96 vs 192 shaders (taken from HD Graphics 510 and 530). Frequency depends on processor.Whats the difference between the HD610 and HD630?
96 vs 192 shaders (taken from HD Graphics 510 and 530). Frequency depends on processor.Whats the difference between the HD610 and HD630?
Thats been my rational for several years. A video card is a lot easier to replace than a chip and is the one major part you will want to replace these days of 5 year cpus. Its not that hard to swap drives around (or just buy an ssd first and add on HDD later) either.
How does the HD610 and HD630 stack up to an NV GT610/620 / GT630/730 (DDR3) card? For desktop usage and 1080P / HDMI/DVI video watching?
Was wondering, if I upgrade my friend's rig, if I should re-use his GT610 video card, and just get the G4560 / HD610, or get the G4600 / HD630, and leave off the GPU?
Those GPUs suck as they cannot hardware decode HEVC, never mind 10-bit
That's a very good point. I wasn't really considering that my friend would be watching HEVC, but if that or VP9 takes off, then that's a real possibility 2-5 years down the line.
Likewise, would it be better to spring for the HD630, just in case there's some newer codec that gets implemented in the drivers as a "hybrid" (GPU) solution for decode?
Yeah, but who in 2011 planned on keeping the same CPU for five to seven years?Remember those arguing for saving $100 for a 955BE instead of a 2500K because that $100 can be spent on a better GPU back in 2011?
Guess who look like fools now?
I suppose that is because modern games are shooting for quad-core CPUs, performance-wise. I went to check out the system requirement of Star Citizen, and it is as follows:Okay, fine, but really what this digression into HT is about in regards to this thread is the fact that it works MUCH better on duals than quads and hexacores, something that many, including you, seem to have only become aware of recently. Perhaps your HT tutorial could come to some conclusions of why this is so in order to remain topical.
Thank you. I have long lost track of all the different SKUs Intel churns out.lopri" said:What distinguishes Pentium from i3?
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Remember those arguing for saving $100 for a 955BE instead of a 2500K because that $100 can be spent on a better GPU back in 2011?
Guess who look like fools now?
Yeah, but who in 2011 planned on keeping the same CPU for five to seven years?
I think, in hindsight, that the clues were there.Sure but that argument has been made for years now after that generation and given past history was good advice in 2011. Post 2013 not so much.
Indeed. I didn't with my 955. The AMD chip was the best option for those on a cheap budget (like they were for several years). If I knew then what I know now, I would have bought a 2600k instead of my 2500k. I did ok with upgrading my 955 system to an 8350 but meh, I would have been better off getting a whole new system around an 8350 and a new 970/990 board.
Try adding adding another stick of memory. You should see enough improvement to be worth the extra stick.Ok, got my G4600 Kaby Lake Pentium dual-core with Hyperthreading (3.6Ghz) today.
Put it into my DeskMini that had a G3900 Skylake Celeron in it. Still rocking only a single stick of DDR4-2400, so I'm in single-channel. (I thought ahead to Kaby Lake when I got RAM for my DeskMini units, that's why I got 2400.)
For browsing the forums with Waterfox 50.1.0 in Win10 1607 64-bit, it seems marginally faster, but not much. I'm guessing, just the single-threaded speed differences between the 2.8Ghz SKL and the 3.6Ghz KBL. I doubt that the HT is doing much yet, as I tested Waterfox (or was it Firefox) on PeaceKeeper a while back, between my BLCK OCed i5-6400, and my G4400, at roughly the same speed, but with double the threads, it still scored pretty-much the same.
Edit: CPU-Z 1.78 benchmark results:
ST: 1793
MT: 4064
(single-channel DDR4-2400)
Try adding adding another stick of memory. You should see enough improvement to be worth the extra stick.
That's not as true for those who buy and then SELL their hardware. For instance if I buy a $250 CPU, keep it for a year, then sell if for $200, I've more or less "rented" that CPU for less than $5/mo. I don't mind the extra expenditure because it's a hobby for me, not just a business decision. It's not the best use of money, but neiter is it as bad as some make it out to be.I don't get the idea of "stopgap" CPUs/components. That's just double dipping, handing your money over twice to the CPU company when you could just hand it over once for a good CPU and not need to come back for 3-5 years+.
I can virtually guarantee that anybody who buys a 7700K for a gaming PC today will not "need" to upgrade for a long, long time. Even the i5 7600 isn't going to be a problem for a long time.
But a Celeron, Pentium, or i3? That'll need to be upgraded much sooner.
Now of course this argument works IF you have the money to spend upfront for the i7. If you don't, then you buy the best you can and ride it as long as possible. But people who CAN afford the 7700K but end up just throwing money away on stopgaps are just enriching Intel and its shareholders at the expense of their own pocketbooks.
That's not as true for those who buy and then SELL their hardware. For instance if I buy a $250 CPU, keep it for a year, then sell if for $200, I've more or less "rented" that CPU for less than $5/mo. I don't mind the extra expenditure because it's a hobby for me, not just a business decision. It's not the best use of money, but neiter is it as bad as some make it out to be.
I mentally lumped poofyhairguy into our hobbyist category, but maybe we should ask him.If it is a hobby, then all bets are off. I personally do that too, I buy and sell hardware like crazy, the hobby costs me money, but since I enjoy it it's all worth it -- to me!
I'm more talking about the people who just want to build a system to game and want to get the best value for their money over the long term.
I mentally lumped poofyhairguy into our hobbyist category, but maybe we should ask him.
That's not as true for those who buy and then SELL their hardware. For instance if I buy a $250 CPU, keep it for a year, then sell if for $200, I've more or less "rented" that CPU for less than $5/mo. I don't mind the extra expenditure because it's a hobby for me, not just a business decision. It's not the best use of money, but neiter is it as bad as some make it out to be.
I'm under the impression their fees are at least that much.Heck if I can sell my 4790K now on Ebay I would have only lost $30 which is a pittance for 2.5 years of use.
That's kind of what I figured. That's next on my list to purchase, another 2x8GB DDR4 SO-DIMM kit.
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Wow, HEVC and VP9, up to 10-bit and 8K. The media-decode block on KBL is impressive!
I'm thinking to get a few of these for F&F. Time to upgrade, everybody!