Discussion Is the opposite of the well known Trump statement true?

[Amol S.]

We all know that Trump made the false statement that "There were great people on both sides." However a statement like, "There were bad people on both sides." Ironically ends up being true. After all, white supremacists on one side, and ANTIFA on the other. I am not saying that Trump wanted to say the opposite statement, he never would, but rather why is it that Biden is not looking at an issue like this? If Biden could solve both ends of the problem, he might be able to have a great talking point for he should be reelected in 2024.

 

[Tsinni Dave]

Antifa is shortened from anti-fascist. You know, like the allies in WW2 and anti-fascists around the world. The good guys. The demonization of antifa movements and false equivalency is entirely a creation of generally right wing 'kinda fascist' media, politicos, agent provacateurs and used as cover for run of the mill looters. My father volunteered in June 1941 to fight fascism. All the men in my mother's family were killed by fascists for being in the resistance in Belgium. I can relate to antifa. The in your fucking face creeping fascism of the Trump years created an anti-fascist response. Equating antifa to the fascist "Jews will not replace us" crowd is like asking a victim to apologize for using their face to break their attackers fist. Has antifa been a big problem in the past two years, or did it turn back into the populace once the fascist threat decreased?

 

[Amol S.]

Antifa is shortened from anti-fascist. You know, like the allies in WW2 and anti-fascists around the world. The good guys. The demonization of antifa movements and false equivalency is entirely a creation of generally right wing 'kinda fascist' media, politicos, agent provacateurs and used as cover for run of the mill looters. My father volunteered in June 1941 to fight fascism. All the men in my mother's family were killed by fascists for being in the resistance in Belgium. I can relate to antifa. The in your fucking face creeping fascism of the Trump years created an anti-fascist response. Equating antifa to the fascist "Jews will not replace us" crowd is like asking a victim to apologize for using their face to break their attackers fist. Has antifa been a big problem in the past two years, or did it turn back into the populace once the fascist threat decreased?

If it was not Antifa then who were the ones that burnt the stores?

 

[NWRMidnight]

If it was not Antifa then who were the ones that burnt the stores?

boogaloo bois and other far right extremist groups, many who where wearing disguises to appear to be BLM and Antifa.. Of course, I believe this has already been discussed in the thread topic about the riots. You can even do a little google searching yourself and find that the majority of the violence and the burning of stores and such, where not not Antifa or BLM. So, stop being lazy and expecting people to do the research for you.

 

[eelw]

On Canadian board, Trudeau haters always ignore when they are asked what has he done that is truly like a dictator or dividing the country? Fine, very laxed immigration policy. Panders to other world leaders. Calling out nazi sympathizers is a bad thing? Increasing carbon taxes to curb emissions but him travelling across the country while doing PM things isnt kind of like his job?

The high bar the extreme right attempts to hold anyone that doesn’t agree with them is just so hypocritical. Yup racism is fine when they do it. Everyone else is woke but only they are allowed to have a cancel culture. They can demand things that effect all even though they represent the minority.

Sure there are bad elements from an aggressively progressive policy, it just pales in comparison to the nut jobbery happening on the right.

 

[cytg111]

Tf is this


…

Show us an organizational hierarchy diagram, business model, of this anarchistic entity.

Also. This may be a trap.

 

[Leeea]

ANTIFA on the other

Anti-Facists are good people.

I admire Jose Lopez, who murdered over 100 fascists. A true hero if you ask me.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-may-18-me-joselopezobit18-story.html

 

[Jaskalas]

but rather why is it that Biden is not looking at an issue like this?

Why is Biden not looking into ANTIFA?
First, Biden wouldn't. Someone in the Department of Justice (or FBI) would.
Second, firefighters tend to follow the smoke to learn where the fire is. Where they need to be.
With regards to left wing violence, organized violence, where's the smoke? Where is the substantive and realized threat?
January 6th set many eyeballs and much focus onto right wing violence, and rightly so.

When a Wolf eats your Sheep, you don't go investigating the Cows. Likewise,
When Republicans assault the Government, the Government is not going to go investigating Left Wing groups.

While, in a vacuum, all deserve attention, resources are limited and the threat is off the charts. Government response is a matter of triage and dealing with priorities. January 6 made ONE HELL of a priority out of stopping MAGA. Which is impossible, but that won't stop people from trying to keep the peace by ensuring justice prevails over criminal actions and actors.

 

[Greenman]

We're supposed to believe that Antifa is the superior brand of fascism. This is based on the idea that every turd has a clean end.
They're no better than any other idiot that believes his brand of hate is righteous hate, justified hate.
It's all the same shit.

 

[Tsinni Dave]

We're supposed to believe that Antifa is the superior brand of fascism. This is based on the idea that every turd has a clean end.
They're no better than any other idiot that believes his brand of hate is righteous hate, justified hate.
It's all the same shit.

Anti-fascism is by definition the fucking opposite of fascism. JFC.

 

[Greenman]

Anti-fascism is by definition the fucking opposite of fascism. JFC.

So MAGA means everything they do is to Make America Great Again. I'm glad you cleared that up for me. I didn't realize there was absolute honesty in the naming of an organization.

 

[Tsinni Dave]

Antifa isn't an organization. JFC.

 

[cytg111]

So MAGA means everything they do is to Make America Great Again. I'm glad you cleared that up for me. I didn't realize there was absolutean honesty in the naming of an organization.

With the distinct difference that Antifa dont have leadership. MAGAs do.
You will find “antifa” all over the western world, though not always branded “antifa”.. its a natural consequence of civilized society that doesnt fit all young people - yet. 99.99% grow out of their anarchist phase and assimilate into society. That is ANTIFA. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[kt]

So MAGA means everything they do is to Make America Great Again. I'm glad you cleared that up for me. I didn't realize there was absolute honesty in the naming of an organization.

I'll concede if you can point me to when and how America was great.

 

[soundforbjt]

So MAGA means everything they do is to Make America Great Again. I'm glad you cleared that up for me. I didn't realize there was absolute honesty in the naming of an organization.

The problem lies with what their vision of a Great America is.

 

[Greenman]

I'll concede if you can point me to when and how America was great.

We need to agree on the definition of great. My hunch is that will never happen.

 

[Tsinni Dave]

We need to agree on the definition of great. My hunch is that will never happen.

If your understanding of the definition of anti-fascism is that it is somehow fascism, your definition of "great" should be quite interesting.

 

[kt]

We need to agree on the definition of great. My hunch is that will never happen.

What's your definition of great? The MAGA crowds think America was great, I just want to know when and how. Was it in the 80's? 70's? 60's? 50's? Or do we need to go back further into the 1800's or 1700's? The problem is that the "greatness" of America has always come at an expense or detriment to someone else.

 

[Tsinni Dave]

Anti-Facists are good people.

I admire Jose Lopez, who murdered over 100 fascists. A true hero if you ask me.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-may-18-me-joselopezobit18-story.html

That's a hell of a tale for a 130 lb. soldier.

 

[alien42]

Congrats on yet another stupid and misinformed thread Amol, you're the champ!

 

[zinfamous]

If it was not Antifa then who were the ones that burnt the stores?

There is no documented case of Antifa violence. Publicly available arrest documents regarding the violence and looting during the 2020 protests were by MAGA fascists dressed in black, trying to start the race riots that they always promised.

This is the truth. Republican fascists trying to claim otherwise are lying to you, and their lies are easy to disprove through public record.

 

[hal2kilo]

We all know that Trump made the false statement that "There were great people on both sides." However a statement like, "There were bad people on both sides." Ironically ends up being true. After all, white supremacists on one side, and ANTIFA on the other. I am not saying that Trump wanted to say the opposite statement, he never would, but rather why is it that Biden is not looking at an issue like this? If Biden could solve both ends of the problem, he might be able to have a great talking point for he should be reelected in 2024.

Where's rolls eyes icon response.

 

[Drach]

Where's rolls eyes icon response.

:roll-eyes: without the -

 

[pmv]

Anti-Facists are good people.

I admire Jose Lopez, who murdered over 100 fascists. A true hero if you ask me.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-may-18-me-joselopezobit18-story.html

Sounds like the last part of "Fury", only without the tank!

 

[Amol S.]

I appologize as I did not know it was PB in disguise that were the ones who burnt down the shops.