Is the US slowly dying?

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Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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The US is a declining power. The signs are numerous. Dying is probably to strong of a word though, more like "our best days are behind us".

It's a strong word, but don't underestimate the riots that'll follow mandatory cuts in spending.
 

sixone

Lifer
May 3, 2004
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Yes. Only half of us are working for a living - the other half are voting for theirs.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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hai!

The problem with the US is we are too quick to give our rights up more and more each day.

People do not understand the impact that has.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Dying? what do you mean by dying?

We won't be the only super power, we likely won't be the #1 economic monster in the world, but does that mean we are dying?
 

Mxylplyx

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Mar 21, 2007
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I fail to see why it is such a huge slap in the face when the collective efforts of over 1.3 billion people finally surpasses the efforts of 311 million.
 

Albatross

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Jul 17, 2001
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ey-to-growth-in-asia/articleshow/12531528.cms

The western civilization headquarter moved to N. America after WW2 and the engine of modernity that is USA has fulfilled its role in bringing most of the world into the modern age.
For the fist time in history, most of the human population will be relatively prosperous(in a few decades at most).
The so called decline it`s just schadenfreude mostly,per capita USA will remain one of the most prosperous.
 

PingSpike

Lifer
Feb 25, 2004
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One thing I disagree about in this thread is that the US is in this situation because of some sort of evil Chinese conspiracy. Our wounds are self inflicted. And if China is "getting rich" at our expense due to their policies, that is also our fault for allowing it to happen. I cannot hold animosity towards a nation enacting policies that it feels benefit it citizens the most, that is what it is suppose to do. I can be angry at my own for failing in the task though.
 

IGBT

Lifer
Jul 16, 2001
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well past the point of no return. Any country that corrupts it's society and educational system with political correctness deserves to be kicked to the curb.
 

Train

Lifer
Jun 22, 2000
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One thing I disagree about in this thread is that the US is in this situation because of some sort of evil Chinese conspiracy. Our wounds are self inflicted. And if China is "getting rich" at our expense due to their policies, that is also our fault for allowing it to happen. I cannot hold animosity towards a nation enacting policies that it feels benefit it citizens the most, that is what it is suppose to do. I can be angry at my own for failing in the task though.

While mostly true, China is not innocent either, currency games, for one, have helped them secure a lot of cheap manufacturing business they othrewise would not have gotten.

And if there is really an injured party due to China's shady practices, it's most likely someplace like Mexico or Brazil.
 

Hugo Drax

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Most likely what will happen will be in 50-70 years we will Collapse in a similar fashion to how the Soviet Union did. A declining superpower that kept overextending itself in global affairs, corruption and lemon socialism eroding our state of government.

Something new from the ashes will appear. Hopefully something better.

 
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amish

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Most likely what will happen will be in 50-70 years we will Collapse in a similar fashion to how the Soviet Union did. A declining superpower that kept overextending itself in global affairs, corruption and lemon socialism eroding our state of government.

Something new from the ashes will appear. Hopefully something better.


i don't know how to take this seriously when the map you give shows that Alaska would go to Russia. what a joke.
 

irishScott

Lifer
Oct 10, 2006
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I wouldn't say the us is dying, more like other powers are rising. Russia and ourselves were the first world military superpowers, we eventually beat them by becoming an economic superpower. We're not losing status, especially with our military being what it is. Others are simply getting closer to our station.
 
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irishScott

Lifer
Oct 10, 2006
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Most likely what will happen will be in 50-70 years we will Collapse in a similar fashion to how the Soviet Union did. A declining superpower that kept overextending itself in global affairs, corruption and lemon socialism eroding our state of government.

Something new from the ashes will appear. Hopefully something better.


Is this a joke? He must be assuming the entire US military has collapsed, that and he knows nothing of American culture. You want to make America strong and unified? Land a foreign army on any part of our mainland. Even without our military, we've got enough guns and education to make Afghanistan look like a picnic.
 

GTaudiophile

Lifer
Oct 24, 2000
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Have you been to China?
One word - cesspool.

A close friend recently spent a few weeks there and was blown away by how clean, organized, new, and advanced everything was.

Imagine the US starting its cities from ground 0 with modern technology/urban planning knowledge and then using its 1.2 billion-strong labor force as slaves to make it all happen.

Not too long ago I sat in a room of professors/academics that were collectively beaming in admiration for what is the Chinese Communist system. They were nearly coming to tears at how beautiful it is that in China the government says something and it's done without the democratic process that seemingly hinders the United States. While I wanted to puke, they do have a point.
 

Fritzo

Lifer
Jan 3, 2001
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hai!

The problem with the US is we are too quick to give our rights up more and more each day.

People do not understand the impact that has.

I don't think the US has a rights problem. We have a "corporations making it seem like luxury items are an essential part of life, so take out massive lines of credit to and be indebted for the rest of your life" problem.

We're also in a situation where the cost of everything is outpacing the growth of income. I figure I increased my spending power about 5% a year from the time I started working until around 2005 or so. After that, the cost of fuel, utilities, food, and health insurance, started going crazy. I found a receipt from Kroger a couple of months back dated Oct 2005 (they're a national supermarket chain) and it had things like:

1 gallon milk: $1.69
bread: $.89
eggs: $.79
cheese: $2.00
14 oz. potato chips: $1.50
etc

Today, these same items are:

1 gallon milk: $3.69
bread: $2.89
eggs: $1.79
cheese: $4.00
12 oz. potato chips: $4.00

That's more than double the cost in just 6 years. Health insurance is raising on average 25% a year. Meanwhile, salaries haven't grown at all in the last several years. If you feel poor, this is why.

I think the US is in decline simply because we spend too much, and we're overpricing ourselves to death. At this rate most of the US will be lower middle class within 10 years.
 

GTaudiophile

Lifer
Oct 24, 2000
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Most likely what will happen will be in 50-70 years we will Collapse in a similar fashion to how the Soviet Union did. A declining superpower that kept overextending itself in global affairs, corruption and lemon socialism eroding our state of government.

Something new from the ashes will appear. Hopefully something better.


LOL. Bullshit. SkyNet will become self-aware before that ever happens.
 

Kadarin

Lifer
Nov 23, 2001
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A close friend recently spent a few weeks there and was blown away by how clean, organized, new, and advanced everything was.

Imagine the US starting its cities from ground 0 with modern technology/urban planning knowledge and then using its 1.2 billion-strong labor force as slaves to make it all happen.

Not too long ago I sat in a room of professors/academics that were collectively beaming in admiration for what is the Chinese Communist system. They were nearly coming to tears at how beautiful it is that in China the government says something and it's done without the democratic process that seemingly hinders the United States. While I wanted to puke, they do have a point.

This is appropriate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village
 

GTaudiophile

Lifer
Oct 24, 2000
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I don't think the US has a rights problem. We have a "corporations making it seem like luxury items are an essential part of life, so take out massive lines of credit to and be indebted for the rest of your life" problem.

We're also in a situation where the cost of everything is outpacing the growth of income. I figure I increased my spending power about 5% a year from the time I started working until around 2005 or so. After that, the cost of fuel, utilities, food, and health insurance, started going crazy. I found a receipt from Kroger a couple of months back dated Oct 2005 (they're a national supermarket chain) and it had things like:

1 gallon milk: $1.69
bread: $.89
eggs: $.79
cheese: $2.00
14 oz. potato chips: $1.50
etc

Today, these same items are:

1 gallon milk: $3.69
bread: $2.89
eggs: $1.79
cheese: $4.00
12 oz. potato chips: $4.00

That's more than double the cost in just 6 years. Health insurance is raising on average 25% a year. Meanwhile, salaries haven't grown at all in the last several years. If you feel poor, this is why.

I think the US is in decline simply because we spend too much, and we're overpricing ourselves to death. At this rate most of the US will be lower middle class within 10 years.

What happens to those numbers when you exclude energy costs/price of gasoline? Avg. price per gallon in 2005 was about $2.60. It about $3.90 today. That is a 50% increase. So I would argue that at least half of your grocery bill has increased as a result of fuel prices alone.

This nation needs to take down Exxon & Company and start investing algae-based bio diesel fuels. If we could only break our oil addiction, I think prices would deflate substantially. This of course poses its own problems.
 
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