Is the Sony Xperia X Performance the best phone on the planet?

BoozeHobo

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I can't believe how underrated this phone is!



First a quick glance:
It has DUAL FRONT FACING STEREO SPEAKERS
It is WATERPROOF, IP68 certified
(also yeah great camera and all that stuff, wgaf)

Before I get into why this phone is superior to all, I'll mention the display:
It's a 1080 x 1920 LCD display (441 ppi). It has Sony's Triluminos display and X-Reality Engine, which make it one of crispest displays in the world.
Some people think Amoled would be better. But Amoled is garbage for one sole reason: its colors degrade with time. I'm not talking about burn-ins, which are actually quite rare. I'm talking about the thing everyone who ever owned an Amoled for more than a year and a half knows, that Amoleds start having a depressingly yellowish tint with time, which makes using it very frustrating and unenjoyable. LCDs however always stay as sharp and accurate as the day you bought them.
Also the X Performance has a 1080p resolution, which is the perfect sweetspot for gaming. Nobody needs these stupid 4k resolutions. The phone GPU is incapable of handling them without slowdowns, they sap the battery life, and at those ppis you can't even notice the difference.


But now, onto why the phone is supreme:
Look at these internals:

This is absolutely the best thermally engineered phone ever made. Most other phone manufacturers just slap the chip and battery anywhere and don't care.
The X Performance is the ultimate gaming phone. It's the only phone you can push to the limits. It has 2 heat pipes (as well as some slab) soldered right onto the metal back. The chip sits above those heat pipes with a thermal paste in between. Notice it was designed so one heat pipe goes all the way down to the right in contact with the metal frame, away form the battery so heat won't get near it. In phones like the Crapsung Galaxy s8 there is also a heat pipe, but it's only a marketing gimmick, cause the back and the whole phone is entirely covered in glass, a thermal insulator, so that heat pipe merely delays throttling by a few minutes, but the performance will drop to the same level in the end. The X Performance however has all metal back and sides through which the heat can escape and consequently gives you amazing sustained performance with the phone's Snapdragon 820 chipset. The only phone I've ever seen having such an amazingly designed thermal solution was the HTC One m8.
Add to that the stereo speakers. So if you can't call it the best phone ever, it's certainly the best gaming phone ever.
 

Commodus

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Short answer: no.

Long answer: you're a little too preoccupied with gaming and thermal performance, and make a lot of presumptions about both the behavior of other phones and what other people care about.

I don't do a lot of gaming on my phone, and many other people don't; priorities are different. They may see value in a quad HD screen for photography, for example. Besides, if you're going to talk about a best gaming phone, doesn't that automatically hand victory to the iPhone? iOS gets more games, tends to get them first, and they frequently run faster on hardware from the same generation.

And AMOLEDs don't always develop that tint you suggest... it really varies from company to company. And I'm not sure that many newer AMOLEDs suffer that problem.
 

BoozeHobo

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Short answer: no.

Long answer: you're a little too preoccupied with gaming and thermal performance, and make a lot of presumptions about both the behavior of other phones and what other people care about.

I don't do a lot of gaming on my phone, and many other people don't; priorities are different. They may see value in a quad HD screen for photography, for example. Besides, if you're going to talk about a best gaming phone, doesn't that automatically hand victory to the iPhone? iOS gets more games, tends to get them first, and they frequently run faster on hardware from the same generation.

And AMOLEDs don't always develop that tint you suggest... it really varies from company to company. And I'm not sure that many newer AMOLEDs suffer that problem.
That's why I said "if you can't call it the best phone ever, it's certainly the best gaming phone ever." Meaning if you are preoccupied with gaming and thermal performance then this phone is the king.

Also iphones may get the games first but that won't mean they'll run better. In fact if you are using an iphone that's not the current flagship and have updated it to the latest ios odds are you will have horrible stuttering and poor performance. I'm not claiming it's a provable fact but many many people have asserted that apple deliberately makes older iphones slower (including games, which will run laggier and make the phone hot to touch) if they update ios.

And all Amoleds degrade with time, that's a scientific fact about the way amoleds work regardless of which company makes it:
http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/20372_Do_AMOLED_phone_screens_degrad.php
 
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Oyeve

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I really don't know why people actually care about gaming and stereo speakers in a phone. Its a phone. It has a screen. No phone is a great gaming device. If I want to play games i'll use my 3DS XL or a PSP Vita to stream my PS4 games. Who cranks up their phone and uses stereo speakers? No, sorry, AMOLED is much better than LCD for devices. I have dozens of phones with AMOLED screens and not even my 7 year old Galaxy s1 shows any signs of "yellowing" screens. sure, early AMOLED had a blue tint but nothing that ever deteriorated. I also had a few Xperia phones and was never completely satified with them. Last one I had was the Z3v, it was ok, but the camera, being 21MP, was horrid.
 

Yakk

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Problem is after using AMOLED I couldn't go back, my old AMOLED galaxy tabs after years of heavy use still look pristine, a lot better than fresh new retina or other lcd displays for example. Never seen this discolouration even on the first displays.

Also prefer to play on a bigger tablet, but to each their own.
 

Commodus

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That's why I said "if you can't call it the best phone ever, it's certainly the best gaming phone ever." Meaning if you are preoccupied with gaming and thermal performance then this phone is the king.

Also iphones may get the games first but that won't mean they'll run better. In fact if you are using an iphone that's not the current flagship and have updated it to the latest ios odds are you will have horrible stuttering and poor performance. I'm not claiming it's a provable fact but many many people have asserted that apple deliberately makes older iphones slower (including games, which will run laggier and make the phone hot to touch) if they update ios.

And all Amoleds degrade with time, that's a scientific fact about the way amoleds work regardless of which company makes it:
http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/20372_Do_AMOLED_phone_screens_degrad.php

But by your logic, it's still not the king.

Remember, you're picking one model based on how well it performs right now; it certainly hasn't been around long enough to know how it'll perform in the long run. By that token, the iPhone 7 Plus wins. It's faster than the X Performance (not to mention many newer Android phones), it doesn't throttle, it has a bright LCD, there are good stereo speakers, it lasts a long time on battery and it has a wider game selection.

Also, I've used older iPhones with subsequent versions of iOS, and I have to be frank: you're wrong about the experience. Yes, iPhones can bog down toward the end of their lifecycles, but that's more like three or four years out. The iPhone 6 I had until late last year (which shipped with iOS 8) ran both iOS 9 and 10 smoothly, including games. It really depends on the model you get and how long you keep it. Also, the theory that Apple purposefully cripples older phones doesn't really hold water. If Apple wanted to steer you toward newer phones, why wouldn't it just cut off support early instead of going out of its way to upgrade devices that are up to five years old?

You clearly enjoy the Xperia X Performance. And that's fine! It does sound like it's a good balance for a gamer. But it sounds like you're so determined to justify your choice that you're clinging to inaccurate assumptions about rival devices, and dismissing anyone who has different priorities (see: "nobody needs these stupid 4K resolutions"). Your preferred device doesn't have to be the best at everything for you to like it -- and that includes the iPhone, which has its own limitations (customization and resolution, for example).
 
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Yes AMOLED degrades, but anyone claiming that LCDs don't degrade is obviously not even attempting to be objective or honest. Certainly AMOLED will faster, but it's generally nowhere near what certain people claim. There's examples for sure, but there are examples of supposedly high quality LCDs exhibiting just about all the same problems (color issues, burn-in, pixel issues), while practically none of them will ever be to the quality of good OLED, and if you tried to use them for VR you'd literally want to throw up.

As for gaming. What a farce, Apple devices are so far ahead of Android for gaming that you're being willfully obtuse to claim anything but. Yes and those people are ignoring how every other year Google has to come out and swear that they've totally made Android smooth and perform great. And that's if Qualcomm doesn't bork performance for most devices, or a certain OEM doesn't, or various other things that consistently make Android perform nowhere near the level it should.

Plus, wasn't it shown pretty conclusively that iPhones curbstomp pretty much all Android devices when it comes to throttling? Not that iPhones are perfect (far from it).

Frankly, even 1080p is too high of a target for mobile chips if you want really smooth performance. Personally I'd prefer to have a 2560x1440 resolution and render at 720p. But then I wouldn't want to game much on practically any mobile device (dedicated gaming stuff included). They're all too limited in some manner.

Just because it has stereo speakers doesn't mean they're any good (although Sony has been doing a pretty good job with their audio stuff lately, not sure if that's true of their phones or not). If you care about quality basically at all you'll be using headphones of some sort with mobile devices. Passable stereo speakers can be nice though and certainly prefer them to be front facing, so hey, fair point.

But basically, most of your points point to the iPhone 7 being a better device for what you claim.

Looks like we have found Dari's other account...

I'll say.
 

lxskllr

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Who cranks up their phone and uses stereo speakers?
I do, but I don't find stereo especially useful. I hate things in my ears, so on semi quiet boring jobs, I crank up my phone to listen to music. Stereo? Meh... 1" speaker separation doesn't get you much.
 

sweenish

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Yeah, exactly. It's much more about having two speakers pointed at you than it is about "stereo".
 

BoozeHobo

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PSP Vita to stream my PS4 games.
"PS4® Remote Play lets you access your PS4 console through your smartphone and keep playing in any room." This applies to the X Performance.

iPhone 7 Plus wins. It's faster than the X Performance (not to mention many newer Android phones), it doesn't throttle, it has a bright LCD, there are good stereo speakers
Actually the iPhone 7 plus does throttle severely, especially in the GPU department for which sustained performance matters much more than that of the CPU. If you disassemble an iphone you'll see there's barely a single heatspreader in there.
And the iphone speakers are not front facing, one of them is bottom firing and can easily get muffled by your finger. Also many people complained the two speakers sound asymmetrical/unequal.

Stereo? Meh... 1" speaker separation doesn't get you much.
You mean the front facing speakers which are more than 5.5" apart? It makes a hell of a lot of difference to have one bottom speaker firing into only one of your ears vs two speakers firing equally into both.
 

Red Storm

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Front facing/firing speakers are definitely nice, but no the Sony Xperia X Performance is not the best phone, not by a long shot.
 

cbrunny

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I have this phone. It is the best phone I've ever used, and unbelievably superior - leagues ahead - of the phone it replaced (Note 4). This phone is vastly underrated.
 

sweenish

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You mean the front facing speakers which are more than 5.5" apart? It makes a hell of a lot of difference to have one bottom speaker firing into only one of your ears vs two speakers firing equally into both.
Adding emphasis and everything like it somehow changes everything.

The discussion was about how "stereo" front facing speakers on a phone can be. The answer is not at all.

Louder, sure. This is just like the stupid SSD thread in PC Gaming. Trying to justify a personal decision on a public forum.
 

BoozeHobo

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The discussion was about how "stereo" front facing speakers on a phone can be. The answer is not at all.
Well I can personally attest to feeling a huge difference. I've owned both kinds of phones (bottom firing sinlge speaker and dual front facing) and in certain games (esp 3D horror ones) I can tell from which direction the sound is coming from and then I turn in that direction. And I don't need to wear headphones that are both uncomfortable and will turn you deaf by the time you're 50.
 

Commodus

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Actually the iPhone 7 plus does throttle severely, especially in the GPU department for which sustained performance matters much more than that of the CPU. If you disassemble an iphone you'll see there's barely a single heatspreader in there.
And the iphone speakers are not front facing, one of them is bottom firing and can easily get muffled by your finger. Also many people complained the two speakers sound asymmetrical/unequal.

Evidence, please? The most I've seen is one analyst who said he "believes" it throttles... of course, without providing evidence. Just estimates. I'd like to see clock speed tests and other real-world examples of throttling before I trust this claim. I certainly don't see evidence of this on my own iPhone 7.

And the stereo speakers sound good. They're a bit unequal, but still miles better than a mono speaker.

Again, it feels more like you're trying to justify your purchase by declaring it perfect, not by making a rational defense that explains why you prefer it, warts and all. If it doesn't have the best specs in a given area, you claim that no one really needs those improvements anyway; if something is less than flawless on a rival, you treat it like a deal breaker.

I'm reminded of a paraphrased quote from the old Sherlock Holmes TV series: "fit the theory to the facts, not the facts to the theory." Here, you've already come to a conclusion (the Xperia X Performance is the best phone ever) and are now trying to make the facts support your case.

I don't think the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus are the best at everything, for reference... certainly not in terms of screen resolution. I just think there's more concrete evidence (benchmarks, app selection, real-world use) to say that they're better gaming phones than there is for the X Performance.
 

sweenish

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Well I can personally attest to feeling a huge difference. I've owned both kinds of phones (bottom firing sinlge speaker and dual front facing) and in certain games (esp 3D horror ones) I can tell from which direction the sound is coming from and then I turn in that direction. And I don't need to wear headphones that are both uncomfortable and will turn you deaf by the time you're 50.
Because that's what headphones do, sure.
 

Commodus

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Hi,
You recommend buying this phone sony x performance?

Not at this point -- it's a year and a half old. I'd get something newer, like the Xperia XZ1, as it's going to last longer and just be more satisfying.
 

kubussz

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Not at this point -- it's a year and a half old. I'd get something newer, like the Xperia XZ1, as it's going to last longer and just be more satisfying.

what would you recommend to buy: galaxy s6 or xperia x performance? (xz1 is too expensive)
 

Commodus

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what would you recommend to buy: galaxy s6 or xperia x performance? (xz1 is too expensive)

Of the two, probably the Xperia X Performance just because the S6 has likely lost software support and probably won't have the battery life you want. You may also want to look at newer mid-range phones like the OnePlus 5 or 5T and Motorola's lineup.
 

shortylickens

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In general I like Sony phones, mostly because after a certain year they are all waterproof. But also because the compact models have fast hardware and nice screens. Its good to have a small phone in my pocket again.
And these days I'd probably recommend them over a Samsung.

HOWEVER, Nokia has finally gone Android and I'd be inclined to check those out first, knowing they usually make excellent hardware.
 
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