years.

 

drpootums

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i'm using a socket 754 processor (sig) and mobo and i think ill be set for a while. I just think when it's time to upgrade, i probably wouldnt have been satisfied with just a new processor, so when i upgrade ill buy some decent PCIe cards and a sli setup.

I think, no matter what people say about it being phased out, that the socket 754 is a great socket, and it will still be fast for a long time to come. With my board and my processor, i think when the time comes that it is slow, i will be able to oc everything on my comp (video card to at least ultra speeds with the processor at at least 3700+ speeds).

I'd save the money if i were u...
 

Concillian

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Originally posted by: TStep
This is a good article that shows the 939 and 754 platform differences and the .09 vs .13 differences. They equalize the speeds of the cpus tested to show how each stack up.

No, that article is horrible for comparing the two.

Read closely and you'll find that:
1)The 3400+ is run with HTT at 250, but memory speed 5:6 ratio (208MHz) while the 3500 is at 250 MHz HTT and 1:1.... memory is faster on the 3500+ in this case

2) 3500+ tested with DirectX 9.0c 3400+ tested with DirectX9.0b

So the direct comparisons are limited to when they are clocked at 2 GHz and when not utilizing DirectX.
 

TStep

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Concillian: When the OP asks if it is worth it, I usually never answer yes or no. $50 to one person has more value than $50 to another. I only like to provide information so that him/her can answer that question on their own terms. What the OP may also be overlooking is the cost of the motherboard in the equation too. From what I've been looking at lately using the 250 chipset as a guide, a 754 mobo can be picked up for as low as $75, where the minimum 939 mobo is costing around $115. So now the effective cost of that processor is $90 additonal.

The points you make are valid as the comparisons are not exactly apples to apples. But in the broader scope, I don't see 9b vs. 9c making too much of a difference. Here is a 9b to 9c comparison on synthetic benchies and here is some SP2/9c vs SP1/9b info on OpenGL. If anything, the OpenGL benchies imply the 939 scores may be slightly lower if run on SP1, making them closer to the 754 scores.

In addition, and at least in my opinion, the existence of 754 is for the lower end market at this point, ie value for $$$. So if I am looking at the entire package vs. 939, I'm looking at low cost mobo, cpu, and ddr. Like you stated, it is nearly apples to apples at 2.0ghz, so the difference between platforms can be seen there. At 2.5, the 754 needs to have the ddr backed down, as may very well be the case in a "value" system. IMO this gives a decent idea of what your giving up with lower cost ram that may not do 250, but will do 216. And you can see that the performance hit is not that devastating to yet spend even more dollars on ddr in a "value' system.

Maybe I should have expanded more in my post, but the points that you thought were not a good comparision were what I liked the most.
 

LiquidX

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Well I took out the price question because I dont want that to be a factor. I basically wanted to know which is faster at stock because one is priced higher but specs seems to be lower. In anycase thank you all.
 

Abix

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Originally posted by: lnin0
I am stuck trying to figure out the entire thing as well.

I don't plan to overclock so speed-wise it looks so close I can't see spending extra cash for an unoticable gain.

However, the upgrade path clouds the picture a bit more. 754 doesn't look like it is going to last much past 3700+, which would hardly be worth the price to upgrade. I also don't think BTX or PCIX are going to be as popular in that socket as well.

Look at the 939 and you have 4000+ and much more coming on down the road so a cheap 1ghz cpu bump down the road might work out at the expense of only a single component.

If you already own a powerfull and expensive AGP card from the current crop then I think you can pretty much rule out any type of thrifty video upgrade in the future with either socket. Since most of us will be moving to PCIX when upgrading to our next video card I can't see anyone buying AMD now who won't need a differnt system board later. I think both sockets will probably have PCIX options so you can just carry over your existing CPU, but 939 will probably have a nicer selection.

So I think the 939 might allow you to spread out your upgrades a little more in the future but really in this day and age, with a new socket, slot or form factor every 12 months it is hard to think anything but your keyboard and mouse will still be with you in a couple years.
Just gotta nitpick something in there.

PCIX == PCI-X
PCIE == PCI-Express

PCIX is NOT PCIE.

PCIX is more or less an advancement to the PCI bus that allows it to reach high clock speeds, and hence greater available bandwidth, while still remaining backwards compatible with the good 'ol 33mhz 32bit PCI standard. PCIX is mainly used in server environments where the greater bandwidth is needed for some adapter cards like 6 sata port hardware raid solutions where a Raid 5 in a server environment would need more than 133MB/s.

PCIE is PCI-Express. Nuff said.

*goes back to reading RFCs*
 
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