Question Is the MLC Nand technology SATA III still the fastest SSD in 2019?

Harry_Wild

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I wanted to get an update as to what NAND technology creates the fastest SSDin terms of boot up, internet browsing and 4K streaming video. mI know that QLC is the slowest, since it is used for big business data center for analysis purposes and the opposite of what I am doing.
 

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SATA is a dead-end technology at this point.

If you want a high performance SATA drive, there is pretty much only the 860 PRO left. Everybody has moved to NVMe for the high-end, and I don't suspect anyone has further plans for high-end SATA drives at this point.

Theoretically MLC is still the fastest, but it's somewhat academic, as even TLC drives (860EVO, MX500) are pretty much maxing out the SATA interface already.
 

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SATA is a dead-end technology at this point.

If you want a high performance SATA drive, there is pretty much only the 860 PRO left. Everybody has moved to NVMe for the high-end, and I don't suspect anyone has further plans for high-end SATA drives at this point.

Theoretically MLC is still the fastest, but it's somewhat academic, as even TLC drives (860EVO, MX500) are pretty much maxing out the SATA interface already.

NvME is still for newer PC systems. But many if not all PC users like myself have big investment in existing PC system that do not have the ability to switch over to BIOS UEFI support for NvME. SATA III have probably user base of 95% of all existing PCs. These SATA III systems still is “king” in terms of sales upgrade SSD, not NvME. Cheap and still fast for normal PC usage, SATA III 6GB per second plenty fast. 600 mb read/write too, fast enough!
 

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NvME is still for newer PC systems. But many if not all PC users like myself have big investment in existing PC system that do not have the ability to switch over to BIOS UEFI support for NvME. SATA III have probably user base of 95% of all existing PCs. These SATA III systems still is “king” in terms of sales upgrade SSD, not NvME. Cheap and still fast for normal PC usage, SATA III 6GB per second plenty fast. 600 mb read/write too, fast enough!

Who said otherwise?

Actually, QLC is going to be a perfect fit for SATA. High capacity, cheap and fast enough for the purpose. The 860 QVO is quite impressive.
 

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Who said otherwise?

Actually, QLC is going to be a perfect fit for SATA. High capacity, cheap and fast enough for the purpose. The 860 QVO is quite impressive.

It the slowest form of NAND for SSD. It primarily uses for data centers that store gobs of data and the QLC SSD can read and write at 4 bits instead of one or three bits. But for normal PC use like web browsing and watching videos, it is slow!
 

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It the slowest form of NAND for SSD. It primarily uses for data centers that store gobs of data and the QLC SSD can read and write at 4 bits instead of one or three bits.

Which is why manufacturers implement SLC caching. Unless you regularly write 40GB+ worth of data, it's a complete non-issue.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13633/the-samsung-860-qvo-ssd-review/2

Enterprise usage is a completely different game.

But for normal PC use like web browsing and watching videos, it is slow!

Trust me, for that kind of workload, you wont feel any difference between a bargain basement drive and a 860 PRO. Or 970 PRO. Any performance issues with web-browsing and watching video will likely be elsewhere. F.x. an obsolete GPU, a slow CPU or too little memory. Or just a slow'ish internet connection.

Source, having used everything from an X25-V (9 years ago, was it?) to a Samsung 970 PRO. With a few enterprise drives thrown in.
 
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TLC in the SATA space has really reached the level where you're not going to see much difference between it and older MLC drives. SATA genuinely is the bottleneck, whether it's still ubiquitous or not. There are still really high performance SATA SSDs out there, but you won't see many of those options in the consumer space because the real outliers that extract the last ounce of performance from SATA, such as Power Loss Protection that allows an SSD to acknowledge data before it's written is relegated to Enterprise options that consumers tend not to want to pay for (consumer SSDs segments is still a race to the bottom, not a race to the top).

Intel for instance just released the D3-S4510 a few months ago. With 3D TLC, Powerloss Protection, and 7.1PB of write endurance, it's more than capable of wringing every last ounce of performance out of the SATA 3 standard. But at $300 for a 1TB drive, most people would be happy just paying half that for a Crucial MX500. Because unless you're running benchmarks for fun all day, it's not going to make any meaningful difference in day to day usage.
 
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Harry_Wild

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Thanks for all the replies! Know this, I will be upgrading to a 2TB 2.5” SSD SATA III when the prices fall probably in the 3rd quarter or on Black Friday! Love to get a new SSD each year! I just take the current desktop one and put it in to my laptop! LOL!
 
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leexgx

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850 or 860 pro are still typically the fastest for sata ssds for writes (speeds Between TLC and MLC reads Are more or less same) Pro s they don't use SLC caching so they stay at full speed for all free space available (it still slow down but you have to write equal to the amount of free space available to bring it to steady state speeds) which no normal person would do unless it was in a server setup or mass media creation/scratch drive

But if not 850 evo or higher your very unlikely to see any improvements in system response going to a MLC based ssd (going NVME is the next jump)

Pro ssds have higher data reliability and will contune error free until they suddenly fail (witch is above 2-3PB of written data, most people don't go above 20Tb writen in overall use)
 

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850 or 860 pro are still typically the fastest for sata ssds for writes (speeds Between TLC and MLC reads Are more or less same) Pro s they don't use SLC caching so they stay at full speed for all free space available (it still slow down but you have to write equal to the amount of free space available to bring it to steady state speeds) which no normal person would do unless it was in a server setup or mass media creation/scratch drive

One additional use case for MLC SSD is actually (ironically) as external drives. Because of the simple fact that you tend to write a lot of data to such in one go, which can overwhelm the SLC cache.

An example would be disk images. They tend to be rather large. Or just a large photo library with a few 10.000's worth of files.

Pro ssds have higher data reliability and will contune error free until they suddenly fail (witch is above 2-3PB of written data, most people don't go above 20Tb writen in overall use)

There is theoretical reliability, and there is practical reliability. It doesn't really matter if its the controller, components or NAND that goes south, either way you're not accessing the data on the drive.

The worst part of SSD is when they fail, they fail hard. There is next to no chance of getting data off a failed SSD. Unlike HDDs which sometimes fail gracefully, at least giving a chance of getting data off. As always, a good backup is essential.

(anecdotal evidence, but still...) Thankfully SSD are far, far more reliable then HDDs. In 10 years, I've only had 3 fail on me. HDDs are more like 20+.
 

leexgx

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Yep overall I only had 4 ssds fail (3 SanDisk same model I think SanDisk plus ultra) and my own Samsung 840 evo (but that might of been my fault as system was on for 30 days unattended so thinking power spike or something was writing mass data)

I typically just buy 850 pro 250gb ssds now as they have less likely chance to fail then evos and get them for good price used (£45) most have led then 10tb written witch is nothing on a pro ssd
 
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