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Crono

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Crono
Living a life in Christ gives a peace that passes all understanding and gives peace regardless of situation; whether you are in the midst of persecution, or in the happiest moment of your life, you can find peace in having the right relationship with the true and living God. Without acknowledging that you are (as well as I and everyone who ever lived - except Christ, who was and is the Son of God) are a sinner, and truly repenting for sin, you cannot come before God and know Him. Every single religion that exists says you can be saved by what YOU do (which is nothing but pride), but God says it is what HE has done by allowing His son to die on the cross for you. Man cannot save himself from sin.

In the Bible, there are definitely examples of people living in sin and who do not show true peace within them; these are examples of people who either at that time were living in sin or for most of their lives were living in sin, and we are not to follow their paths, but warned to be wary of them. But there are also examples of people, like Paul and Jesus, who had peace within them that was so great that they could endure so much and affect the lives of many because they lived by faith and according to the Word of the Lord. There are also many examples of no earthly peace on a national level. Unfortunately, as long as we are living in a fallen world, there will always be wars and violence because of the evil of our hearts. But when Christ returns, and after the judgement, there will be true peace both internally and externally over all the earth.

Unfortunately, for this plan to work out, everybody has to be christian, and not everybody wants to be christian. You have to believe Jesus was the son of god, performed miracles, and that we're all guilty of the original sin. So there's the problem there--we can all get along if we believe the same thing, which will never ever happen. Christians themselves don't agree, otherwise there'd only be one sect.

You're right, that unless everyone is of the same mind, there will NOT be peace (in terms of no violence or hatred). The problem, the one that has plagued humanity since the garden of eden, is sin. Even those of us have come to Christ can still sin; we have a desire not to sin, but while the spirit is willing, the flesh is indeed weak. That is why until the second resurrection (the resurrection of the dead at the return of the King of kings, and Lord of Lords, Christ) when we who truly believe are risen from the dead, there cannot be peace everywhere. Those who have willingly rejected salvation will be cast out into outer darkness (aka "hell"), and there will be a new Earth and new heavens for those who have left the life of ease to follow after Christ. Undoubtedly, many feel that this is unjust. But how can man, who is full of evil and wickedness (even the "best" of us are), say what is true righteousness ("there is none righteous; no not one")? What is the standard? Only God is righteous, and the righteousness of man is a filthy rag in the sight of God. You only need to look at a newspaper to see the evil man is doing when he does what he thinks is right.
 

FeuerFrei

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Originally posted by: ariafrost
Originally posted by: Crono
Living a life in Christ gives a peace that passes all understanding and gives peace regardless of situation; whether you are in the midst of persecution, or in the happiest moment of your life, you can find peace in having the right relationship with the true and living God. Without acknowledging that you are (as well as I and everyone who ever lived - except Christ, who was and is the Son of God) are a sinner, and truly repenting for sin, you cannot come before God and know Him. Every single religion that exists says you can be saved by what YOU do (which is nothing but pride), but God says it is what HE has done by allowing His son to die on the cross for you. Man cannot save himself from sin.

In the Bible, there are definitely examples of people living in sin and who do not show true peace within them; these are examples of people who either at that time were living in sin or for most of their lives were living in sin, and we are not to follow their paths, but warned to be wary of them. But there are also examples of people, like Paul and Jesus, who had peace within them that was so great that they could endure so much and affect the lives of many because they lived by faith and according to the Word of the Lord. There are also many examples of no earthly peace on a national level. Unfortunately, as long as we are living in a fallen world, there will always be wars and violence because of the evil of our hearts. But when Christ returns, and after the judgement, there will be true peace both internally and externally over all the earth.

Well said. The Old Testament is the covenant with the Israelites where God exacted swift justice against all sinners. The New Testament is the new covenant where God reserves judgment for the sake of Christ who died for us. It is the teachings of Jesus and his disciples that show us how to live in peace and at peace with one another.

Christians who would advocate violence are not following the teachings of Christ and should be reprimanded by their brethren to remember that it is not our position to judge others.
True enough.
Christianity is all about loving your enemies, doing good to those who hate you, praying for those who persecute you, and leaving vengeance up to God rather than taking it into your own hands. Also teaches "turning the other cheek if someone strikes you" and "doing unto others as you would have them do to you." I really can't imagine a religion's doctrines being more peaceful than that.
 

DaShen

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Christianity is a peaceful religion.

Humans are messed up and selfish though, and they mess up religions in general.
 

CKent

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Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
Originally posted by: ariafrost
Originally posted by: Crono
Living a life in Christ gives a peace that passes all understanding and gives peace regardless of situation; whether you are in the midst of persecution, or in the happiest moment of your life, you can find peace in having the right relationship with the true and living God. Without acknowledging that you are (as well as I and everyone who ever lived - except Christ, who was and is the Son of God) are a sinner, and truly repenting for sin, you cannot come before God and know Him. Every single religion that exists says you can be saved by what YOU do (which is nothing but pride), but God says it is what HE has done by allowing His son to die on the cross for you. Man cannot save himself from sin.

In the Bible, there are definitely examples of people living in sin and who do not show true peace within them; these are examples of people who either at that time were living in sin or for most of their lives were living in sin, and we are not to follow their paths, but warned to be wary of them. But there are also examples of people, like Paul and Jesus, who had peace within them that was so great that they could endure so much and affect the lives of many because they lived by faith and according to the Word of the Lord. There are also many examples of no earthly peace on a national level. Unfortunately, as long as we are living in a fallen world, there will always be wars and violence because of the evil of our hearts. But when Christ returns, and after the judgement, there will be true peace both internally and externally over all the earth.

Well said. The Old Testament is the covenant with the Israelites where God exacted swift justice against all sinners. The New Testament is the new covenant where God reserves judgment for the sake of Christ who died for us. It is the teachings of Jesus and his disciples that show us how to live in peace and at peace with one another.

Christians who would advocate violence are not following the teachings of Christ and should be reprimanded by their brethren to remember that it is not our position to judge others.
True enough.
Christianity is all about loving your enemies, doing good to those who hate you, praying for those who persecute you, and leaving vengeance up to God rather than taking it into your own hands. Also teaches "turning the other cheek if someone strikes you" and "doing unto others as you would have them do to you." I really can't imagine a religion's doctrines being more peaceful than that.

No, that's your interpretation of christianity. Those who interpret it as a license to kill one's enemies are every bit as christian, if it's the religion they claim. Likewise if they claim islam, buddhism, rastafarianism, etc.
 

AbAbber2k

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Originally posted by: BillyBatson
wtf Scientology? maybe believing in aliens makes you peaceful

Someone needs their thetan level checked. How about a free personality test?
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Crono
Living a life in Christ gives a peace that passes all understanding and gives peace regardless of situation; whether you are in the midst of persecution, or in the happiest moment of your life, you can find peace in having the right relationship with the true and living God. Without acknowledging that you are (as well as I and everyone who ever lived - except Christ, who was and is the Son of God) are a sinner, and truly repenting for sin, you cannot come before God and know Him. Every single religion that exists says you can be saved by what YOU do (which is nothing but pride), but God says it is what HE has done by allowing His son to die on the cross for you. Man cannot save himself from sin.

In the Bible, there are definitely examples of people living in sin and who do not show true peace within them; these are examples of people who either at that time were living in sin or for most of their lives were living in sin, and we are not to follow their paths, but warned to be wary of them. But there are also examples of people, like Paul and Jesus, who had peace within them that was so great that they could endure so much and affect the lives of many because they lived by faith and according to the Word of the Lord. There are also many examples of no earthly peace on a national level. Unfortunately, as long as we are living in a fallen world, there will always be wars and violence because of the evil of our hearts. But when Christ returns, and after the judgement, there will be true peace both internally and externally over all the earth.

May peace be with you my neighbor.
Nice post.
 

Crono

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Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
Originally posted by: Crono
Every single religion that exists says you can be saved by what YOU do (which is nothing but pride), but God says it is what HE has done by allowing His son to die on the cross for you. Man cannot save himself from sin.

Spare us. :roll:

The question was which religions are peaceful. Not which religions you think are right. It's sh1t like this that causes tension between different groups of people.

IMHO you have a little too much pride in the tenants of YOUR religion.

Define peace. Then examine what causes there not to be peace. The answer is that people do not know Truth. Without Truth, people disagree, and there is conflict. All I want to do is share the Truth of of the Word of God, so that people may also know the peace that I have in salvation- not through anything whatsoever I have done. I am weak, I am evil, I am completely unworthy of any good thing- and so are you, so is the president, so was our great grandfather to the x power (Adam), and so is every person on the face of this planet. There is definitely some pride that lingers within me that will surface every once and again, because I am not perfected in the image of Christ, and won't be until He comes again. I am not proud in the "tenants of [my] religion", because that would imply that I have some claim of worthiness. As Paul said: not I, but Christ; He alone is worthy of glory and honor. If I claim anything, I rob Him of the glory and honor due to His name. May it never be.
 

fishface313

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Originally posted by: BillyBatson
wtf Scientology? maybe believing in aliens makes you peaceful


believing in aliens and believing in a god are the same exact principles...
 

Crono

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Originally posted by: CKent
No, that's your interpretation of christianity. Those who interpret it as a license to kill one's enemies are every bit as christian, if it's the religion they claim. Likewise if they claim islam, buddhism, rastafarianism, etc.

"But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God." -2 Peter 1:20

Someone can claim to be Christian, but if they do not obey His Word, he is nothing but a liar or he is living in sin. The mark of a true Christian is someone who loves the Word of God and seeks to do it. There are no interpretations of the Word apart from what the Spirit gives to the man of God. That is why it is imperative for each Christian to know and obey the Word, and to have a right relationship with God. All other good things ("every good and perfect gift is from God") will follow. What were the two great commandments given before all? Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind; and love your neighbor as yourself. If you follow those two commandments earnestly, you will really know peace.
 

JackBurton

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
Originally posted by: Crono
Every single religion that exists says you can be saved by what YOU do (which is nothing but pride), but God says it is what HE has done by allowing His son to die on the cross for you. Man cannot save himself from sin.

Spare us. :roll:

The question was which religions are peaceful. Not which religions you think are right. It's sh1t like this that causes tension between different groups of people.

IMHO you have a little too much pride in the tenants of YOUR religion.

Define peace. Then examine what causes there not to be peace. The answer is that people do not know Truth. Without Truth, people disagree, and there is conflict. All I want to do is share the Truth of of the Word of God, so that people may also know the peace that I have in salvation- not through anything whatsoever I have done. I am weak, I am evil, I am completely unworthy of any good thing- and so are you, so is the president, so was our great grandfather to the x power (Adam), and so is every person on the face of this planet. There is definitely some pride that lingers within me that will surface every once and again, because I am not perfected in the image of Christ, and won't be until He comes again. I am not proud in the "tenants of [my] religion", because that would imply that I have some claim of worthiness. As Paul said: not I, but Christ; He alone is worthy of glory and honor. If I claim anything, I rob Him of the glory and honor due to His name. May it never be.
Is it true Christ can love man TOO much though? Because that could explain why Jesus never hooked up with any chicks.

And another unanswered question in the Bible is, how much did Jesus charge for his magic shows?
 

Crono

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
atheism is peaceful
Either that is sarcasm, or that is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever seen.

Over 50% of all wars are fought over religion. Trust me ... it's not sarcasm

over 50% eh...

Yup.

Depending on how you define religion, you could up that to 100%. However, if you want to examine how many people died in the name of atheism, you need not look any further back than the last century. Atheism really is a religion, and it's the deadliest one of all because it eventually leads in many societies to zero tolerance of any other religions. The fool has said in his heart, "there is no God".
 

her209

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Its not whether one religion is more peceaful compared to another one. Its which one is more intolerant of other ones.
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
atheism is peaceful
Either that is sarcasm, or that is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever seen.

Over 50% of all wars are fought over religion. Trust me ... it's not sarcasm

over 50% eh...

Yup.

Depending on how you define religion, you could up that to 100%. However, if you want to examine how many people died in the name of atheism, you need not look any further back than the last century. Atheism really is a religion, and it's the deadliest one of all because it eventually leads in many societies to zero tolerance of any other religions. The fool has said in his heart, "there is no God".
You are truly clueless. And no, Atheism is not a religion.
 

Crono

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John 4
"As He passed by, He saw a man blind from birth.
And His disciples asked Him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?"

Jesus answered, "It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.
"We must work the works of Him who sent Me as long as it is day; night is coming when no one can work.
"While I am in the world, I am the Light of the world."

When He had said this, He spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and applied the clay to his eyes,
and said to him, "Go, wash in the pool of Siloam" (which is translated, Sent) So he went away and washed, and came back seeing.

Therefore the neighbors, and those who previously saw him as a beggar, were saying, "Is not this the one who used to sit and beg?"
Others were saying, "This is he," still others were saying, "No, but he is like him." He kept saying, "I am the one." So they were saying to him, "How then were your eyes opened?"

He answered, "The man who is called Jesus made clay, and anointed my eyes, and said to me, 'Go to Siloam and wash'; so I went away and washed, and I received sight."
They said to him, "Where is He?" He said, "I do not know."

They brought to the Pharisees the man who was formerly blind.
Now it was a Sabbath on the day when Jesus made the clay and opened his eyes.
Then the Pharisees also were asking him again how he received his sight. And he said to them, "He applied clay to my eyes, and I washed, and I see."

Therefore some of the Pharisees were saying, "This man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath " But others were saying, "How can a man who is a sinner perform such signs?" And there was a division among them.

So they said to the blind man again, "What do you say about Him, since He opened your eyes?" And he said, "He is a prophet."
The Jews then did not believe it of him, that he had been blind and had received sight, until they called the parents of the very one who had received his sight,
and questioned them, saying, "Is this your son, who you say was born blind? Then how does he now see?" His parents answered them and said, "We know that this is our son, and that he was born blind;but how he now sees, we do not know; or who opened his eyes, we do not know. Ask him; he is of age, he will speak for himself."

His parents said this because they were afraid of the Jews; for the Jews had already agreed that if anyone confessed Him to be Christ, he was to be put out of the synagogue.
For this reason his parents said, "He is of age; ask him."
So a second time they called the man who had been blind, and said to him, "Give glory to God; we know that this man is a sinner."
He then answered, "Whether He is a sinner, I do not know; one thing I do know, that though I was blind, now I see."
So they said to him, "What did He do to you? How did He open your eyes?"
He answered them, "I told you already and you did not listen; why do you want to hear it again? You do not want to become His disciples too, do you?"

They reviled him and said, "You are His disciple, but we are disciples of Moses.
"We know that God has spoken to Moses, but as for this man, we do not know where He is from." The man answered and said to them, "Well, here is an amazing thing, that you do not know where He is from, and yet He opened my eyes.
"We know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is God-fearing and does His will, He hears him. Since the beginning of time it has never been heard that anyone opened the eyes of a person born blind.
If this man were not from God, He could do nothing."

They answered him, "You were born entirely in sins, and are you teaching us?" So they put him out.
 

fishface313

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Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: CKent
No, that's your interpretation of christianity. Those who interpret it as a license to kill one's enemies are every bit as christian, if it's the religion they claim. Likewise if they claim islam, buddhism, rastafarianism, etc.

"But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God." -2 Peter 1:20

Someone can claim to be Christian, but if they do not obey His Word, he is nothing but a liar or he is living in sin. The mark of a true Christian is someone who loves the Word of God and seeks to do it. There are no interpretations of the Word apart from what the Spirit gives to the man of God. That is why it is imperative for each Christian to know and obey the Word, and to have a right relationship with God. All other good things ("every good and perfect gift is from God") will follow. What were the two great commandments given before all? Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind; and love your neighbor as yourself. If you follow those two commandments earnestly, you will really know peace.

This question has been boggling my mind for quite some time now...

How did 600 year old Noah keep the tyrannosaurus rex and velociraptor from eating all of the other animals and people on the Ark??
 

LongCoolMother

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like others have said. Christianity is peaceful. it is when people misconstrue and add all sorts of selfish elements to the religion that things become violent.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Religions aren't peaceful or violent. Religions do not fight wars, nor do religions oppose them. Religions are naught but ideas, and ideas by themselves are incapable of anything.

PEOPLE are either peaceful or violent. PEOPLE fight wars or quell them. PEOPLE do these things, and they will shoehorn just about any idea into their individual worldview with which they can justify THEIR OWN desires to be peaceful or violent.

So there are peaceful Christians, and there are violent Christians. So there are peaceful Muslims and violent ones. You people get so caught up in broad-brushing sets of ideas that you forget to distinguish among the individuals that hold them and the differences in which they individually interpret those ideas to accomplish either peace or war.
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
atheism is peaceful
Either that is sarcasm, or that is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever seen.

Over 50% of all wars are fought over religion. Trust me ... it's not sarcasm

People will kill each other over anything. Religion is a nice, easy way to paint the enemy as evil, but trust me, those who use religion as a reason to kill would quickly switch to some other reason were religion to just disappear.

That's what I don't get about the fanatical internet teenage atheists. They pick something that they feel is bad, like religion, and just hammer away at it, twisting facts and statements to fit their reasoning. They pull numbers completely out of their asses like this guy. They're doing to religion what their evil-examples did with religion, yet they feel superior.

It's an amazing thing.
 

Art Vandelay

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Religion is poison, and sooner or later you or someone you know will die because of it.

Mark my words.
 
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