Is the stock I5-4440 heatsink a POS??

[sequoia464]

Looks like one.

Just getting ready to put a new machine together and was a bit dismayed when I saw the heatsink - I have an H60 that isn't being used currently, would that be sufficient for an I5-4440? Or am I fine using stock?

 

[OCGuy]

What are you trying to do with the chip?

 

[ShintaiDK]

The stock cooler is fine. I use the same cooler on my i5 4670.

 

[sequoia464]

What are you trying to do with the chip?

Just running Office apps these days - nothing demanding at all.

The stock cooler is fine. I use the same cooler on my i5 4670.

Thanks, It should be fine then for me then.

Looking for simplicity and quiet, tired of water coolers, heatsinks bigger than my cat, and fans that sound like General Electric's jet engine division produced them.

 

[OCGuy]

For keeping it as a stock chip, the heat sink is perfectly fine. Just get the dust out every now and then.

 

[nwo]

I'd use the H60 if you have it gathering dust. But the stock heatsink is fine if you are not doing any overclocking and have decent case airflow.

 

[Hubb1e]

It's even pretty quiet if you turn on fan control. The heatsink looks tiny but it does work pretty well as long as you're running stock frequencies.

 

[cytoSiN]

You definitely need fan control...it's stupidly loud otherwise.

 

[sequoia464]

Thanks for the input - I installed stock for now.

Evidently my backup power supply doesn't function any longer, will have to wait until tomorrow to actually get this running and listen to the stock fan.

 

[sequoia464]

For keeping it as a stock chip, the heat sink is perfectly fine. Just get the dust out every now and then.

Not sure, but didn't Intel lock even the turbo on Haswell?

 

[daveybrat]

Not sure, but didn't Intel lock even the turbo on Haswell?

Nope, Turbo works just fine on Haswell.

 

[escrow4]

No. Chuck it. Over here stock is 40 celsius idle and I didn't trust it to load it up. Aftermarket hits 30 idle, and closer to 60 at load. This is a cheap Thermaltake I chucked in for this office box's 4770. Bottom line, stock is junk.

 

[sequoia464]

Nope, Turbo works just fine on Haswell.

Sorry, didn't make myself clear.

Not real familiar with Intel, but I thought that with the non K (locked) Sandy and Ivybridge you could overclock the turbo above the designated speed, but this is not applicable to Haswell?

Am I wrong here?

 

[zir_blazer]

On Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge you could overclock 4 bins (400 MHz) over max Turbo, if you used a non-K Processor on a Motherboard with a Z series Chipset, not sure if it was possible on others. The extra 4 bins were removed on Haswell. I think that the most you can aim for is to force Turbo to use always the highest possible Frequency instead of depending on how many Cores are in use.

 

[bononos]

Just running Office apps these days - nothing demanding at all.

Thanks, It should be fine then for me then.

Looking for simplicity and quiet, tired of water coolers, heatsinks bigger than my cat, and fans that sound like General Electric's jet engine division produced them.

Using the stock cooler on Sandy/Ivy will give around 65C on i3 or i5 at stock settings at full load running prime or demanding games. The noise at load is audible on a cheap case but nothing close to unbearable. 65C is quite alright since Intel reports the correct temps and throttling only starts somewhere around 100C.
The H60 is a low end water cooler which isn't worth the hassle on a lightly loaded pc running mostly office apps.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

its all relative: if we consider it against almost any aftermarket option, yes, we could easily come to the conclusion that its a POS

but for stock operation, its perfectly adequate

 

[Arkaign]

I certainly wouldn't want to use WC with a locked chip, that's a bit silly. At the same time a 212 Evo can be had for less than $30 and will absolutely be whisper quiet even under load, and will cool the chip even with the fan not plugged in (LOL at a buddy who had built a 4770 non-K with one, left it unplugged, and used it for about 4 months before I said "Hey, you forgot to plug this in!".

So it's peace of mind. Fan dies? No problem, as long as you have at least some airflow in your case from big slow case fans.

 

[Arkaign]

I also loathe, detest, and absolutely hate the stock Intel fans ever since S775 days. Push pins are garbage imho.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I certainly wouldn't want to use WC with a locked chip, that's a bit silly. At the same time a 212 Evo can be had for less than $30 and will absolutely be whisper quiet even under load, and will cool the chip even with the fan not plugged in (LOL at a buddy who had built a 4770 non-K with one, left it unplugged, and used it for about 4 months before I said "Hey, you forgot to plug this in!".

So it's peace of mind. Fan dies? No problem, as long as you have at least some airflow in your case from big slow case fans.

I had an OCZ Vendetta, which is very similar, on a 1045T 2.7Ghz Thuban CPU at stock. Well, the fan seized up due to dust while doing DC, and CPU temps hit 85C. Amazingly, it kept on trucking. TJMax for that CPU is 70C.

 

[zir_blazer]

Well, the fan seized up due to dust while doing DC, and CPU temps hit 85C. Amazingly, it kept on trucking. TJMax for that CPU is 70C.

The value that you are talking about is the infamous TCaseMax, which AMD Compare wrongly states as Max Temps.
I recall than when the variable TDP was implemented in Rev. E K8s (Check here), most people were worried because a common misconception was that TCaseMax was the maximum operating temperature, however, I had an A64 Venice which I verified than the actual shutdown temp was 120°C, and on my old AIIX4 Deneb C2, I purposefully let it go higher than TCaseMax and nothing exploded, nor I had stability issues. I'm not the only one that tried, neither.

Intel says than their TCase value is the maximum value that a thermocouple embedded between the Heatspreader and the Heatsink should reach (Not the die itself, that's TJunction). Possibily AMD definition of TCaseMax, that are those 70°C you're saying, should be close to the same.

 

[sequoia464]

I certainly wouldn't want to use WC with a locked chip, that's a bit silly. At the same time a 212 Evo can be had for less than $30 and will absolutely be whisper quiet even under load, and will cool the chip even with the fan not plugged in (LOL at a buddy who had built a 4770 non-K with one, left it unplugged, and used it for about 4 months before I said "Hey, you forgot to plug this in!".

So it's peace of mind. Fan dies? No problem, as long as you have at least some airflow in your case from big slow case fans.

I understand what you are saying, I wouldn' t have purchased anything but I have an unused H60 and H80i available. Also have enough air coolers laying around here to make Alcoa jealous.

The push pins look funky for sure.

I like the idea of the quiet 212.

 

[nwo]

I also loathe, detest, and absolutely hate the stock Intel fans ever since S775 days. Push pins are garbage imho.

I agree with this 100% which is one of the reasons why I have not used an Intel stock HSF to this day.

 

[Morbus]

If it's the same as the stock cooler for the 4670, then it's fine. Some chips will run hotter than others though. Be mindful of that.