Is the history of Jesus as indicated in the NT completely fabricated?

[So]

Historians accept that there were a number of individuals wandering around that region at that time espousing similar philosophies. Your point stands -- it's pretty much a sure thing that the "miracles" were fabrications, but the existence of Jesus is a non issue. If he's a composite character of multiple individuals, or an actual living human, neither is an extraordinary claim or worth much attention. The only salient fact is that "Christian" ideas came from that region, at that time and spawned a religion.

Man, I've always wanted to use "salient" in a sentence...

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
It is widely accepted through the records of Josephus the historian, that Jesus walked on this Earth.

Whether or not he did miracles is up to each persons personal set of beliefs.

I would also like to say that there were no Christians at the time of Jesus. Christians appeared after the "CHRIST", before then Jesus had a small group of followers called disciples. After he died another group of people who believed, called apostles, were formed. From there they took one for a disciple, and then everyone went out to preach the good news (That he had conquered the grave/death).

-Kevin

Have you read Josephus' histories? I have read some. It's all hearsay where jesus is concerned. I heard it from a guy who knew a guy who's father...and so on. Of course you have to consider that 99% of all histories are guilty of this even unto the current age. Josephus would definitely be the most reputable source I can think of, but even he must be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
It is widely accepted through the records of Josephus the historian, that Jesus walked on this Earth.

Whether or not he did miracles is up to each persons personal set of beliefs.

I would also like to say that there were no Christians at the time of Jesus. Christians appeared after the "CHRIST", before then Jesus had a small group of followers called disciples. After he died another group of people who believed, called apostles, were formed. From there they took one for a disciple, and then everyone went out to preach the good news (That he had conquered the grave/death).

-Kevin

Have you read Josephus' histories? I have read some. It's all hearsay where jesus is concerned. I heard it from a guy who knew a guy who's father...and so on. Of course you have to consider that 99% of all histories are guilty of this even unto the current age. Josephus would definitely be the most reputable source I can think of, but even he must be taken with a grain of salt.

I remember hearing that Joesphus' makes only one or two mentions of Jesus and that they look, textually like they well may have been inserted at some point during the middle ages.

 

[alkemyst]

Being that it was not written until 40 years later is more or less due to books being rare and until the story was that well known; word of mouth sufficed.

The biggest problem with understanding religion is more of understanding history and how things were done when it was being made.

 

[AreaCode7O7]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Being that it was not written until 40 years later is more or less due to books being rare and until the story was that well known; word of mouth sufficed.

The biggest problem with understanding religion is more of understanding history and how things were done when it was being made.

Huh, I never thought I'd see the post where I agreed with you on something. Proof that miracles DO happen.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Other than writing, there is not one piece of physical evidence Jesus even existed at all.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: ironwing
If Jesus isn't real how come he tastes so good?

Obviously you've never taken communion. Dry crackers and watered down wine != tasty.

 

[Injury]

Not only were books rare, but people capable of reading and writing them to begin with were rare.

You have to consider that this was an era where children were considered a financial asset, not a burden, and instead of having a government that forces them into school for a minimum of 12 years they were trained to work as soon as they could.

Additionally, I consider that a lot of writings in the bible are a bit elaborated on the accord of translation errors through the years. We're talking about writings most of which are 2000 years old here, it's entirely plausible that through lost translation Jesus was never killed and laid to rest in a cave but thrown in prison after hanging on a cross for a while and freed shortly thereafter. It may not be that his spirit actually went up and opened the gates of heaven but more that after being tortured and imprisoned he gave others the courage to believe in god in the face of an oppressor. I'm not claiming this is how it went down, but I'm just saying this is what may have been mistranslated.

When you consider that people living in the same era that speak a language still have multiple ways of saying the same thing it really shouldn't come as a shock that some things may have been a bit different from what may have actually went down.

 

[OCGuy]

My gardener is named Jesus. The way he keeps my lawn green is a miracle in itself.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Other than writing, there is not one piece of physical evidence Jesus even existed at all.

I heard that someone uncovered a JPEG of Jesus on a hard drive from a salvation army computer and that the EXIF data showed it to be legit.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: ironwing
If Jesus isn't real how come he tastes so good?

Obviously you've never taken communion. Dry crackers and watered down wine != tasty.

Oh, man, your church doesn't have Buffalo Jesus Bites?

 

[James3shin]

how does a god die in the first place anyway?

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Other than writing, there is not one piece of physical evidence Jesus even existed at all.

CSI much?

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Other than writing, there is not one piece of physical evidence Jesus even existed at all.

CSI much?

I have never ever seen, nor will I, over 10 seconds of this show at a time.

Has my pointing out of this fact offended you in some way?

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: ironwing
If Jesus isn't real how come he tastes so good?

Obviously you've never taken communion. Dry crackers and watered down wine != tasty.

Oh oh, looks like somebody doesn't believe in the transsubstantiation of the holy eucharist. If you did, you'd know it tastes like steak tartar.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Its true the works of the 12 apostles excluding Judas (Replaced by Mary MAG.) ARE incomplete in the Bible . AS The Roman ceasar setup the council he also helped(LOL) which books went into the Bible. ( On his deathbed Ceasar excepted Christ, A bit late I would say. But The Church needed ceasar and they held him up high(LOL)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

Even tho incomplete and filled with dogma. The good WORD still rest in the Bible and other places.

As for how faith based works . It goes something like this.

THE first to die will be the last . The last to die shall be the first. Meaning the further you are removed from the trueth and still hang onto FAITH . The better place you get in heaven. This in itself may seem small . But its anything but. Would it be hard to except GoD for some here. If you walked and talked with Christ. Seen him do mircles . Seen Christ after his death. and resurrection . Or if God talked to you like he did Adam or Moses., No it would be much hardier than not having heard with your own ears or seen with your own eyes

To ans . somewhat why no early writings. Tell me OP how many years after Christ was death did they quit murdering his followers.

OP should also keep in mind who it was Christ came her to save. It wasn't Ceasar or any well to do types . Christ came for the Poor of spirit , Christ came to set us free from the blood sacrifice. The majority of the people Christ came for couldn't read or write.

Back in the time period the OP talks about . Drawing a simple Fish in the sand . Could be enough to make you a lions meal. We know that the persection of christians of the time happened.

Christians didn't become killers until after the above council. When Rome replaced Christ.(With Saul/Paul)

 

[Nemesis 1]

Making fun of people of faith shows what exactly? Certainly doesn't show respect for other views. It only shows that these types do owe their anciestry to apes and they haven't strayed to far from the tree they crawled out of.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Other than writing, there is not one piece of physical evidence Jesus even existed at all.

CSI much?

I have never ever seen, nor will I, over 10 seconds of this show at a time.

Has my pointing out of this fact offended you in some way?

No, but it's wrong. There's lots of historical documents about Jesus. There are Roman records of his execution, there has been pottery with inscriptions of him, there are paintings from the era depicting him...not sure where you got this idea that there is no evidence he existed.

However, the miracles (water to wine, healing, etc) don't have much proof behind them. They could be exaggerations, fables, or even made up situations. A recent piece of pottery found has an inscription "Jesus the Magician" (or Trickster) on it...meaning he may have been known as a mystical person at the time.

 

[Nemesis 1]

What has happened in Christandom is like this subject. You turn around and its instantly off the front page. So their is no proof it ever existed unlesss your willing to search.

Why do some subjects move off faster than others. Does it just happen that way or is it manipilated.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I found this interesting . Hang on tite to your science. The most scientific thing said in this article is the last paragraph.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/39847/113/

 

[AreaCode7O7]

Quick recommendation for you, Nemesis. People tend to take your input more seriously when the context hints that you're a studied and educated individual. You handicap your arguments with poor spelling, grammar and sentence structure. It makes it easy to identify that you've not prioritized study in your life, leading readers to conclude that, if you're not educated in that fashion, you're likely not fully educated in the topic you're discussing either.

You'll command more respect and more intelligent dialogue from your fellow participants if you present yourself in a more collected and competent way.

Hopefully this is helpful rather than being a troll post. Sorry if it comes off as a troll.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I found this interesting . Hang on tite to your science. The most scientific thing said in this article is the last paragraph.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/39847/113/

If you were attempting to completely discredit yourself, I say "Job well done!"

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Other than writing, there is not one piece of physical evidence Jesus even existed at all.

CSI much?

I have never ever seen, nor will I, over 10 seconds of this show at a time.

Has my pointing out of this fact offended you in some way?

No. Just pointing out your feeble attempt at sounding smart.
Physical evidence?
Why you suck

Were you hoping to reconstruct his DNA and bring him back like the Woolly Mammoth attempt?

 

[RESmonkey]

RELIGION IS FUCKING STOOPUD.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
RELIGION IS FUCKING STOOPUD.

Ten push ups.