Is the USA becoming more Christian?

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: sierrita

Originally posted by: Stunt


The state banned interracial marriages?
The church openly condemned interracial marriages?
This is news to me!

Wow, ever bother to google before posting?

During the 1950s, half of the states still had laws prohibiting interracial marriage.



What's History?

So you agree America is becoming more secular...the whole point of this argument?

You can run but you can't hide.

Are you even responding to my post?
Those links mean secualism is progressing.

Are you really that dense?



I am simply respnding to your statements about states banning inter racial marriage.


Originally posted by: Stunt


The state banned interracial marriages?
The church openly condemned interracial marriages?
This is news to me!


Get It?

 

[EatSpam]

Personally, I don't think more people are becoming Christian. I think those that are Christian are just pushing their faith harder on themselves and others.

I think this is the result of the way the War on Terrrrrarrr!!! is being represented. I believe George W. called it a Crusade, before being quickly hushed by his puppetmasters. And for some, a Crusade is accurate - its become a Christian vs. Muslim war in their minds, so naturally, they're going to cheer for their team. Think of a pro-sports fanatic painting himself in "his" team's colors - the Christianists in America are doing the same kind of thing.

Plus, for some, Good American = Christian, so they're thinking along those lines, too. Even my father, an atheist, is trying to play up the Christian thing so he can be a "good American." The power of conformity here, folks.

I think religion has no place in politics. I believe in religious freedom, yes, but I think things like human rights, the concept of the greater good, and rational thought should be the basis of political decisions and trump any religious considerations.

Some people are looking forward to a gay president, a female president, or a black president. Those are all well and good, but I'm not going to vote for someone just because of their race/gender/sexual orientation. But, I would be happy to vote for a candidate who is an atheist or agnostic.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Stunt

That's not the church, that's some extremist website.
And doesn't address any of questions...

Religoustolerance.org is an extremist website now? Huh?

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: feralkid
Are you really that dense?



I am simply respnding to your statements about states banning inter racial marriage.


Originally posted by: Stunt


The state banned interracial marriages?
The church openly condemned interracial marriages?
This is news to me!


Get It?

a) I was indeed unaware of those laws.
b) I did ask the questions.
c) You are actually supporting my arguments for the purpose of this thread.

Thanks

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: feralkid
Are you really that dense?



I am simply respnding to your statements about states banning inter racial marriage.


Originally posted by: Stunt


The state banned interracial marriages?
The church openly condemned interracial marriages?
This is news to me!


Get It?

a) I was indeed unaware of those laws.
b) I did ask the questions.
c) You are actually supporting my arguments for the purpose of this thread.

Thanks

Put down the bong, Beavis.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: feralkid
Are you really that dense?



I am simply respnding to your statements about states banning inter racial marriage.


Originally posted by: Stunt


The state banned interracial marriages?
The church openly condemned interracial marriages?
This is news to me!


Get It?

a) I was indeed unaware of those laws.
b) I did ask the questions.
c) You are actually supporting my arguments for the purpose of this thread.

Thanks

Put down the bong, Beavis.

Uh huh...I can see why you'd get upset at supporting my argument.
*doh!*

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: sierrita

Originally posted by: Stunt[/i


The state banned interracial marriages?
The church openly condemned interracial marriages?
This is news to me!

Wow, ever bother to google before posting?

During the 1950s, half of the states still had laws prohibiting interracial marriage.



What's History?

So you agree America is becoming more secular...the whole point of this argument?

WTF?

Since when is being tolerant of others "becoming more secular"?


What did Jesus Christ preach if not tolerance?


Wow, are you ever showing your ignorance tonight.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: feralkid
Are you really that dense?



I am simply respnding to your statements about states banning inter racial marriage.


Originally posted by: Stunt


The state banned interracial marriages?
The church openly condemned interracial marriages?
This is news to me!


Get It?

a) I was indeed unaware of those laws.
b) I did ask the questions.
c) You are actually supporting my arguments for the purpose of this thread.

Thanks

Put down the bong, Beavis.

Uh huh...I can see why you'd get upset at supporting my argument.
*doh!*

Stop posting now.

 

[Stunt]

I'm saying the church is playing less of a role in government as secularism is becoming more widespread than the past.
With Christians losing some of their values in gov't, they arebecoming more vocal and pushy.

I don't support any of the Christian values in government, but at least I'm not disillusioned as you guys are.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: feralkid
Are you really that dense?



I am simply respnding to your statements about states banning inter racial marriage.


Originally posted by: Stunt


The state banned interracial marriages?
The church openly condemned interracial marriages?
This is news to me!


Get It?

a) I was indeed unaware of those laws.
b) I did ask the questions.
c) You are actually supporting my arguments for the purpose of this thread.

Thanks

Put down the bong, Beavis.

Uh huh...I can see why you'd get upset at supporting my argument.
*doh!*

The sad thing is, I'm sure you think you are being clever. You were completely wrong and he proved you wrong.. and you then say it proves your argument... wheher it does or doesn't, that isn't the point. The point was that you were ignorant on the issue and he corrected you.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: feralkid
Are you really that dense?



I am simply respnding to your statements about states banning inter racial marriage.


Originally posted by: Stunt


The state banned interracial marriages?
The church openly condemned interracial marriages?
This is news to me!


Get It?

a) I was indeed unaware of those laws.
b) I did ask the questions.
c) You are actually supporting my arguments for the purpose of this thread.

Thanks

Put down the bong, Beavis.

Uh huh...I can see why you'd get upset at supporting my argument.
*doh!*

The sad thing is, I'm sure you think you are being clever. You were completely wrong and he proved you wrong.. and you then say it proves your argument... wheher it does or doesn't, that isn't the point. The point was that you were ignorant on the issue and he corrected you.

What?
I 100% agree...I posted "I was indeed unaware of those laws.", I was ignorant to your country's laws.
Proving my argument is all i was trying to accomplish, and you guys are helping me....I truly appreciate it. Especially answering my honest questions.

I'm not even remotely religious and I'm getting the third degree from enraged atheists, too funny

 

[judasmachine]

I believe american society at large is becoming LESS christian, that is why we see the backlash that we are. Religion in general is becoming less and less important as media, becomes more prevelent. Most of the people I know have parents that sometimes go, and grandparents that always go, but they themselves don't go unless it's Xmas, or Easter, and that's to appease the greater family. My family has never gone, no grandparents, no parents, and none of us kids. In fact I only know personally one person that goes on a regular basis, and he's 68. He is also the one that admitted to me that he believe in evolution, and that being religious is just good for business.

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: feralkid
Are you really that dense?



I am simply respnding to your statements about states banning inter racial marriage.


Originally posted by: Stunt


The state banned interracial marriages?
The church openly condemned interracial marriages?
This is news to me!


Get It?

a) I was indeed unaware of those laws.
b) I did ask the questions.
c) You are actually supporting my arguments for the purpose of this thread.

Thanks

Put down the bong, Beavis.

Uh huh...I can see why you'd get upset at supporting my argument.
*doh!*

The sad thing is, I'm sure you think you are being clever. You were completely wrong and he proved you wrong.. and you then say it proves your argument... wheher it does or doesn't, that isn't the point. The point was that you were ignorant on the issue and he corrected you.

What?
I 100% agree...I posted "I was indeed unaware of those laws.", I was ignorant to your country's laws.
Proving my argument is all i was trying to accomplish, and you guys are helping me....I truly appreciate it. Especially answering my honest questions.

I'm not even remotely religious and I'm getting the third degree from enraged atheists, too funny

No, you are behaving like an ignorant oaf who doesn't know what he's talking about, knows not when he's been pwn3d, and thinks he's having an argument with a gang of atheists.

All that's been proven is that you are simply not worth continuing this discussion with, since your comprehension skills are rather challenged. I mean really; you make ignorant statements, and then claim that those who exposed your ignorance are somehow proving your point.

 

[Stunt]

So do you or don't you believe the US is becoming more secular?
Lets keep on topic and away from the personal attacks...but if you feel the need to bail as you more than adequately support my views...I can accept that.

 

[raildogg]

I don't think it is, but even if it was, is that a bad thing?

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
I think religion has no place in politics. I believe in religious freedom, yes, but I think things like human rights, the concept of the greater good, and rational thought should be the basis of political decisions and trump any religious considerations.

Ideas of the good are religious. Not necessarily Christian, but religious.

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: sierrita
What did Jesus Christ preach if not tolerance?

You can read Jesus's preaching. The gospel of Matthew has most of the recorded preaching. There may be elements that you could describe as tolerence, and there is much more. I would encourage you to do so, naturally because I believe in it.

 

[CQuinn]

No, Yes, and Irrelevant.

(No) the USA as a whole is not becoming more "Christian", but we are seeing the result of a natural social cycle in which,
as a given generation ages, its common practices and expoused beliefs change to reflect the average state of that group.

(Yes) we have been seeing more involvement by people in churches, and more support of "faith-based" organizations.
Not because more people are turning to Christianity, but because many of the people who were born and raised
in that faith (or a variant thereof), are now at the age where they have "settled down" to a stable home and
family life, and now things like thier effect on society and its affect on thier children become more prominent.
Also, as more Baby Boomers (and a significant percentage of the population) are passing into retirement age than ever before,
thoughts of the afterlife (and fears about thier own fate) start to creep in, and they start to look for answers to all
the existential questions that they ignored for all the years that they were working for a living... answers that they
accept from the same institutions that they were taught to believe in as children.

(Irrelevant), it is not the USA turning Christian (or not turning Christian) that should be the issue. It is the manipulation
of peoples beliefs by those who think it is easier to control a populace by appearing to share those beliefs and promote
those ideas in order to pass their own agenda. The question is, what do they hope to gain by making the USA
appear to be more Christian than it already is? And what do they stand to lose by the same measure?

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: robainsI was just curious if others have noticed an increase in the open display of religion, religious symbols, and/or religious beliefs both in public and via the various media channels? If so, what do you think the cause is?

Politics has always invoved religious beliefs. The proportion of these that are Christian is relatively small. Dinstinctively Christian doctrines do not get much mention at all, although basic thestic belief (God, creation) does get some mention, usually affirmative. Dogmas of more atheistically humanist viewpoints also get mention and are behind laws that "liberalize" various sexual practicies for instance on the basis of materialism.

1. Life is getting more and more complicated so people seek easy answers?

In fact people are seeking more and more complicated answers in order to hide from the simple questions and answers that can be put to it.

2. Other religions are threatening Christianity?

People believe in many other religions yes.

3. More people just wanna believe in something?

Many people believe in something, and many people do not think at all, and some people think but don't get anywhere.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: CSMR

Originally posted by: EatSpam
I think religion has no place in politics. I believe in religious freedom, yes, but I think things like human rights, the concept of the greater good, and rational thought should be the basis of political decisions and trump any religious considerations.

Ideas of the good are religious. Not necessarily Christian, but religious.

So no morally good idea ever came from non-religious thought? Interesting.

 

[johnnobts]

Jesus preached tolerance, even long-suffering and willingness to enure hardship from those who persecute you, those who rejoice in evil, but he never preached acceptance or falsehood or of sin. There is a huge difference b/w tolerance and acceptance. Jesus would never abandon truth, b/c love rejoices in the truth (1 Cor 13:6).

He didn't say, "Truth is relative (actually Pilate did, he asked "What is truth?" (John 18:38)." Jesus said, "You shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32).

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
So no morally good idea ever came from non-religious thought? Interesting.

That is not what I said. I said that no idea of moral goodness is non-religous. I have not discussed "morally good ideas" or their origin. You need to avoid making false logical leaps.

 

[AreaCode707]

I'm a Christian and I think the US is quickly becoming extremely less Christian.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: HotChic
I'm a Christian and I think the US is quickly becoming extremely less Christian.

If this is the best they can do...

Then this trend really needs to continue.

 

[robains]

Is religion based on fear? I dated a black woman several year ago that was on a mission to convert me to a Christian -- she was in shock when I openly said "I don't believe in God" -- in fact her response was "aren't you affraid of going to hell". To which I responded that I don't believe in hell.

Anyway, the point is that our current president has openly support "Intelligent Design" or basically another way of saying God. Bush clearly has an agenda to migrate congress and the house over to "his way of thinking" sorta like his master plan to invade IRAQ -- yeah that plan, the axis of evil plan -- the same plan that says "if we stay long enough, they'll convert" -- yeah right, like that is a "new" plan that hasn't been tried before in the history of human kind.

Getting back to the point, what motivates people to "have faith". My personal opinion is that "having faith" basically means support ignorance. People have also suggested that because I subscribe to the methodology of science, that I am somehow religious. I maybe mistaken but the methodology of science is based on trying to disprove its theories NOT trying to prove itself. All religions are flawed in that they don't question themselves -- they simply state, this is the way it is and "God works in mysterious ways".

Isn't the logical path to enlightenment a path that opens doors not a path the shuts doors? Every religion I'm aware of shuts doors. Then the term "morals" comes out and somehow gets immediately connected with religion -- morals don't necessary need to be connected with any religion.

Rob.