Is the division in American politics the result mostly from movement to the left by the left?

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MooseNSquirrel

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Yes, Reaganomics was a bit too extreme economically, but you can't deny that he was respected as Commander-in-chief of the U.S. armed forces compared to Carter, Clinton, and Obama. The first job of any American president is to be respected by the U.S. armed forces. Reagan was liked by them.
No, the first job of an American President is to uphold and defend the constitution.

So um, where exactly did you get this bizarre notion?
 

alcoholbob

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While there is a probably some moderate and also right wing reaction to leftist movement on social issues (i.e., outrage over SJWs), I think Moonbeam you are ignoring the fact that the leftward movement on economics is not just with Democrats but with Independents as well, so the move left is actually encapsulated by a movement left by a supermajority of the American people, and the people calling themselves Republican keeps shrinking.
 

cytg111

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Yes, its the lefts fault for forcing the gop into collusion, conspiracy and treason. Makes sense.
 
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Moonbeam

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Moonbeam, please do us all a favor and never again quote investors business daily about anything again.
That would go against everything I stand for. Are you a leaf that can be blown away by the wind, a sacred well that is spoiled by the plot of a frog, somebody who will be hospitalized by rumors of a tempest in a teapot?

More and more of late, as the Trump ship of state sales over the edge of the world, I have seen a panic on the left that has become frantic, irrational, and dangerous, at least in my opinion and to such an extent that I believe others are noting the same thing and commenting as much in the media. So I went looking for a critique of the left by googling on the internet and viola, what I posted is what I found right off the bat. I read it and thought to myself, this is bull shit. I know nothing about the media source or that it is right wing. I read the opinion piece without such a prior bias and thought this does not make sense.

I could have moved on and found something more in line with what I am seeing personally, but I decided to find out how others viewed the piece. I didn't bring a preconception of what I would read before I read it. And I personally don't think anybody who can think would need too because, at least for me, the logic presented in the piece stinks to high heavens.

How will you handle information independently if you need to dismiss by prejudging the source. Lots of media outlets have opinion pieces the posting media may not agree with.
 

Moonbeam

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Both parties are growing extreme. A party that boos God at a political convention can't be called mainstream.

I have already disagreed with this so I won't again, but what I see is that both parties are becoming more authoritarian.
 

dank69

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Ah, I see, anyone who is not a Democrat or a liberal or a progressive is a Russian.

Trying to silence dissent, hmm? That is the same thing you are doing. Projection.

I'm a Hillary voter, but I moved on after the election. You can't. You didn't see Bush/McCain/Romney voters still rattling about the 2008 and 2012 elections 2 years later like this.

I'm glad to be an Independent. Not beholden to anyone.

Get out of the echo chamber, the country doesn't represent Democrats alone. Your party has a LOT of flaws before they make their case to why they should win in 2020. You don't have 2020 in the bag, remember that. It's February 2019, anything can happen.
It is fine to be independent when there are good things and bad things from both parties. There hasn't been a good thing coming from Republicans for a long long time. Anyone who is still an independent is only because they hold Democrats to a way higher standard than Republicans.
 

dawp

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Both parties are growing extreme. A party that boos God at a political convention can't be called mainstream.
it's the republicans movement to the extreme right that make the democrats look like a left-wing party when it actually isn't. it's centrist.

and I just want to add that GOD is an artificial construct designed to explain the unexplainable.
how did that happen?
I don't know.
GOD did it.
 
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dawp

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It is fine to be independent when there are good things and bad things from both parties. There hasn't been a good thing coming from Republicans for a long long time. Anyone who is still an independent is only because they hold Democrats to a way higher standard than Republicans.
I don't consider myself to be a democrat as thay are not liberal enough from my point of view. Demos seem to be what the republican used to be before they went off the deep end.
 
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sportage

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Democrats are absolutely on track, finally, by leaning far left liberal.
When you hear Hannity and Fox News complaining bout those newly elected liberals being way too far left, then you know democrats are doing someone right for a change.
You can tell Fox is actually worried about this newly found liberal uprising.
Fox is terrified this just might be what "the people" want and have been waiting for.
Especially after Trump and his government ran solely by clueless billionaires.
People over at Fox are suggesting those newly elected liberal democrats had better move to the center if they hope to get anything done or have a chance.
Really?
Fox suggesting to be like us, and forget why and how those new democrats got elected in the first place?

I think the era of far left extremist liberalism is about to explode on the scene of politics.
Not the old liberalism where a democrat like Bill Clinton moved to the center right embracing Welfare reform.
Or Obama moved to the center right when he chose his US Supreme Court nominee.
An nominee, by the way, republicans rejected regardless.

Republicans are not shy about carrying their flag of far right conservatism and supporting a government for the very rich. Now its time democrats carried their flag, the flag of far left liberalism and openly supporting a government that provides healthcare for all, a living wage, and UNIONS. Yes, democrats need to go back to fighting for unions. Unions that created the middle class in the first place. If people really want an America that is truly "great again" and an good old fashion America of the past, then America must re-embrace the unions once again. And only liberal democrats can make that happen.
Unions can ensure the living wage, a safe workplace, jobs with benefits, provide true retirement security, and once again a strong prosperous middle class.
Just as unions provided back in the 40's and 50's. Before business greed and Ronald Reagan took over.
Those true good old days when the middle class flourished.

Democrats must never be afraid to show their liberal side.
And as for those old long term fake democrat politicians, they need to step aside.
To be afraid of far right conservatism is so old school. And for liberals to "bend" and "migrate" to the center right just to satisfy far right politics needs to be dead and buried.
Fake liberal politicians got us to where we are today. A middle class screwed.
The new lefty extremist is what we need running for congress and running for governorships.
That formula just won democrats the house.
Democrats must be true to their liberal beliefs, never wishy washy liberal as was Obama and Clinton, and so many others still present in the party.
 
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dank69

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I don't consider myself to be a democrat as thay are not liberal enough from my point of view. Demos seem to be what the republican used to be before they went off the deep end.
That's great and all but you hopefully still vote straight D in order to stop the destruction of our economy.
 

dawp

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That's great and all but you hopefully still vote straight D in order to stop the destruction of our economy.
I generally do unless there is a person running that reflect my values better but try finding a Green Party candidate in NC., not very many out there.

closest I came to voting for any repub was back in in 2k before bush won the nomination and McCain rolled over and played dead. that year I voted Nader as I was living in TX at the time it was a bush shoe-in.
 

dank69

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I generally do unless there is a person running that reflect my values better but try finding a Green Party candidate in NC., not very many out there.
The green party is backed by the Koch brothers anyway. Please try to understand why voting 3rd party in America is a bad thing. If you want viable third party options you need to push to change our electoral system first. Until we change it a third party vote is the same as voting for the party you hate the most.
 

pmv

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Lol, so one month into taking back control of the house you expect them to already being doing the things you expect them to be doing?

I don't know if you are naïve or just your typical "both sides" idiot but I suggest you lower your expectations as legislation requires both houses and senate to work together and that's not going to happen with Republicans in charge of the senate.

Surely the nature of the senate, and how it's elected, means its likely that the Republicans will always be in charge of it, barring some massive demographic shift? With 1/3 of the population set to be electing 2/3 of the Senate, to me, as an outsider, it looks like simply a broken system.
 
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Ventanni

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Personally, I consider it an era of social media politics. Today's news mediums provide information based on what people like more than anything, and that has a tendency to radicalize those who are left further left and those who are right further right. This has heavily polarized our politics far more than I've ever seen in the last 20 years, as basically people are creating their own world of politics. It's one of the reasons I've stepped back from posting on these forums - not because I don't enjoy it - I realized the "reality" I was seeing was just being fueled by what I was constantly watching on YouTube.

And then I stepped outside and realized that the most important thing my neighbors are thinking about is keeping their lawn mowed. Yes, I live in Florida, we mow lawns in the winter time, haha.
 

cytg111

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Surely the nature of the senate, and how it's elected, means its likely that the Republicans will always be in charge of it, barring some massive demographic shift? With 1/3 of the population set to be electing 2/3 of the Senate, to me, as an outsider, it looks like simply a broken system.

OTOH if/when dems finally takes the Senate, they will hold it for the next 50 years...
 

HomerJS

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No.

I can make a very long list of topics where the Republican base has switch their positions for Trump. These are the first two that come to mind

Russia as an enemy of the United States
Moral values
 

pmv

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Yes, Reaganomics was a bit too extreme economically, but you can't deny that he was respected as Commander-in-chief of the U.S. armed forces compared to Carter, Clinton, and Obama. The first job of any American president is to be respected by the U.S. armed forces. Reagan was liked by them.


Wow. The main job of your head of state is to keep the military happy? Interesting what company that puts the US in.

I really am skeptical about the obsession with 'Russian trolls' or 'Russians' in general. But your comments just seem weird to me. This one seems more appropriate for somewhere like Libya or Pakistan or Burma or somewhere where political power depends on keeping the military on-side.
 
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fskimospy

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Wow. The main job of your head of state is to keep the military happy? Interesting what company that puts the US in.

I really am skeptical about the obsession with 'Russian trolls' or 'Russians' in general. But your comments just seem weird to me. This one seems more appropriate for somewhere like Libya or Pakistan or Burma or somewhere where political power depends on keeping the military on-side.

Yes, as someone who has served in the US military the idea that the first job of the president would be to earn the respect of the military is frankly weird and downright fascistic.

It is the job of the military to earn civilian leadership's respect, not the other way around.
 

Jhhnn

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Yes, Reaganomics was a bit too extreme economically, but you can't deny that he was respected as Commander-in-chief of the U.S. armed forces compared to Carter, Clinton, and Obama. The first job of any American president is to be respected by the U.S. armed forces. Reagan was liked by them.

So what? Reaganomics is still holding sway in the GOP. Witness the recent budget busting tax cuts for the Rich.
 
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Stokely

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No. The only moving left has been on social issues...and even those are under attack now.

The Right saw a cliff decades ago and headed toward it at roadrunner speed, hasn't stopped since. I only hope they break everything possible when they hit bottom, though I'm wondering if there actually is a bottom.
 

fleshconsumed

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I am an Independent, I'm looking for a good party to vote for, and I don't see it. I voted Democratic in the 2018 midterms because I wanted to see them have a check and a balance on Trump and talk about small business growth, education, national security, etc, but I have not seen them do so yet. I am a disillusioned Independent, and yes, I see extremes in both parties.
Time for facts. In 2018 midterms Democratic party managed to gain majority in the House of Representatives. GOP still holds majority in the Senate, GOP still controls the White House, and GOP has 5 judges out of 9 on the Supreme Court. 2018 congress was sworn in on 2019-01-03, today is 2019-02-04. It's been 31 days since they have been sworn in.

You're complaining that Democrats have not done enough to oppose Trump after only 31 days after they regained control of 1 branch of our government out of 4.

This is the most painfully obvious "both sides" troll post I have seen on these forums ever.
 
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