Is there a peaceful religion?

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Auggie

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Getting pretty far off topic, luv2liv.

But to answer your question, if you don't think that there is such a thing as "sin" then Christ doesn't really make any sense. What purpose is there, really, if sin isn't real.

But if sin is real, which is to say, if Mankind is created by a God and has a purpose in life, then Mankind needs a way, or what you can think of as a religious language and syntax, a way that they can understand God and repent for their sin if they feel they need to, if they sin.
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: Auggie
Getting pretty far off topic, luv2liv.

But to answer your question, if you don't think that there is such a thing as "sin" then Christ doesn't really make any sense. What purpose is there, really, if sin isn't real.

But if sin is real, which is to say, if Mankind is created by a God and has a purpose in life, then Mankind needs a way, or what you can think of as a religious language and syntax, a way that they can understand God and repent for their sin if they feel they need to, if they sin.

Unless Christ was simply teaching his philosophy. Honestly, even if you don't believe that the man was the son of God, you can do a lot worse in this life than following the teachings and actions of Christ.
 

Nutdotnet

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Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: Aimster
If Islam is "evil" then so is christianity and judaism.

Islam is basically Christianity part 2. All the stories are the same.
Jesus is a prophet, just not the son of god. He never died either (he was teleported or whatever to heaven).

Im not saying Islam is peaceful. It is not violent either.
Same with Christianity and Judaism.

Howver reading the books one can easily turn them to be violent. Such as "one must cut out their eye if they look at another in a sexual way". like wtf?

The characterization of their gods are so different they are clearly different religions. Plus the fundamental difference in Jesus being God

What GODS? Unless you're referring to Islam and Judaism.

Islam has ONE god.
Judaism has ONE god.
Christianity has ONE god...theoretically...except for the whole "Jesus is the son of god, but Jesus is Lord mumbo-jumbo"...

Hell, Islam acknowledges the existance of Jesus and Moses...they say they were both prophets, just like Mohammed.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: Aimster
If Islam is "evil" then so is christianity and judaism.

Islam is basically Christianity part 2. All the stories are the same.
Jesus is a prophet, just not the son of god. He never died either (he was teleported or whatever to heaven).

Im not saying Islam is peaceful. It is not violent either.
Same with Christianity and Judaism.

Howver reading the books one can easily turn them to be violent. Such as "one must cut out their eye if they look at another in a sexual way". like wtf?

The characterization of their gods are so different they are clearly different religions. Plus the fundamental difference in Jesus being God

What GODS? Unless you're referring to Islam and Judaism.

Islam has ONE god.
Judaism has ONE god.
Christianity has ONE god...theoretically...except for the whole "Jesus is the son of god, but Jesus is Lord mumbo-jumbo"...

Hell, Islam acknowledges the existance of Jesus and Moses...they say they were both prophets, just like Mohammed.

yeah, correct.

Allah is just how you say God in Arabic. Allah is the God of everyone. I think people misinterpret that as an Islamic God.
 

Nutdotnet

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: Auggie
Getting pretty far off topic, luv2liv.

But to answer your question, if you don't think that there is such a thing as "sin" then Christ doesn't really make any sense. What purpose is there, really, if sin isn't real.

But if sin is real, which is to say, if Mankind is created by a God and has a purpose in life, then Mankind needs a way, or what you can think of as a religious language and syntax, a way that they can understand God and repent for their sin if they feel they need to, if they sin.

Unless Christ was simply teaching his philosophy. Honestly, even if you don't believe that the man was the son of God, you can do a lot worse in this life than following the teachings and actions of Christ.

This has NOTHING to do with anything in this thread but...Chaotic...I <3 your signature.
 
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Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: Aimster
If Islam is "evil" then so is christianity and judaism.

Islam is basically Christianity part 2. All the stories are the same.
Jesus is a prophet, just not the son of god. He never died either (he was teleported or whatever to heaven).

Im not saying Islam is peaceful. It is not violent either.
Same with Christianity and Judaism.

Howver reading the books one can easily turn them to be violent. Such as "one must cut out their eye if they look at another in a sexual way". like wtf?

The characterization of their gods are so different they are clearly different religions. Plus the fundamental difference in Jesus being God

What GODS? Unless you're referring to Islam and Judaism.

Islam has ONE god.
Judaism has ONE god.
Christianity has ONE god...theoretically...except for the whole "Jesus is the son of god, but Jesus is Lord mumbo-jumbo"...

Hell, Islam acknowledges the existance of Jesus and Moses...they say they were both prophets, just like Mohammed.

christianity has a god, and islam has a god

1+1=2
 

StatsManD

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IMHO you can't be a Buddhist and Atheist. Nearly all Buddhist sects teach about an afterlife. If you are an atheist and believe in an afterlife then something is seriously wrong with you.
 

Auggie

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Christianity spread very rapidly in Pagan Rome and Asia Minor in the first century AD without violence.

In fact, it spread under the threat of violence, not by violence, which is why the motto of the early Church was "The seed of faith is the blood of the martyrs." Christians were fed to circus animals in the first century, entire families were devoured for show (partly for entertainment, partly to show Rome's power over Christianity).

After Christianity became affluent and worked its way into the aristocracy of the post-Roman empire, it was, of course, subjected to the same abuses of power that plague all Man's enterprises (see my post above about this whole thread discussion being more about man naturally being violent rather than religion being violent).

This is opposed to Islam, which began as an armed movement. Check out Wikipedia for specifics, but generally Mohammad gathered together a group of followers in Medina and began attacking important regions around where he grew up, eventually capturing Mecca.
 

raildogg

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Peaceful religion? Why focus on a religion that is peaceful?

Look within, if you find peace, you will find peace with a religion. There is no peaceful religion - they all are peaceful. Just because a person misuses it or uses it for political purposes does not mean that the entire religion is not peaceful.
 

StatsManD

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Originally posted by: Aimster
what were the Arabs before they forced everyone to convert to Islam? Christians?

Moon worshipers, that is why the symbol of Islam is the crescent. It use to represent the moon. Allah was the name of the Moon God.
 

Auggie

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Hmm, if Jesus was just teaching a philosophy, he was a liar. He made statements that are ridiculous, and outright lies, if that's the case.

If that's what you believe though (that Jesus was a guy that was teaching a philosophy and not a way for men and women to grow closer to their God) then yes, I agree with you that there's no real need for him to die, and furthermore, by dying, he didn't do a thing, and that such a philosophy by some simple carpenter from ancient Judea isn't really going to make much sense in our modern times.

But... if he really was God made Man, and wasn't a liar, and what he taught was the truth...
 

iamaelephant

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Joshua said to the people, "Shout; for the LORD has given you the city. And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the LORD for destruction...But all silver and gold, and vessels of bronze and iron, are sacred to the LORD; they shall go into the treasury of the LORD."...Then they utterly destroyed all in the city, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and asses, with the edge of the sword...And they burned the city with fire, and all within it; only the silver and gold, and the vessels of bronze and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD.

Good old peaceful Christians....
 

Auggie

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LOL StatsMan! Utterly wrong on that.

Islam started out, just like Christianity, as a heretical movement from Judaism. (By heretical I mean to say that orthodox Jews at the time rejected the "innovations" and differences that Islam introduced on top of the foundational Jewish faith - obviously they weren't heretical to the new Christians and Muslims.) All three religions are "Abrahamic" because they claim oneness and the validity of the story of Abraham - Islam isn't pagan at all....

 

Andyb23

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Originally posted by: StatsManD
IMHO you can't be a Buddhist and Atheist. Nearly all Buddhist sects teach about an afterlife. If you are an atheist and believe in an afterlife then something is seriously wrong with you.

IMHO opinion you know nothing about Indian religions.

As for the question about what were the Arabs before Islam... I do believe they were mostly tribal people.

Its all very complicated I think because Egyptians are now considered Arabs yet they had their own language and religion at one point....

It does seem that after Islam was spread amongst the Arabs the region in general became more violent and single minded.
 

StatsManD

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Originally posted by: Andyb23
Originally posted by: StatsManD
IMHO you can't be a Buddhist and Atheist. Nearly all Buddhist sects teach about an afterlife. If you are an atheist and believe in an afterlife then something is seriously wrong with you.

IMHO opinion you know nothing about Indian religions.

As for the question about what were the Arabs before Islam... I do believe they were mostly tribal people.

Its all very complicated I think because Egyptians are now considered Arabs yet they had their own language and religion at one point....

It does seem that after Islam was spread amongst the Arabs the region in general became more violent and single minded.

Learn about Buddhism it does teach about an Afterlife. I am just saying how can you be smart enough to reject god, but dumb enough to believe in some sort of afterlife.
 
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Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Joshua said to the people, "Shout; for the LORD has given you the city. And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the LORD for destruction...But all silver and gold, and vessels of bronze and iron, are sacred to the LORD; they shall go into the treasury of the LORD."...Then they utterly destroyed all in the city, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and asses, with the edge of the sword...And they burned the city with fire, and all within it; only the silver and gold, and the vessels of bronze and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD.

Good old peaceful Christians....

oh, I could've sworn those were Jews.
 

Andyb23

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Um the definition of Buddhism is:

Buddhism (also known as Buddha Dharma, Pali: ????? ????, "the teachings of the awakened one") is a dharmic, non-theistic religion, a way of life, a practical philosophy, and a life-enhancing system of applied psychology

it specifically says non-theistic StatsMAn.
 

StatsManD

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Originally posted by: Andyb23
Um the definition of Buddhism is:

Buddhism (also known as Buddha Dharma, Pali: ????? ????, "the teachings of the awakened one") is a dharmic, non-theistic religion, a way of life, a practical philosophy, and a life-enhancing system of applied psychology

it specifically says non-theistic StatsMAn.

I know they are non theistic. Just saying it so retarded, how they can be smart enough to not accept god, but stupid enough to actually think bullshit like rebirth, and other realms are real. Laughable really.
 

Andyb23

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Originally posted by: StatsManD
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Um the definition of Buddhism is:

Buddhism (also known as Buddha Dharma, Pali: ????? ????, "the teachings of the awakened one") is a dharmic, non-theistic religion, a way of life, a practical philosophy, and a life-enhancing system of applied psychology

it specifically says non-theistic StatsMAn.

I know they are non theistic. Just saying it so retarded, how they can be smart enough to not accept god, but stupid enough to actually think bullshit like rebirth, and other realms are real. Laughable really.

Ok are you just here to flame stuff?
 

StatsManD

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It hard for people to understand but here it goes.

FACT: There is no God.
FACT: There is no afterlife.

Sad thing is many people accept the first, but not second. So stupid. To not accept both.
 

StatsManD

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Originally posted by: Andyb23
Originally posted by: StatsManD
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Um the definition of Buddhism is:

Buddhism (also known as Buddha Dharma, Pali: ????? ????, "the teachings of the awakened one") is a dharmic, non-theistic religion, a way of life, a practical philosophy, and a life-enhancing system of applied psychology

it specifically says non-theistic StatsMAn.

I know they are non theistic. Just saying it so retarded, how they can be smart enough to not accept god, but stupid enough to actually think bullshit like rebirth, and other realms are real. Laughable really.

Ok are you just here to flame stuff?

No, I just don't understand how they can accept one fact, but reject another.

FYI it is a fact that their is no afterlife. A strong fact.
 

Auggie

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Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Joshua said to the people, "Shout; for the LORD has given you the city. And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the LORD for destruction...But all silver and gold, and vessels of bronze and iron, are sacred to the LORD; they shall go into the treasury of the LORD."...Then they utterly destroyed all in the city, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and asses, with the edge of the sword...And they burned the city with fire, and all within it; only the silver and gold, and the vessels of bronze and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD.

Good old peaceful Christians....

Sarcasm is best left out of discussions like these.

Anyhow, in response:

1.) It's actually pretty ignorant to attribute that to "Good old peaceful Christians..." ... or any Christians at all, for that matter.

Those were Jews, and that, sir, is from the Old Testament.

2.) In order to understand the violence as anything other then genocidal mania, you have to understand that, as sad and horrible as this fact is: that's the way wars were fought back then. Jerusalem and the Hebrew people were surrounded pretty much completely by other aggressive civilizations. Empires were constantly conquering, falling, reconquering and falling, during the centuries that the Hebrew people were forming. In most cases, the way that armies dealt with threats from their neighbors was to annihilate them. That's simple and historical fact. The Jews did it when they thought it in their interests, and so did their neighbors.

3.) So you may wonder why such barbarism is recollected in the Jewish sacred text. Well, one easy explanation is that it's a product of violent madmen, drunk on power and blind zealotry for their "God."

Another explanation is that, in light of the historical reality that all people faced in the entire region, and especially in light of the fact that the Old Testament is a collection of an entire culture's and people's religious story, it's only natural for the accounts in the Old Testament to contain parts of the story that describe their success and failure, both spiritually and militarily, not to mention that it includes accounts of public health, political intrigue and... well... pretty much everything that goes on in any human culture.

This includes times when they had success, and times when they themselves were victims of slaughter equivalent to what you quote from Joshua up there.
 
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SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: StatsManD
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Um the definition of Buddhism is:

Buddhism (also known as Buddha Dharma, Pali: ????? ????, "the teachings of the awakened one") is a dharmic, non-theistic religion, a way of life, a practical philosophy, and a life-enhancing system of applied psychology

it specifically says non-theistic StatsMAn.

I know they are non theistic. Just saying it so retarded, how they can be smart enough to not accept god, but stupid enough to actually think bullshit like rebirth, and other realms are real. Laughable really.

Surely you see that your utter disbelief in an afterlife and their affirmation of one are equally laughable. You're both drawing conclusion about something that you can't possibly know anything about...
 
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