Is the i7 920 D0 the new Q6600 G0?

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Thor86

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I think that is what we both are saying. I have 4 or 5 Q6600's right now (lost track) and they range from 3.2 to 3.5 ghz. I hit the magic 3.6 once, but over the years I have had to take it down to under 3.5, and my 920 D0 NEVER was stable at 4.0

All these expected OC's are just not right. Too much exaggeration.

Hmm, I've owned 4 Q6600s and 3 of them were G0s, and all three G0s were 3.6Ghz stable.
 

Markfw

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Hmm, I've owned 4 Q6600s and 3 of them were G0s, and all three G0s were 3.6Ghz stable.
Well, that's fine, I did hit it with one. But that's not the average from all the boxes I have seen, its the highest.
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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I doubt D0s with HT on are stable with less than 1.35vcore. Secondly, I doubt anyone, even with water cooling can run D0s at full cpu load with anything over 1.25vcore.
Doubt all you want, I'm sitting here running 6x D0 920s (4/18/09 pack date) running at 1.152Vcore with LLC on EX58-UD3Rs. HT is on and the chips are 72 hour Prime stable (and memtest86+ error free) in summer weather conditions.
 
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Markfw

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Doubt all you want, I'm sitting here running 6x D0 920s (4/18/09 pack date) running at 1.152Vcore with LLC on EX58-UD3Rs. HT is on and the chips are 72 hour Prime stable (and memtest86+ error free) in summer weather conditions.

What speed are they running at ?
 

Thor86

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Well, that's fine, I did hit it with one. But that's not the average from all the boxes I have seen, its the highest.

Agreed, 3.6 were my max for air cooling for me as well. Any higher freqencies required more vcore which was too hot for air.
 

Rubycon

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My best W3520 is sitting at 4420 1.325VCORE hitting upper 70's on a Megahalem Shadow with a pair of 1850RPM Gentle Typhoons in push pull. Linpack max memory size 50 passes was used to max out temps. Not too shabby!
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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What speed are they running at ?
Sorry about that - my d0h! moment of the day
All of them buggers are at 4.0GHz (21x191). I had some BCLK headroom left (stable with minimum CPU multiplier up to ~205) but didn't really bother pushing that last 100-150MHz on the CPU.
 

aigomorla

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I doubt D0s with HT on are stable with less than 1.35vcore.

*scratches head*

Im sorry, all my chips that were D0 did at least 4 on 1.3vcore or less.

Hell even the W3580 gillbot has on STOCK AIR SINK is at 3.6. I also know she will do about 4.2 with 1.325vcore, and tops @ 4.6 @ 1.6V.

So Gillbot who pissed you off??? :X

My 975 did 4 undervolted, has a roof of about 5, but did 4.43 @ 1.375Vcore.

And yes these are HT ON values.

Its all in regards of the chip. In my regards i got very lucky. :T
 
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Gillbot

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I'm just saying, people are spreading too much FUD and expecting too much. it's the exact same as the Q6600 G0's.
 

Thor86

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Doubt all you want, I'm sitting here running 6x D0 920s (4/18/09 pack date) running at 1.152Vcore with LLC on EX58-UD3Rs. HT is on and the chips are 72 hour Prime stable (and memtest86+ error free) in summer weather conditions.

What kind of cooling and coretemp readings at full load Prime95 LargeFFTs?
 

Rubycon

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Fact is fact though, MANY MANY were disappointed with the Q6600 G0 after they expected 3.6 easy. It was NOT the norm.

I know I was! I had three, two of which started hitting the wall at 3.0 and the third one did 3.6 at 1.35 volts. I had a coretemp screenshot of it running LinX with the cores all over 100°C and it ran that way for a day without failing. Intel stock cooler is a real POS isn't it? Put a TRUE on there and hello 72°C temps, lower 30's idle.
 

Thor86

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Fact is fact though, MANY MANY were disappointed with the Q6600 G0 after they expected 3.6 easy. It was NOT the norm.

Right, but overclocking is never a gurantee, and only luck of the draw. Some have better luck than others. There are also many variables to ocing Q6600s besides vid, batch, there is also motherboard choices, psu choices, cooling choices, etc, etc.

If you know what you are doing, most cpus should overclock to a certain extent, but I am agreeing 3.6Ghz norms are not the case. 3.6Ghz OCs with Q6600s are the BEST case OCs.
 

Gillbot

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Right, but overclocking is never a gurantee, and only luck of the draw. Some have better luck than others. There are also many variables to ocing Q6600s besides vid, batch, there is also motherboard choices, psu choices, cooling choices, etc, etc.

If you know what you are doing, most cpus should overclock to a certain extent, but I am agreeing 3.6Ghz norms are not the case. 3.6Ghz OCs with Q6600s are the BEST case OCs.

Exactly, and I believe that people buying i7 920 D0's are expecting to hit 4.0GHz+ and this is the same exact trap....
 

n7

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Reaching a good OC requires luck, but it also requires skill & good components...

Most n00bs have none of the above other than luck about half the time, meaning percentage-wise, it doesn't look good...
 

Ben90

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Exactly, and I believe that people buying i7 920 D0's are expecting to hit 4.0GHz+ and this is the same exact trap....
4 out of 4 D0s ive used hit 4Ghz easy as hell, but im on the stock cooler so ive backed mine up to 3.8 @ 1.175
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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Exactly, and I believe that people buying i7 920 D0's are expecting to hit 4.0GHz+ and this is the same exact trap....
Not sure about the newer batches, but if they're anything like the ones that I've played with, I'd say 3.8-4GHz with decent Vcores isn't all that unreasonable of an expectation.
 

Ben90

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HT on? Temps? Voltages?
Lol I pull around a 3 Distance to TJ Max for 4ghz/HT/1.225 Im on the badass stock cooler though=why im running 3.8/No/1.175 right now. I know if i did linpack, it would throttle in seconds, but the biggest workout my cores get is 4x FAH and it sits around 30 DTJMax

If i had better cooling, im pretty confident that it could go higher. The hardest problem i think would be getting my uncore to cooperate as it seems to have problems above 3.2Ghz. I think its the IMC fault, but im too lazy to test it out as of right now.

In your OP you said that you managed to get to 4.0, but temps were a little crazy. Thats to be expected as these things chug power like crazy, i think people get the impression that these chips hit 4.0 with ease from the early adopters who are running megahalems or custom CNC'd .2mm waterblocks and 2x480 rads. These same early adopters have been overclocking for years and understand that the CPU is only one part of the equation of many variables. See now i can say im prime stable 4/HT/1.225, but it took me a long ass time to figure out that my uncore was what was holding me back. A lot of the threads i see now with people trying to overclock, the OP is just asking for "what settings do i need for 4ghz?" without trying to understand the concepts behind overclocking, i mean, jesus there is a thread on the front page called OC without a brain, where the guy is pushing 1.45v on a 860
 
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Gillbot

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Lol I pull around a 3 Distance to TJ Max for 4ghz/HT/1.225 Im on the badass stock cooler though=why im running 3.8/No/1.175 right now. I know if i did linpack, it would throttle in seconds, but the biggest workout my cores get is 4x FAH and it sits around 30 DTJMax

If i had better cooling, im pretty confident that it could go higher. The hardest problem i think would be getting my uncore to cooperate as it seems to have problems above 3.2Ghz. I think its the IMC fault, but im too lazy to test it out as of right now.

In your OP you said that you managed to get to 4.0, but temps were a little crazy. Thats to be expected as these things chug power like crazy, i think people get the impression that these chips hit 4.0 with ease from the early adopters who are running megahalems or custom CNC'd .2mm waterblocks and 2x480 rads. These same early adopters have been overclocking for years and understand that the CPU is only one part of the equation of many variables. See now i can say im prime stable 4/HT/1.225, but it took me a long ass time to figure out that my uncore was what was holding me back. A lot of the threads i see now with people trying to overclock, the OP is just asking for "what settings do i need for 4ghz?" without trying to understand the concepts behind overclocking, i mean, jesus there is a thread on the front page called OC without a brain, where the guy is pushing 1.45v on a 860

But that's exactly my point. people buy these completely expecting to hit a certain clock without the knowledge or hardware to back it up. The only clock you should expect is stock.
 

Rubycon

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But that's exactly my point. people buy these completely expecting to hit a certain clock without the knowledge or hardware to back it up. The only clock you should expect is stock.

It's a Lottery plain and simple. If you want a better chance at winning you have to buy more tickets.
 

aamsel

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But that's exactly my point. people buy these completely expecting to hit a certain clock without the knowledge or hardware to back it up. The only clock you should expect is stock.

Have there been many reported 920 D0's that won't get to 3.5GHz with few tweaks on a decent quality X58 board? I don't recall many.

That being the case, it is not being able to get to 4.0 that is the "deal breaker" for many overclockers with 920's, or that seems to be the case:

A 2.66 GHz chip to 3.5 is a failure.
A 2.66 GHz chip to 4.0 is a success.

The i7, in general, seems far more complicated to overclock than 775.
The i7 has always had thermal issues.



It's a Lottery plain and simple. If you want a better chance at winning you have to buy more tickets.

Eloquently put!
 

Gillbot

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Have there been many reported 920 D0's that won't get to 3.5GHz with few tweaks on a decent quality X58 board? I don't recall many.

That being the case, it is not being able to get to 4.0 that is the "deal breaker" for many overclockers with 920's, or that seems to be the case:

A 2.66 GHz chip to 3.5 is a failure.
A 2.66 GHz chip to 4.0 is a success.

The i7, in general, seems far more complicated to overclock than 775.
The i7 has always had thermal issues.





Eloquently put!

You just further proved my point though....

Many who don't bother to read into the details buy whatever cheap parts they can find, throw it together and expect an easy 4.0GHz without doing any real work or tweaking.
 
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