Is the movie Trainspotting really good?

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flavio

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Originally posted by: gopunk
It was a good and entertaining story with many laughs and lots to think about. There's a lot of bad decisions made in movies, I don't know what the big deal is. I greatly enjoyed Dumb & Dumber and they are much more "retarded" then the characters in Trainspotting.

*Gasp*

they're not retarded in the same way. i've never watched it, but i would guess that their retardedness is one such that i would laugh because of it, whereas i would not be inclined to laugh from the retardedness of the characters in trainspotting (with respect to the addiction at least).

and yes, there are lots of bad decisions made in movies, but not many movies focus on the main character making the same GD un-funny mistake over and over again. for example, if they had a movie about rabbit's mom from 8 mile, i probably wouldn't want to see that either. i don't mind watching movies that aren't happy or that deal with depressing subjects, but i do mind watching movies about people who f*ck their own lives up in a non-comedic fashion.

look, you like it.... other people like it... that's great. all i'm saying is that i didn't like it, and giving my reasons. there is no right or wrong when it comes to things like this.

Fair enough, sounds like you're a little sensitive about certain storylines. I don't know who rabbit's mom is but I'm wondering if you're more inclined to be sensitive about drug stories for some reason or whether it's just anyone making bad life decisions.

What about if you're watching a horror movie and the characters decide it would be a good idea to split up?

I'll watch movies with just about any subject matter as long as they are done well.
 

gopunk

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Fair enough, sounds like you're a little sensitive about certain storylines. I don't know who rabbit's mom is but I'm wondering if you're more inclined to be sensitive about drug stories for some reason or whether it's just anyone making bad life decisions.

What about if you're watching a horror movie and the characters decide it would be a good idea to split up?

I'll watch movies with just about any subject matter as long as they are done well.

It's the latter... rabbit's mom wasn't doing drugs... at least not that I was aware of. She was just your typical trailer park trash that kept on making bad decisions. Like I said, I just don't like watching people being retarded when it isn't humorous.

I don't watch many horror movies, but when I do, I'm not too bothered by them splitting up. Sure, I yell at the TV, but that's not really a big part of the movie IMO.
 

flavio

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It's the latter... rabbit's mom wasn't doing drugs... at least not that I was aware of. She was just your typical trailer park trash that kept on making bad decisions. Like I said, I just don't like watching people being retarded when it isn't humorous.

Well, it is sad to see otherwise likeable characters make bad decisions. But this is all about a preference for subject matter and has little to do with what makes for a good movie.



 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: flavio
It's the latter... rabbit's mom wasn't doing drugs... at least not that I was aware of. She was just your typical trailer park trash that kept on making bad decisions. Like I said, I just don't like watching people being retarded when it isn't humorous.

Well, it is sad to see otherwise likeable characters make bad decisions. But this is all about a preference for subject matter and has little to do with what makes for a good movie.

the definition of what makes a "good" movie varies from person to person. but i am not making any statements about whether it is a good or bad movie... just saying that i didn't like it. i'm sure whoever made it has plenty of talent... it's just not my cup of tea. and frankly, when somebody asks you if a movie is good, i think they are looking for your personal opinion on the movie. i don't think they are looking for an objective analysis on the cinematic skill involved... i think they are looking for whether or not you liked it.
 

flavio

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Well there's lots of people out there that don't like any movie that doesn't have a happy ending. It may seem ridiculous but it's more common than you think.

when somebody asks you if a movie is good, i think they are looking for your personal opinion on the movie.

Now if I asked for their opnion on whether a movie was good or not without knowing about their bias for happy endings I would miss out on alot of good stuff since I don't share this bias.

The same way in which you have a bias against movies with characters that make poor life decisions. Most people do not share that bias and will miss out on many good movies if they don't know about your bias about certain subject matter.

 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: flavio
Well there's lots of people out there that don't like any movie that doesn't have a happy ending. It may seem ridiculous but it's more common than you think.

when somebody asks you if a movie is good, i think they are looking for your personal opinion on the movie.

Now if I asked for their opnion on whether a movie was good or not without knowing about their bias for happy endings I would miss out on alot of good stuff since I don't share this bias.

The same way in which you have a bias against movies with characters that make poor life decisions. Most people do not share that bias and will miss out on many good movies if they don't know about your bias about certain subject matter.

1. this is why you should think for yourself instead of blindly following others... when somebody gives their opinion, you should always think about whether or not you should listen to it. i would definitely *not* want people to base their decisions solely on the posts i make here. that would be a little weird.
2. i am (i think) the only dissenting opinion in this thread. i don't think we have to worry about him missing out.
3. i gave my reasons for my opinion, so he can decide whether or not he would want to see the movie
4. all opinions are based on biases... i don't think it is necessary for everyone to list all the biases that went into their opinion.
 

flavio

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Well gopunk, you've got me wondering what other good movies you wouldn't like because of this preference of yours but I'm having trouble coming up with "poor life decision" type movies at the moment.

How about:

American Beauty
Cool Hand Luke
Taxi Driver
Dog Day Afternoon

...and I would say definately stay away from Requiem For A Dream. While it left me speechless, on the verge of tears, and determined to buy it the next day...it just isn't for you.
 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: flavio
Well gopunk, you've got me wondering what other good movies you wouldn't like because of this preference of yours but I'm having trouble coming up with "poor life decision" type movies at the moment.

How about:

American Beauty
Cool Hand Luke
Taxi Driver
Dog Day Afternoon

...and I would say definately stay away from Requiem For A Dream. While it left me speechless, on the verge of tears, and determined to buy it the next day...it just isn't for you.

Nope, I liked the first two (well what little I saw of the second at least)... haven't seen the third, never even heard of the fourth. Yup, no plans to see Requiem for a Dream here.

I'm having a hard time thinking of similar movies as well... there aren't that many movies I've seen that I really dislike. If you ever see 8 Mile, look at eminem's mom and think about a movie all about her. That would be one that I wouldn't want to watch. Or have you seen Traffic? Think about a movie all about that attorney's daughter. There's another one. Or any movie that is all about any of the people you see on COPS... like their life story or something Or any movie about the fall of an empire/dynasty due to a great leader dying and their successor being totally incompetant. For example a movie about Cleopatra's brother (dunno if you've seen Cleopatra) would probably piss me off because he's so stupid.

As for American Beauty, if the movie was about the mother/wife, then I would probably dislike it. I don't really feel like the dad/husband kept on making bad choices though... he was happy, after all
 

Jzero

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as long as they don't have retarded people who keep in f*cking up their own lives in them. i see enough of that in my own life, watching it on a screen is not entertaining for me.

But the catch is that Renton clambers out at the end and manages to start his life anew. He has the power to make "good decisions," but was constantly dogged by wanting the acceptance of his "so-called mates." But when you've just about given up on Mark Renton ever breaking free of his loser friends, he jumps and does it.

By and large, the few people I've found who didn't like Trainspotting seemed to be those who couldn't get past the "shock" of the dead baby, Tommy's death, and the "toilet scene" to actually see the real message. It DOES have a happy-happy feel-good ending, but this is one of those movies (which are rare of late) where you actually have to look for it. It doesn't smack you across the face.

 

Armitage

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Sucked really badly.
I've managed to block most of the experience from my long term memory, except for the memory that it was really stupid & sucked (so I don't make the mistake of seeing it again).
 

StageLeft

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Scanning briefly gopunk's opinion it seems that perhaps he hates this movie for the reason I hated requiem for a dream. RFAD just depressed the sh*t right out of me. I hated it for that in fact. Trainspotting, though consisting of broken pathetic useless lives, is at the same time very funny at parts. The characters are just superb and though you're not laughing at the dead crack baby, you're in tears when Spud flicks the feces everywhere. Then the movie ends on a positive note. Renton looks to have sorted out his life to an extent and though the other characters are still going on I found the movie very entertaining from start to finish.

The guy who wrote trainspotting, if it wasn't mentioned in this thread, wrote another book. It goes back to the characters a decade later. I haven't read it but wonder if a movie could be made on it as well.
 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: Jzero
as long as they don't have retarded people who keep in f*cking up their own lives in them. i see enough of that in my own life, watching it on a screen is not entertaining for me.

But the catch is that Renton clambers out at the end and manages to start his life anew. He has the power to make "good decisions," but was constantly dogged by wanting the acceptance of his "so-called mates." But when you've just about given up on Mark Renton ever breaking free of his loser friends, he jumps and does it.

By and large, the few people I've found who didn't like Trainspotting seemed to be those who couldn't get past the "shock" of the dead baby, Tommy's death, and the "toilet scene" to actually see the real message. It DOES have a happy-happy feel-good ending, but this is one of those movies (which are rare of late) where you actually have to look for it. It doesn't smack you across the face.

hmm, perhaps i gave up on it too soon then.... i ejected it after he went back to heroin for the 3rd or 5th time and the baby was crawling on the ceiling.... *again*
 

Jzero

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hmm, perhaps i gave up on it too soon then.... i ejected it after he went back to heroin for the 3rd or 5th time and the baby was crawling on the ceiling.... *again*

Doh! I encourage you to watch it the whole way through. I find that the message of hope at the end redeems all the nasty parts of the movie.

 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: Jzero
hmm, perhaps i gave up on it too soon then.... i ejected it after he went back to heroin for the 3rd or 5th time and the baby was crawling on the ceiling.... *again*

Doh! I encourage you to watch it the whole way through. I find that the message of hope at the end redeems all the nasty parts of the movie.

hmm, maybe i will... it does seem like i was a little hasty. might just fast forward to the last half hour
 
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