Is there anyone out there who isn't scared to death about global warming YET?

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Queasy
Yes, I'm very scared about what a bunch of reactionaries will do to the rest of us because of their "global warming" religion.

I fail to see how anyone would benefit from falsely preaching global warming. The reasons for corporations falsely preaching it's non-existence, however, should be obvious.

Money, power, a feeling of self-righteousness - see Al Gore.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Queasy
Yes, I'm very scared about what a bunch of reactionaries will do to the rest of us because of their "global warming" religion.

I fail to see how anyone would benefit from falsely preaching global warming. The reasons for corporations falsely preaching it's non-existence, however, should be obvious.

Money, power, a feeling of self-righteousness - see Al Gore.

Al gore is an isolated case, it would be much easier to make money by convincing people they can consume as much energy as they like with no consequences, and then selling it to them.

Besides, he's not an authority on the subject, he's just someone who's been convinced the CO2 theory is absolute truth - not something you could convince most scientists to say. They will say something more like 'according to currently accepted theory, it is most likely that a large proportion of current warming is caused by human activity'.

 

[TruePaige]

AL Gore is a good iconic image to aid in the fight against Global Warming. He is a firm believer...let it be said what you will about personal opinions on the guy, but he's out to help fund an agenda that could make the world better in the future.

 

[Compton]

The Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. So what if the Earth is a few degrees warmer than it was last century.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Queasy
Yes, I'm very scared about what a bunch of reactionaries will do to the rest of us because of their "global warming" religion.

I fail to see how anyone would benefit from falsely preaching global warming. The reasons for corporations falsely preaching it's non-existence, however, should be obvious.

So you don't agree that many environmental groups have been overrun by socialist-communist anti-corporate anti-capitalist people who are willing to spread any propaganda, no matter how false in an effort to further their ideals?

 

[pennylane]

It's the coldest it's been in Berkeley since I've been to Berkeley.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Queasy
Yes, I'm very scared about what a bunch of reactionaries will do to the rest of us because of their "global warming" religion.

I fail to see how anyone would benefit from falsely preaching global warming. The reasons for corporations falsely preaching it's non-existence, however, should be obvious.

So you don't agree that many environmental groups have been overrun by socialist-communist anti-corporate anti-capitalist people who are willing to spread any propaganda, no matter how false in an effort to further their ideals?

Errrr, no not really? And more importantly who cares? I don't get my information about these things from 'environmental groups', I get it from scientific publications.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Errrr, no not really? And more importantly who cares? I don't get my information about these things from 'environmental groups', I get it from scientific publications.

you're not going to get research dollars if your research says global warming isn't happening.

 

[Jeff7]

This is part of the reason that the term "climate change" is preferred, instead of "global warming." People see it getting unseasonably warm and say "global warming!" But then if it gets really cold in summer, they say, "Where's global warming if it's freezing out?"

The 1-2 degree increase in global temperatures is for the global average temperature. Why is this important? You've got a planet with oceans covering about 139 million square miles. Increase the temperature over this large area by a small amount, and you're going to get a lot more water evaporating into the atmosphere, which can further skew the way sunlight is absorbed by the various layers of the atmosphere, and by the ground.
The net result of this is unpredictable and unusual weather patterns.

Now, is this climate change a result of human actions, or part of a natural process? Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, which helps prevent infrared radiation from escaping back into space. Nature locked up huge quantities of CO2 millions of years ago, which are now coal and oil. We are releasing this carbon dioxide back into the atmosphere. Is it enough to really be a problem? Maybe, maybe not. I feel though that if there is a natural climate change in progress, which could have considerable consequences on the way we like to go about our lives, it might be best that we not help it along.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Atheus

Errrr, no not really? And more importantly who cares? I don't get my information about these things from 'environmental groups', I get it from scientific publications.

you're not going to get research dollars if your research says global warming isn't happening.

Sure you are - from oil companies, they love that stuff... but who has an interest in producing false evidence of warming? Surely not governments, they would rather not have to worry about renewable energy and unpopular green taxes.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Snatchface
Usually around this time of year in Vermont it hovers between 0-20 degrees. It's 60 degrees here now at 1 am in the morning. The trees are budding. None of the lakes are frozen, no snow yet. All of the skiing resorts are closed down for lack of snow. I think that we're all in really deep sh!t.

I'm buying a bike tomorrow.

El Nino, and cyclic weather patterns. the earth's weather has been in a state of change/evolution since day one.

the hole in the ozone layer is actually *shrinking*, and yet the FUD continues to be spread.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Snatchface
Usually around this time of year in Vermont it hovers between 0-20 degrees. It's 60 degrees here now at 1 am in the morning. The trees are budding. None of the lakes are frozen, no snow yet. All of the skiing resorts are closed down for lack of snow. I think that we're all in really deep sh!t.

I'm buying a bike tomorrow.

El Nino, and cyclic weather patterns. the earth's weather has been in a state of change/evolution since day one.

the hole in the ozone layer is actually *shrinking*, and yet the FUD continues to be spread.

The hole in the ozone layer has nothing to do with global warming...

 

[potato28]

Yes I'm really worried... :roll:

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Snatchface
Usually around this time of year in Vermont it hovers between 0-20 degrees. It's 60 degrees here now at 1 am in the morning. The trees are budding. None of the lakes are frozen, no snow yet. All of the skiing resorts are closed down for lack of snow. I think that we're all in really deep sh!t.

I'm buying a bike tomorrow.

El Nino, and cyclic weather patterns. the earth's weather has been in a state of change/evolution since day one.

the hole in the ozone layer is actually *shrinking*, and yet the FUD continues to be spread.

The hole in the ozone layer has nothing to do with global warming...

Are Ozone Holes related to Global Warming or the Greenhouse Effect?
The formation of ozone holes is related to these scientific issues, yet is still distinct.

Ozone plays a very important, natural role in the upper atmosphere (called the stratosphere), where 90% of it exists. Stratospheric ozone acts as a shield against harmful ultraviolet (UV) radiation from the sun. This ozone can be destroyed by human-produced chemical compounds called chlorofluorocarbons, or CFCs. When these CFCs are combined with extremely cold stratospheric temperatures over the poles, solar radiation, and particular patterns of atmospheric circulation, chemical reactions occur that cause "Ozone Holes" over Antarctica (pictured above) and the Arctic.

The formation of ozone holes is related to global warming and the greenhouse effect in two ways. First, CFCs are greenhouse gases. Thus, the release of these compounds into the atmosphere will have two separate effects: to destroy ozone and to add to the greenhouse effect. Second, if stratospheric temperatures or patterns of atmospheric circulation change as part of global warming, this will affect the chemical reactions that destroy ozone and cause the ozone holes to either grow or shrink.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/what.html

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Snatchface
Usually around this time of year in Vermont it hovers between 0-20 degrees. It's 60 degrees here now at 1 am in the morning. The trees are budding. None of the lakes are frozen, no snow yet. All of the skiing resorts are closed down for lack of snow. I think that we're all in really deep sh!t.

I'm buying a bike tomorrow.

El Nino, and cyclic weather patterns. the earth's weather has been in a state of change/evolution since day one.

the hole in the ozone layer is actually *shrinking*, and yet the FUD continues to be spread.

The hole in the ozone layer has nothing to do with global warming...

Are Ozone Holes related to Global Warming or the Greenhouse Effect?
The formation of ozone holes is related to these scientific issues, yet is still distinct.

Ozone plays a very important, natural role in the upper atmosphere (called the stratosphere), where 90% of it exists. Stratospheric ozone acts as a shield against harmful ultraviolet (UV) radiation from the sun. This ozone can be destroyed by human-produced chemical compounds called chlorofluorocarbons, or CFCs. When these CFCs are combined with extremely cold stratospheric temperatures over the poles, solar radiation, and particular patterns of atmospheric circulation, chemical reactions occur that cause "Ozone Holes" over Antarctica (pictured above) and the Arctic.

The formation of ozone holes is related to global warming and the greenhouse effect in two ways. First, CFCs are greenhouse gases. Thus, the release of these compounds into the atmosphere will have two separate effects: to destroy ozone and to add to the greenhouse effect. Second, if stratospheric temperatures or patterns of atmospheric circulation change as part of global warming, this will affect the chemical reactions that destroy ozone and cause the ozone holes to either grow or shrink.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/what.html

Well OK they are related in a minor way, but you made it seem like the hole is either a cause of, or an indicator for global warming. Which it is not.

"the hole in the ozone layer is actually *shrinking*, and yet the FUD continues to be spread."

That is not an argument against the existence of global warming.

CFCs are a tiny contributor to greenhouse effects compared to CO2, which does not affect the ozone layer. Even if we completely stopped emitting CFCs and the hole closed completely, the numbers would still predict warming of pretty much the same magnitude as predicted today.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Snatchface
Usually around this time of year in Vermont it hovers between 0-20 degrees. It's 60 degrees here now at 1 am in the morning. The trees are budding. None of the lakes are frozen, no snow yet. All of the skiing resorts are closed down for lack of snow. I think that we're all in really deep sh!t.

I'm buying a bike tomorrow.

El Nino, and cyclic weather patterns. the earth's weather has been in a state of change/evolution since day one.

the hole in the ozone layer is actually *shrinking*, and yet the FUD continues to be spread.

The hole in the ozone layer has nothing to do with global warming...

Are Ozone Holes related to Global Warming or the Greenhouse Effect?
The formation of ozone holes is related to these scientific issues, yet is still distinct.

Ozone plays a very important, natural role in the upper atmosphere (called the stratosphere), where 90% of it exists. Stratospheric ozone acts as a shield against harmful ultraviolet (UV) radiation from the sun. This ozone can be destroyed by human-produced chemical compounds called chlorofluorocarbons, or CFCs. When these CFCs are combined with extremely cold stratospheric temperatures over the poles, solar radiation, and particular patterns of atmospheric circulation, chemical reactions occur that cause "Ozone Holes" over Antarctica (pictured above) and the Arctic.

The formation of ozone holes is related to global warming and the greenhouse effect in two ways. First, CFCs are greenhouse gases. Thus, the release of these compounds into the atmosphere will have two separate effects: to destroy ozone and to add to the greenhouse effect. Second, if stratospheric temperatures or patterns of atmospheric circulation change as part of global warming, this will affect the chemical reactions that destroy ozone and cause the ozone holes to either grow or shrink.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/what.html

Well OK they are related in a minor way, but you made it seem like the hole is either a cause of, or an indicator for global warming. Which it is not.

"the hole in the ozone layer is actually *shrinking*, and yet the FUD continues to be spread."

That is not an argument against the existence of global warming.

CFCs are a tiny contributor to greenhouse effects compared to CO2, which does not affect the ozone layer. Even if we completely stopped emitting CFCs and the hole closed completely, the numbers would still predict warming of pretty much the same magnitude as predicted today.

well ok, since i have to totally explain myself i was actually relating that even though the hole in the ozone is shrinking the FUD spread about it is still rampant. i was comparing it to the global warming alarmists.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
El Nino, and cyclic weather patterns. the earth's weather has been in a state of change/evolution since day one.

Well... atleast it has been until now. Our current temperatures and CO2 levels are not in line with the patterns from the past 650,000 years. To deny global warming is to live in the past. Its undebatable. The debate is now on whether humans cause it or not, and, if we do, what we are doing that is causing it.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: MotionMan
When I was in school, I learned about the impending Ice Age (no, not the movie).
My kids will learn about the impending Global Warming.
I guess my grandkids will learn about the impending Ice Age again.

Reminds me of the line from 1984: "We are at war with Oceana, we have always been at war with Oceana." Except, that we have not always been at war with Oceana, and we have not and will not always be at risk of Global Warming. Wait a few years and we can all fear an Ice Age again.

MotionMan

Pretty much. And we'll have another shift on whether eggs are good or bad for you. I'm completely lost on which phase of that issue we're on now

Yes, but to use your egg analogy, that still means there's a 50/50 chance eggs are actually bad for you. Except in this case instead of "high cholesterol", the outcome is the ice caps melting, the seas rising and misplaced hundreds of millions of people, and global climate changes meaning millions if not billions of deaths.

You wanna take that chance or err on the side of caution?

..what bout the eggs in the little cartons?? I thought they are all goodness.

 

[RCN]

Not worried at all. Earth's climate is constantly changing with or without our influence. Did we cause the last ice age or the warm periods that cover Florida with ocean. I'm more worried about natural events that can change climate rapidly.

 

[eunsang]

i doubt the end of world from global warming is any time soon. im sure there's some kind of explanation for this weird phenomenon in weather. But that doesnt mean that we should relax and let our cars fart out carbon monoxide and what not destroying ozone layer. although only 1F or so changed in past century, that 1F could make a difference when it comes near 32F when ice starts to melt and the world floods from glacier melting.

but no doubt we're in transition in global warming... uneven frequencies of el nino and la nina.. etc.

 

[petejk]

I had to use the A/C in my car today..in so cal.

 

[Rogodin2]

Tundra in Siberia is thawing at a rate that has never been recorded in 200 thousand years (from core samples).

I don't care about you people that choose to ignore this. At the stage we're in it is inevitable that our planet will change so drastically that humankind will wither away except for those of the species that can adapt quickly. I'm just glad that the fodder will be expunged.

Rogo

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Squisher
Ever notice the weather guys say, "It's the warmest January 6th since 1962 or 1895," well, was there global warming in 1962 or 1895?

That's true, because the weather normally fluctuates. This winter is a standard deviation or two above the average winter. By itself, it's no reason to be concerned. However, it's NOT by itself.

 

[Maximilian]

Whats a bike got to do with anything???

 

[everman]

To me it seems arrogant to think that we can stop this cycle of a warming climate. We will not stop burning hydrocarbons any time soon. Also while some countries like the U.S. and E.U. nations adopt more "clean" energy policies, places like China and India get dirtier every day due to growing industrialism.