Is the history of Jesus as indicated in the NT completely fabricated?

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: fishjie
the bible says earth is only 6k to 10k years old?

Where does it say that?

Somewhere in the back. "And God spake, saying, 'lo, did I make the earth six to ten thousand years ago, and made man in the garden of Eden and woman from his rib so I would have something to look at, and they did ride on the dinosaurs, which I've forgotten to mention up to this point, and they were happy.'"

 

[Modelworks]

Also remember you are dealing with a totally different era.
Back then if you wrote the wrong thing, and 99% of the people couldn't even write, you could be killed for it.

That is why historians think that Revelations was written in code and was talking about the Roman empire. Because to do so point blank would equal death.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: fishjie
the bible says earth is only 6k to 10k years old?

Where does it say that?

Somewhere in the back. "And God spake, saying, 'lo, did I make the earth six to ten thousand years ago, and made man in the garden of Eden and woman from his rib so I would have something to look at, and they did ride on the dinosaurs, which I've forgotten to mention up to this point, and they were happy.'"

1 Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem.

2 Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz.

3 At start, no has lyte. An Ceiling Cat sayz, i can haz lite? An lite wuz.4 An Ceiling Cat sawed teh lite, to seez stuffs, An splitted teh lite from dark but taht wuz ok cuz kittehs can see in teh dark An not tripz over nethin.5 An Ceiling Cat sayed light Day An dark no Day. It were FURST!!!1

6 An Ceiling Cat sayed, im in ur waterz makin a ceiling. But he no yet make a ur. An he maded a hole in teh Ceiling.7 An Ceiling Cat doed teh skiez with waterz down An waterz up. It happen.8 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has teh firmmint wich iz funny bibel naim 4 ceiling, so wuz teh twoth day.

9 An Ceiling Cat gotted all teh waterz in ur base, An Ceiling Cat hadz dry placez cuz kittehs DO NOT WANT get wet.10 An Ceiling Cat called no waterz urth and waters oshun. Iz good.

11 An Ceiling Cat sayed, DO WANT grass! so tehr wuz seedz An stufs, An fruitzors An vegbatels. An a Corm. It happen.12 An Ceiling Cat sawed that weedz ish good, so, letz there be weedz.13 An so teh threeth day jazzhands.

14 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has lightz in the skiez for splittin day An no day.15 It happen, lights everwear, like christmass, srsly.16 An Ceiling Cat doeth two grate lightz, teh most big for day, teh other for no day.17 An Ceiling Cat screw tehm on skiez, with big nails An stuff, to lite teh Urfs.18 An tehy rulez day An night. Ceiling Cat sawed. Iz good.19 An so teh furth day w00t.

20 An Ceiling Cat sayed, waterz bring me phishes, An burds, so kittehs can eat dem. But Ceiling Cat no eated dem.21 An Ceiling Cat maed big fishies An see monstrs, which wuz like big cows, except they no mood, An other stuffs dat mooves, An Ceiling Cat sawed iz good.22 An Ceiling Cat sed O hai, make bebehs kthx. An dont worry i wont watch u secksy, i not that kynd uf kitteh.23 An so teh...fith day. Ceiling Cat taek a wile 2 cawnt.

24 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has MOAR living stuff, mooes, An creepie tings, An otehr aminals. It happen so tehre.25 An Ceiling Cat doed moar living stuff, mooes, An creepies, An otehr animuls, An did not eated tehm.

26 An Ceiling Cat sayed, letz us do peeps like uz, becuz we ish teh qte, An let min p0wnz0r becuz tehy has can openers.

27 So Ceiling Cat createded teh peeps taht waz like him, can has can openers he maed tehm, min An womin wuz maeded, but he did not eated tehm.

28 An Ceiling Cat sed them O hai maek bebehs kthx, An p0wn teh waterz, no waterz An teh firmmint, An evry stufs.

29 An Ceiling Cat sayed, Beholdt, the Urfs, I has it, An I has not eated it.30 For evry createded stufs tehre are the fuudz, to the burdies, teh creepiez, An teh mooes, so tehre. It happen. Iz good.

31 An Ceiling Cat sayed, Beholdt, teh good enouf for releaze as version 0.8a. kthxbai.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Also remember you are dealing with a totally different era.
Back then if you wrote the wrong thing, and 99% of the people couldn't even write, you could be killed for it.

That is why historians think that Revelations was written in code and was talking about the Roman empire. Because to do so point blank would equal death.

Ummm, they weren't afraid of death. Many were martyred. True martyrdom, not the fanatical stuff we see today blowing themselves up or assassinating someone.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Also remember you are dealing with a totally different era.
Back then if you wrote the wrong thing, and 99% of the people couldn't even write, you could be killed for it.

That is why historians think that Revelations was written in code and was talking about the Roman empire. Because to do so point blank would equal death.

Ummm, they weren't afraid of death. Many were martyred. True martyrdom, not the fanatical stuff we see today blowing themselves up or assassinating someone.

Yes they were.
The Romans were very brutal at the time.
People that spoke out were crucified and often entire families were killed if one member spoke out against them.

 

[fishjie]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: fishjie
the bible says earth is only 6k to 10k years old?

Where does it say that?

bible is very specific about the genealogies. starting from jesus, you can trace back his ancestors all the way back to adam. it also lists the ages that they die at. add on 7 days for creation, and you get an exact age for the earth.

 

[fishjie]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Also remember you are dealing with a totally different era.
Back then if you wrote the wrong thing, and 99% of the people couldn't even write, you could be killed for it.

That is why historians think that Revelations was written in code and was talking about the Roman empire. Because to do so point blank would equal death.

Ummm, they weren't afraid of death. Many were martyred. True martyrdom, not the fanatical stuff we see today blowing themselves up or assassinating someone.

Yes they were.
The Romans were very brutal at the time.
People that spoke out were crucified and often entire families were killed if one member spoke out against them.

ogod not this whole "xtians were persecuted" bs.

there is little historical evidence of this either.

and besides, the second rome adopted xtianity as its religion, it started persecuting hard core.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: fishjie

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Also remember you are dealing with a totally different era.
Back then if you wrote the wrong thing, and 99% of the people couldn't even write, you could be killed for it.

That is why historians think that Revelations was written in code and was talking about the Roman empire. Because to do so point blank would equal death.

Ummm, they weren't afraid of death. Many were martyred. True martyrdom, not the fanatical stuff we see today blowing themselves up or assassinating someone.

Yes they were.
The Romans were very brutal at the time.
People that spoke out were crucified and often entire families were killed if one member spoke out against them.

ogod not this whole "xtians were persecuted" bs.

there is little historical evidence of this either.

and besides, the second rome adopted xtianity as its religion, it started persecuting hard core.

I didn't say Christians.
I said anyone who spoke out against the empire and what it believed at the time.

It is a fact that Rome crucified several hundred people at one time and placed them along the road into the city as a warning to others. Kind of has a way of making people not want to draw attention to themselves.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
The Jewish nation exist today as of 1947. Were is the Prroff that it was a nation at all. It hasn't existed for over 2000 years . Weres the proof it ever existed. You say it was mentioned in history . Oh! SO true. But That was along timeago . and the Fable grew from there . Alexander the great never existed were is the Proof. . If History can't be reliad upon. Whats the sensw in learning all the fairy tails.

Show me proof anything happened more than 500 years ago. That argument is just stupid .

Proof of anything beyond 500 years is hard to do. Who ya going to believe the Spanish. LOL read their history the way they wrote it. Or the Britts and their version of history what a joke. So who do you believe historicly of a war . The Winners view or the losers view.

Look whats going on with USA today in Iraq. Iraq did nothing to threaten the USA but their we are . Our version of why will be heaped up with lies' Thats the way its always been.

Nothing but lies told from the winning teams perspective.
Get a grip on reality.

THe 300 was good movie kinda like the alamo for us. Yet the spanish version or mexican version says Davey never died at all .How many years was that.

Or all the lies about how white stole native american lands . Like the Jews don't they deserve their own nation. Americans sense of fair play today and always sucked. But how many americans will admit it.

I've seen better trolling in my days, but never has it been displayed so "eloquently"

I award you 3 green stars.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1


This was a nice response. Trueth not only speaks for itself and can't be broken down . But trueth speaks to the heart also. Trueth however can be barried in lies. that are intend to cause confusion.

Trueth is our worse people lead its been that way from the beginning.

I am interested in this concept of "trueth." could you please elaborate? it is new to me.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: fishjie

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Also remember you are dealing with a totally different era.
Back then if you wrote the wrong thing, and 99% of the people couldn't even write, you could be killed for it.

That is why historians think that Revelations was written in code and was talking about the Roman empire. Because to do so point blank would equal death.

Ummm, they weren't afraid of death. Many were martyred. True martyrdom, not the fanatical stuff we see today blowing themselves up or assassinating someone.

Yes they were.
The Romans were very brutal at the time.
People that spoke out were crucified and often entire families were killed if one member spoke out against them.

ogod not this whole "xtians were persecuted" bs.

there is little historical evidence of this either.

and besides, the second rome adopted xtianity as its religion, it started persecuting hard core.

umm, yes there is. And yes, Christians. They didn't call themselves Christians, so some call them early-Christians.
And get your head out of the ground when it comes to Roman persecution on the religious (or anybody that the 1st Rome wanted to persecute for whatever reasons)
Seriously, where do you get this stuff?
Oh, and that 'x' thing. Cute. Are you insecure? Does spelling it out offend you that much?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Also remember you are dealing with a totally different era.
Back then if you wrote the wrong thing, and 99% of the people couldn't even write, you could be killed for it.

That is why historians think that Revelations was written in code and was talking about the Roman empire. Because to do so point blank would equal death.

Ummm, they weren't afraid of death. Many were martyred. True martyrdom, not the fanatical stuff we see today blowing themselves up or assassinating someone.

Hate to break it to you but saying these people weren't scared is just wishful thinking.

Many chose to die, yes but most did not have the choice. Most of either group didn't feel so comfy having a lion come down on them.

Blowing one's self up is a product of our times.

Assassinations did happen in the name of all religions. Many knew going in to them, they'd all be slaughtered...it's no different than strapping up with TNT / Plastic to ensure the kill happens.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Also remember you are dealing with a totally different era.
Back then if you wrote the wrong thing, and 99% of the people couldn't even write, you could be killed for it.

That is why historians think that Revelations was written in code and was talking about the Roman empire. Because to do so point blank would equal death.

Ummm, they weren't afraid of death. Many were martyred. True martyrdom, not the fanatical stuff we see today blowing themselves up or assassinating someone.

Hate to break it to you but saying these people weren't scared is just wishful thinking.

Many chose to die, yes but most did not have the choice. Most of either group didn't feel so comfy having a lion come down on them.

Blowing one's self up is a product of our times.

Assassinations did happen in the name of all religions. Many knew going in to them, they'd all be slaughtered...it's no different than strapping up with TNT / Plastic to ensure the kill happens.

Let me clarify this. They weren't scared to a point to change the text to what they were doing, or denying their faith. Except Peter 3 times over.
Sorry, didn't mean to say it that way. I'm sure most martyrs were frightened to a point where I couldn't imagine myself.
This is why a lot look up to them, because they do feel scared, but stick to it.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

umm, yes there is. And yes, Christians. They didn't call themselves Christians, so some call them early-Christians.
And get your head out of the ground when it comes to Roman persecution on the religious (or anybody that the 1st Rome wanted to persecute for whatever reasons)
Seriously, where do you get this stuff?
Oh, and that 'x' thing. Cute. Are you insecure? Does spelling it out offend you that much?

it's like the G-d thing...except most that would truly feel they needed to do that wouldn't be posting in a secular forum like this to begin with.

Most really don't know the early followers were just Jews with a different opinion at the time that later grew to become a separate entity....Christians named much later.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: fishjie

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: fishjie
the bible says earth is only 6k to 10k years old?

Where does it say that?

bible is very specific about the genealogies. starting from jesus, you can trace back his ancestors all the way back to adam. it also lists the ages that they die at. add on 7 days for creation, and you get an exact age for the earth.

Couple problems with using Genealogies to determine the Age of Earth/time of "Creation":

1) How Time was defined was different then. They didn't have 365 day Years. That was taken into account though in determining Age of the Earth bby Creationists, but for the amateur, assuming all Ages in the Bible to be based on 365 Day Years is a common error.

2) Geneologies only trace back to when Adam/Eve allegedly existed. It can not determine the passage of time "accurately" to that point. The passage of time before that point is assumed to be a 24 hour Day, which is quite the big assumption.

a) Assumes that "God" dictated the words of the Bible. Big assumption that many believe to be sure, but an assumtion nontheless.

b) related to 3: Assumes "God" would give the detailed version of the Events of Creation.

 

[alkemyst]

The geneology concept also relies on a literal 7 day creation theory.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
The geneology concept also relies on a literal 7 day creation theory.

Which less Christians believe in than AT will ever admit.

 

[fishjie]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: alkemyst
The geneology concept also relies on a literal 7 day creation theory.

Which less Christians believe in than AT will ever admit.

if you don't take that part of the bible literally, why take any part of the bible literally? if you realize that the creation myth is just that, a myth, then you are well on your way to discovering the truth.

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: fishjie

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Also remember you are dealing with a totally different era.
Back then if you wrote the wrong thing, and 99% of the people couldn't even write, you could be killed for it.

That is why historians think that Revelations was written in code and was talking about the Roman empire. Because to do so point blank would equal death.

Ummm, they weren't afraid of death. Many were martyred. True martyrdom, not the fanatical stuff we see today blowing themselves up or assassinating someone.

Yes they were.
The Romans were very brutal at the time.
People that spoke out were crucified and often entire families were killed if one member spoke out against them.

ogod not this whole "xtians were persecuted" bs.

there is little historical evidence of this either.

and besides, the second rome adopted xtianity as its religion, it started persecuting hard core.

umm, yes there is. And yes, Christians. They didn't call themselves Christians, so some call them early-Christians.
And get your head out of the ground when it comes to Roman persecution on the religious (or anybody that the 1st Rome wanted to persecute for whatever reasons)
Seriously, where do you get this stuff?
Oh, and that 'x' thing. Cute. Are you insecure? Does spelling it out offend you that much?

i do it to offend you because i hate you. xtian. anyone who gets offended by it is the insecure one. xtian. lololololololol. its easier to type. chill out xtian.

and the whole christian persecution complex is bs. they always like to cry like they're the victims. lets review the facts again. the church has slaughtered way more people than rome ever did. today xtians hold the majority of power all over the world. the second catholicism became the official religion, they killed off all the other sects of xtianity - so yes in that sense many xtians were persecuted - the ones who didnt buy into the doctrine decided at nicea. but the persecution was from other xtians.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: fishjie

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: alkemyst
The geneology concept also relies on a literal 7 day creation theory.

Which less Christians believe in than AT will ever admit.

if you don't take that part of the bible literally, why take any part of the bible literally? if you realize that the creation myth is just that, a myth, then you are well on your way to discovering the truth.

There are plenty parts of the Bible I don't take literally. Then again, there are plenty of parts of Shakespeare that I don't take literally. The Bible isn't a science book, nor was it ever meant to be.

I seriously doubt that early people could of understood the inner workings of the big bang and evolution. I don't even understand most of it. Jesus used parables to help people understand the message, why can't Genenis?

 

[alkemyst]

The main problem is most here and elsewhere only know the bible for what was told to them...even reading it themselves they percieve it as was handed down.

Many will say 'through years' of study can one understand what was literal and what was not.

There are a ton of Christians that believe 7 days was 7 days and a year was 365 of them even then...

Also for every 10 Christians that have the bible memorized less than 1 probably can correlate the events from the bible to the actual historical events at the time.

 

[Caveman]

Whoever said any "Christian" interpretations of the bible are correct?

All the fallacies that are pointed out thusfar have nothing to do with Jesus, history, or the bible. They have to do with wrong teachings by what people think are Christian.

 

[fishjie]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: fishjie

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: alkemyst
The geneology concept also relies on a literal 7 day creation theory.

Which less Christians believe in than AT will ever admit.

if you don't take that part of the bible literally, why take any part of the bible literally? if you realize that the creation myth is just that, a myth, then you are well on your way to discovering the truth.

I seriously doubt that early people could of understood the inner workings of the big bang and evolution.

bingo!

the people who wrote the bible were ignorant and superstitious. yet you put your faith in them. why? is there any indication in the bible that those passages weren't to be taken literally? paul believed adam and eve existed. jesus mentions the OT multiple times. neither of them thought thy were merely just made up metaphors. if the people who wrote the bible had no clue wtf they were talking about, why trust them with anything else?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: fishjie

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: fishjie

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: alkemyst
The geneology concept also relies on a literal 7 day creation theory.

Which less Christians believe in than AT will ever admit.

if you don't take that part of the bible literally, why take any part of the bible literally? if you realize that the creation myth is just that, a myth, then you are well on your way to discovering the truth.

I seriously doubt that early people could of understood the inner workings of the big bang and evolution.

bingo!

the people who wrote the bible were ignorant and superstitious. yet you put your faith in them. why? is there any indication in the bible that those passages weren't to be taken literally? paul believed adam and eve existed. jesus mentions the OT multiple times. neither of them thought thy were merely just made up metaphors. if the people who wrote the bible had no clue wtf they were talking about, why trust them with anything else?

Bingo my rear.

Look You guys that actually have a clue . I help ya. Google does nice work .

Here is a Mans name that didn't get into the Big Book He is mentioned a few times but thats about it. First tri to find some of the missing Gosphels. It will help you a lot on this 6 day bolony. Era is mentioned many many times. ERA = 1,000,000 years as we know time today!

ANYbody afraid not to learn don't read what this man wrote Stay ignorant.

Enoch is that Guy. Find out who he is. Read what he wrote and you will understand clearly why his books didn't make it.

 

[fishjie]

ah, so you accept books not in the bible canon? their teachers are heretical. they make the contradictions in the bible even more exponential. now in addition to the contradictions in the canon, you also have contradictions in non canon books, and cross contradictions between the two. NICE!

 

[Auryg]

My roommate believes in the 6,000 year old earth. He also doesn't use the microwave because he's scared of it.