Is there something wrong with America?

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ThatsABigOne

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People of US of A are so ill prepared for bad crises', it is not even funny. If there is some national disaster, everyone in such region will go to the stores and hoard food, chips, and soda. Oh, and it is also full of fatties.
 

Red Squirrel

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I don't get why we even sell the oil to the US. We should build our own refineries and actually keep our resources in Canada and use them in Canada. Our gas prices would probably be as low as the US if this were the case. Then sell the excess only.

Of course the big CEOs rather just sell it all because they make more money that way, even though it cost's the rest of the country.
 

IGBT

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the US has allowed the eco-KOOKS into the public policy loop. That has resulted in a retrograde of political leadership and public policy based on voodoo science and chicken little emotionalism and alarmism. The eco-KOOKS are at war with progress. Their agenda is to "de-industrialize" the US and use alarmist emotional based rhetoric supported by willing accomplices in the media to achieve that end.
 

bfdd

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Yeah we should build the pipeline. It creates jobs here and in Canada, also brings in wealth. It's a win win, the people against it are anti-progress morons.
 
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Americans like to bitch about gas prices as they are at the pump filling their knew F-150. It's just how it is.

I drive a f150 and bitch about gas prices. Sorry I don't live in suburbia, drive a Volkswagen, and pay someone to do all the manly stuff that needs to be done. A truck to me is a tool and it also can get the groceries if needed. Sorry if that is beyond your understanding. Whenever something needs to be done I do it.
 

EndGame

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People of US of A are so ill prepared for bad crises', it is not even funny. If there is some national disaster, everyone in such region will go to the stores and hoard food, chips, and soda. Oh, and it is also full of fatties.

May be true where you are or were and in city/urban areas but, trust me, it's not that way everywhere.....
 

Patranus

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The real issue with America is that the federal government is trying to homogenize the states. The reason nothing can get done in D.C. is because they are trying to make a one size fits all mentality and cannot build consensus.

Return the vast majority of the power (and tax revenue) back to the states and America as a country would start to work a lot more efficiently.

But this is a conversation for another thread.
 

0roo0roo

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American complaints about fuel price and lack of jobs daily, and it seems that they do not want to buy cheap fuel from Canada or jobs that it will provide.

The XL pipeline project will bring 1.7-1.9 million barrels of "dirty" Canadian oil daily to Texas for processing, and possibly up to 5 million barrels daily in the future. The project require 2-4 new refineries, and will provide roughly 10,000~30,000 jobs. With the possibility of employing an additional 30,000-50,000 people in 6-8 more refineries at 20-25 years from now.

Perhaps American want to pay market price for Canadian oil instead at a steep discount at the moment, because Canadian are not waiting and are pushing ahead with the dirty oil development. The Enbridge oil project will carry Alberta oil to BC coast and onto international market (mainly China) at a higher price than the strike price that American is currently paying for Canadian tarsand oil.

there is something wrong with the green movement. they have admitted their opposition is an empty gesture even..yet they continue. they'd hold their votes for the first black president hostage over such a nonsense issue, so out of touch with the needs of regular americans and frankly rationality they are. oil will be sold regardless, oil will be refined regardless, if you don't get a cut you aren't helping anyone, since the greens have no viable replacements/alternatives they are just full of shit on this issue. like it or not every other social program they hold dear will be hurt if oil prices spike, and even if it is a world market, more stable supply = more market stability= good for all involved. greens have lost their ability to think straight.

Gates explains
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2011/10/04/3331828.htm

Folks like daryl hannah screaming against this are just ignorant. she goes around touting her biodiesel truck, well how well does that idea scale to most of the countries of the world to solve global warming....it doesn't..obviously. just green badge nonsense.
 
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Darwin333

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The objections to the pipeline have nothing to do with the quality of oil or the types of jobs...it's more about the potential pollution to the major aquifers that it will cross, to the potential pollution from leaks and spills. (it's not like the oil companies have some sterling record of protecting the environment)
Since the refiners are already running a HUGE surplus of refined products, (look at the recent threads about exporting gasoline) it's not like we currently need a larger supply...and it's not like the oil companies are struggling to make a profit.

I wonder why there isn't similar protests to remove the existing (and quite old) hundreds (maybe over a thousand) miles of various pipelines running over the same aquifer. I would be much more comfortable with a brand new pipeline built with the latest and greatest materials, tech, and engineering versus one that is a few decades old.
 

herm0016

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decades? try closer to 100 years old. there are thousands of miles of pipelines in the US, and for the most part, have great safety and environment records. how do you people think the fuel and NG are brought to your town? It would take millions and millions of trucks to do it. We put NG in a pipe here, and it comes out at your house to give you heat.

its all politics. I think it should be built. if it is not, we will loose the economic benefits, and the raw oil will be sent to Asia for refining.
 

Darwin333

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decades? try closer to 100 years old. there are thousands of miles of pipelines in the US, and for the most part, have great safety and environment records. how do you people think the fuel and NG are brought to your town? It would take millions and millions of trucks to do it. We put NG in a pipe here, and it comes out at your house to give you heat.

its all politics. I think it should be built. if it is not, we will loose the economic benefits, and the raw oil will be sent to Asia for refining.

Of course but I am talking about major pipelines (over 8" I think) carrying refined and crude oil that are over the very same aquifer in question.
 

Patranus

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they'd hold their votes for the first black president hostage over such a nonsense issue, so out of touch with the needs of regular americans and frankly rationality they are.

People who think that being black is a qualification for president are also out of touch with regular Americans.
 

sonambulo

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The US doesn't want to use either our own oil reserves or Canadian oil until the middle east is completely drained dry and the region is removed from the world's power struggles.

Development on sand-powered cars continues.
 

BoomerD

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I wonder why there isn't similar protests to remove the existing (and quite old) hundreds (maybe over a thousand) miles of various pipelines running over the same aquifer. I would be much more comfortable with a brand new pipeline built with the latest and greatest materials, tech, and engineering versus one that is a few decades old.

IF the pipeline companies took proper care of their pipelines...IF they performed the appropriate maintenance, and IF quality control was all it's supposed to be...then maybe you'd be right.

BUT, these companies do the bare minimum to take care of their pipelines all over the country. Material specs are cheated when possible, maintenance is an absolute joke...then throw Mother Nature into the mix, and you have the makings of a deadly accident and/or environmental disaster.

Just a few small examples:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/02/national/main20076442.shtml

ExxonMobil spokeswoman Pam Malek said the pipe leaked an estimated 750 to 1,000 barrels of oil for about a half-hour before it was shut down. Other Exxon officials had estimated up to 42,000 gallons of crude oil escaped.
In all, a relatively small amount of oil...but in an area that's nearly unspoiled...

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/30/local/la-me-0831-san-bruno-20110831

This rupture of a natural gas pipeline in a residential area killed 8 people and torched 38 homes. Why? Because PG&E scrimped on maintenance, used sub-standard pipe, didn't maintain the proper gas line pressures, and the welds weren't properly inspected. Further inspection of PG&E system pipelines have revealed that many other pipelines in the state are in bad condition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prudhoe_Bay_oil_spill

The Prudhoe Bay oil spill (2006 Alaskan oil spill) was an oil spill that was discovered on March 2, 2006 at a pipeline owned by BP Exploration, Alaska (BPXA) in western Prudhoe Bay, Alaska. Initial estimates said that up to 267,000 US gallons (6,400 bbl) were spilled over 1.9 acres (7,700 m2), making it the largest oil spill on Alaska's north slope to date.[1]

The cause? Lack of maintenance:

One of the reasons for the pipeline failure was an insufficient level of corrosion inhibitor, a liquid which resists corrosion of pipeline by the corroding liquid, which is water.[10] John Dingell read from an internal BP email that said budgetary constraints would force the end of a programme to inject corrosion inhibitor directly into the pipeline system.[9] The process of injecting corrosion inhibitor directly into a pipeline, though costly, is much more effective than injecting in a process plant.


Does the USA NEED oil and natural gas? You betcha we do...but we need it produced in a safe, (relatively) environmentally clean manner. Oil and gas exploration has always been a dirty business. Not much is going to change that process, but the wastes can be better managed, pipelines can be built to much better standards, and they can be maintained to much higher standards.

I worked a few large pipeline jobs. The contractors cut corners everywhere they possibly can. Whether it's in x-raying welds, proper pipe coatings, ensuring that the pipelines are properly bedded to prevent nicks and cuts in the coatings, (to prevent external corrosion) or in how the pipe is handled...they all do whatever they can to save a few bucks here and there.
 

zanejohnson

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America is basically hitler Germany ....except they got smart and puppets are in office...big money is pulling the strings...except liberals are the Jews...all its gonna take is someone like dick cheney in office and we're there....all these campaigns in the middle east...try reading news about what's really going on over there..don't watch fox news, CNN l..capable will show you the chaos that is Congress...the others ...propoganda...to the Max.
 

SampSon

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zanejohnson is still high. I feel sorry for your family.

dmcowen674 is still full of it as usual.

The canadian oil sands are not a cost effective source of carbon fuel at this point. The cost of extracting the oil from the oil sands is nearly twice as much as its market value is. It's ridiculously energy intensive, destructive to the environment and a significant portion of it cannot be extracted to any effective degree with current mining technology.

When all other sources of oil are depleted and were still burning up oil to run our world, then it's likely canada's oil sand filth will be extracted.
 

zanejohnson

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zanejohnson is still high. I feel sorry for your family.

dmcowen674 is still full of it as usual.

The canadian oil sands are not a cost effective source of carbon fuel at this point. The cost of extracting the oil from the oil sands is nearly twice as much as its market value is. It's ridiculously energy intensive, destructive to the environment and a significant portion of it cannot be extracted to any effective degree with current mining technology.

When all other sources of oil are depleted and were still burning up oil to run our world, then it's likely canada's oil sand filth will be extracted.

All you can do is try to use personal attacks against anyone who disagrees with you...you know what that is..Its that misery loves company..it just kills you that you know your wrong...so you resort to acting like 5rh grade bully...I feel sorry for your soul and conscious...
 
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