I didn't. I pointed out that anybody who believes that Obama is a shitty person is out of their fucking mind. I pointed out that they were nutty enough to boo McCain when he praised Obama. None of that is right, nor will it ever be.
Jhhnn, I'm not saying Obama was a shitty person. I'm clearly saying that the individual and their subjective view of the person that holds the office might say that because he thinks the person is shitty there is no need to respect the office.
Jhhnn, how did you get lost here?
No, 100% truth. But you can't see past your Trump stereotyping bs to realize it.
A decade ago there was no forced government mandated healthcare. Then Obama passed it. And I like Obama decently, but other than giving Iran a hundred and thirty billion dollars or whatever the final number was, the ACA was his worst mistake. Now the left wants free college. The liberals are demanding at least $15/hr to drop fries in the fryer (gotta put salt on them too, so... moar money!). The left is constantly attacking the 2A. Today the left has made it so a dude in a dress can wait out his boner in the stall next to your daughter. The left no longer pushes for equality, but privilege. I have zero problem with the way someone goes about finding happiness and living their life so long as they aren't affecting my rights. But that's not enough for the left, I now have to call that same guy with the boner "she" and dismiss reality for his feelings, despite and xy chromosome in every cell in his body. Gender has always been closely associated with biological sex until liberals started to force their pretending on us all (and liberals don't seem to understand the difference between gender and gender roles). Drinking straws were fine, then the left opened their mouth again today. It was ok to be proud to be an American before the modern left. It was ok to want to vet those who come into our country too, now that's taboo and the left will manufacture a racist narrative whenever secure borders are brought up. The left has jumped decidedly left as of late, they are no longer moderate but extremism has become their new mainstream.
Gender has always been closely associated with biological sex until liberals started to force their pretending on us all
I said you were not careful with your words. You were also not careful in your questioning of how Jhhnn got confused:You could say it either way. Its clearly established that the individual and that individual's subjective view are the topic. It did not change in the next sentence.
I mean the guy is dimwitted and a liar, I just thought it was funny how he was reduced to crazed ranting about people with boners in the ladies bathroom. If I were a Trump supporter I would be so embarrassed to have this moron representing me.
I find your posts very interesting to read like somebody playing a piano at its full range. I think you are at home with ambiguity and slow is terrified of it. You can cling to a rock in a fast moving stream but you will not get out of it unless you let go and swim.Why does the transgender issue loom so large in your politics? To be honest I'm not 100% sure about that issue. I think there are some difficult balancing acts involved and we don't really have solid science to base an opinion on, either way. Personally I'm not very clear on what 'gender' even is.
But I reckon we can find a way through it, mostly by treating people with respect. And while I can see possible direct clashes over things like shared toilet facilities, those cases are realtively rare. Usually there's a way round without causing problems for anyone. What I don't get is how it so enrages you at a level of general principle. Does it really impinge on your life in any important way? Maybe you haven't got enough real problems to worry about?
And your idea of a 'moderate left' seems to mean no left at all. It seems as if a moderate left for you is one that doesn't disagree with you on anything.
And that's hardly a killer argument. All sorts of things were presumed to be true and unchangeable for millennia till we noticed it was more complicated than that. From the sun going round the earth to waves being different from particles to diseases being caused by demons (or miasma) to slavery being right and natural.
I didn't. I pointed out that anybody who believes that Obama is a shitty person is out of their fucking mind. I pointed out that they were nutty enough to boo McCain when he praised Obama. None of that is right, nor will it ever be.
Why does the transgender issue loom so large in your politics? To be honest I'm not 100% sure about that issue. I think there are some difficult balancing acts involved and we don't really have solid science to base an opinion on, either way. Personally I'm not very clear on what 'gender' even is.
But I reckon we can find a way through it, mostly by treating people with respect. And while I can see possible direct clashes over things like shared toilet facilities, those cases are realtively rare. Usually there's a way round without causing problems for anyone. What I don't get is how it so enrages you at a level of general principle. Does it really impinge on your life in any important way? Maybe you haven't got enough real problems to worry about?
And your idea of a 'moderate left' seems to mean no left at all. It seems as if a moderate left for you is one that doesn't disagree with you on anything.
And that's hardly a killer argument. All sorts of things were presumed to be true and unchangeable for millennia till we noticed it was more complicated than that. From the sun going round the earth to waves being different from particles to diseases being caused by demons (or miasma) to slavery being right and natural.
Affect them how?Transgenderism isn't a big issue to me personally, but it is a microcosm example of the left today for me. Let me be 100% clear, don't care if you or some of others here don't believe me, but it is the truth for what it is worth... I do not care one iota how someone goes about finding their happiness in life so long as their not affecting my rights. And if that means a biological male dressing in clothes normally associated with women, being feminine, and going through life as a woman, I say more power to that person, I love that we are in a part of the world where someone can do that if that's what brings them happiness. But, that isn't good enough for so many liberals today, they fight for privilege and force things beyond acceptance and equality. They force it on to people and affect the many for the relative few, and with no real attempt at any sort of compromise.
Affect them how?
Affect them how?
So your big turning point was people booing McCain? Geez guy...
It was just when I really noticed how nuts y'all were getting. And sure enough, Trump put you into a polar elliptical orbit around Uranus.
Wonder how it would have gone if Hillary gave a concession speech admitting defeat to Trump on election night. But, rumor was that she was a drunk wreck, so guess we'll never know.
OK, now suppose I call you a little girl, sweetie, do I have that right to offend you in your hospital bed. It would seem that I should, no?https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ne...nder-pronoun-sponsor-denies-that-would-happen
That as an example. Or the expectation that I have to call a man a woman, that I have to suspend reality for feelings.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ne...nder-pronoun-sponsor-denies-that-would-happen
That as an example. Or the expectation that I have to call a man a woman, that I have to suspend reality for feelings.
Tough issue. Public restrooms are expensive and we have a long tradition of gender separation in relation to them. I’m still coming to terms with having my all’s cut off every time I have to lift the seat and am then expected to put it back down before I leave.In that particular example, trampling the scared cow of separate bathrooms for the opposite sex.
You're such an idiot. She gave the speech the next morning. Nobody booed her, either.
OK, now suppose I call you a little girl, sweetie, do I have that right to offend you in your hospital bed. It would seem that I should, no?
But that just sounds like the usual laws against victimisation or hate-speech. You can argue the pro-s and con-s of such laws in general, but doesn't seem that big a difference between, say, some boss calling a trans-man or trans-woman employee by words that imply they aren't the gender they consider themselves, and, the same boss pointedly calling a gay man 'she' or a unfeminine-looking woman 'he'.
In both cases it _might_ be a simple unfortunate mistake, no biggie, or it _might_ be part of a pattern of bullying and victimisation. It would be for a court/jury to decide, and in both cases one would hope juries have the sense to see when it's really meant vindictively and when it isn't.
I don't entirely get what you mean by 'suspend reality', in that all this is about is the definition of words. What is the 'real' meaning of 'he' and 'she'? Do those terms really depend solely on chromosomes? People used them before they knew what chromosomes were.
While what Spidey is saying is technically true I’m sure you will be shocked to find out he’s being incredibly misleading.
https://www.politifact.com/californ...-mislead-about-california-bill-forcing-jail-/
The standards under which someone would be sent to jail are exactly the same ones that have already existed for years when it comes to nursing homes. By his logic it is also true that you could be imprisoned for smoking yet I have not seen him up in arms about this.
Gee, I wonder why.
So you're saying it is exactly the same as before, but yet they wrote new legislation. Whatever dude.
I am not in favor of forced speech. Neither am I in favor of bigots using words to humiliate people. In order to be free of forced speech, I think the responsible solution is courtesy.Should you be possibly fined or imprisoned for doing so, especially if I was a female technically?
I said that night. Very different setting with many sad and angry liberals and feminists that came geared up to win. The next morning doesn't matter.
I am not in favor of forced speech. Neither am I in favor of bigots using words to humiliate people. In order to be free of forced speech, I think the responsible solution is courtesy.