Is this believable story by Donna Brazile?

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Jhhnn

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Why even post that mumbo jumbo? There is no repeating anything it was a very simple question.

No use arguing with a Partisan before an American.

You're right & don't know it. There's no point in arguing with a conspiracy theory believer. I merely point out your folly so that others might not repeat it.

All the primary contenders were invited to help support the DNC through joint fund raising efforts. Only Clinton did so. Those efforts would have supported any eventual nominee. It's perfectly clear that the people at the top of the DNC welcomed that support, even if Brazile was clueless herself.

Are you silly enough to believe that the DNC wouldn't have gone all in for Bernie had he won the nomination? I hope not.
 

Jhhnn

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Yes, it was a "vast right wing conspiracy" who believes anyone that spews that kind of shit?

Duhvert more, taj, while you're waiting for your talking points to be delivered. Looks like your suppliers in the vast right wing noise machine are having trouble with this one... I'm sure they'll come through for you rsn... There are people a lot smarter & more devious than you working on it right now, I'm sure...
 

brycejones

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Is this believable story by Donna Brazile?

OP if Donna Brazile didn't write the book who did?
 
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Duhvert more, taj, while you're waiting for your talking points to be delivered. Looks like your suppliers in the vast right wing noise machine are having trouble with this one... I'm sure they'll come through for you rsn... There are people a lot smarter & more devious than you working on it right now, I'm sure...
No, you're the asshole constantly bringing up conspiracy crap, face it, Hillary was one of the first and biggest conspiracy theorists of all time with her . VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY theory. oooohooooh
 

ivwshane

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No, you're the asshole constantly bringing up conspiracy crap, face it, Hillary was one of the first and biggest conspiracy theorists of all time with her . VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY theory. oooohooooh

Damn man! You get dumber by the post!
 

brycejones

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Damn man! You get dumber by the post!

tajbot is the work of a low t developer. Many functions are not implemented and it seems stuck on Hillary. Based on that I can only assume the developer has already moved on to new projects since this one doesn't appear to be maintained at all.
 

fskimospy

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Remember how during Obama's presidency conservatives whined whenever people brought up Bush, saying that Obama was the president now and it didn't matter what happened in the past.

Now of course that a Republican is in the White House they have forgotten that part. Hell, they don't even care that Clinton was never president to begin with. As usual the hypocrisy is pretty amusing.
 
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Ohh look a new opinion piece looking at the possible prosecution of Hillary!
http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...-any-crimes-in-rigging-the-democratic-primary

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Now, experts are scrambling to find shelter in the narrowest of criminal definitions as Democratic figures are implicated in special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation as well as new campaign allegations by a former party leader.


Just as I have been skeptical of theories of Trump’s criminality, I am equally skeptical of such pronouncements of Hillary Clinton’s crimes based on current evidence. However, Trump would need to look no further than the interpretations of many experts to support calls for prosecution. It was recently confirmed that Clinton’s campaign paid a foreign national to dig up dirt against Trump from other foreign nationals, including Russian and foreign intelligence sources. Both Trump and Clinton have justified their actions as standard “opposition research.” Moreover, both campaigns insist the public had a right to know of evidence of illegality held by such sources.


Experts have spent months shoehorning Trump into ill-fitting criminal provisions. Some have argued that he can be charged under Section 371, which prohibits conspiracies to defraud the United States “in any manner or for any purpose.” Former federal prosecutor Randall Eliason has argued, “Running a free and fair presidential election is a core lawful function of the federal government. Any agreement to secretly and dishonestly attempt to interfere with a federal election would fall squarely within Section 371’s prohibition on conspiracies to defraud the United States.”

Well, if seeking dirt from the Russians on Clinton is now a federal crime, how about seeking dirt from Russian sources against Trump? If that does not “fall squarely within” the criminal code, how about rigging the primary, as alleged last week by former Democratic National Committee head Donna Brazile?
....
If Clinton gained critical control over the primary in a secret deal, how was the election “free and fair” for the purposes of Section 371? When the subject was Trump, defense counsel Tor Ekeland insisted that the Trump could be charged on “a whole plethora of areas of potential criminal liability.” When asked if Trump could be prosecuted even if he did not encourage the hacking of emails, but simply encouraged the release of information, Ekeland reportedly responded with an expression of profane glee and said that mere encouragement is potentially enough. Such abandon is characteristic of the “anything goes when it comes to Trump” approach to legal interpretation.

Yet again, nothing but barriers are seen to investigating Clinton, even after her belated acknowledgement of funding the dossier after it was confirmed by various newspapers for weeks. Clinton defended her actions by claiming, “You know, from my perspective, it didn’t come out before the election, as we all know.”
 
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fskimospy

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I for one am convinced by random opinion pieces.

What's funny is that you don't seem to realize the position of the op-ed is that if Trump is prosecutable than so is Clinton. While he takes a number of highly dubious leaps of logic to get there if that's the case I'm pretty sure that's fine by most liberals. Enjoy prosecuting Clinton while we enjoy prosecuting the president. lol. Not hard to see who wins there.
 

woolfe9998

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I for one am convinced by random opinion pieces.

What's funny is that you don't seem to realize the position of the op-ed is that if Trump is prosecutable than so is Clinton. While he takes a number of highly dubious leaps of logic to get there if that's the case I'm pretty sure that's fine by most liberals. Enjoy prosecuting Clinton while we enjoy prosecuting the president. lol. Not hard to see who wins there.

The editorial is total nonsense. Donna Brazille's various observations about what went on at the DNC do not suggest any criminal activity. Brazille herself has said this repeatedly. So far as paying for a private investigator to do oppo research, it obviously isn't the same as thing as offering up favorable policy treatment to a foreign government in exchange for dirt said government has compiled as a result of felonious activities. And if there is a case to be made in relation to donations to the Clinton Foundation, they can go ahead and make them in court, but proving the quid pro quo is going to be difficult when that uranium deal had to be approved by several other agencies.

There is no double standard here. The allegations against the two simply aren't the same.
 
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zinfamous

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...dab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.c4b9b8188abd

Brazile writes that she was haunted by the still-unsolved murder of DNC data staffer Seth Rich and feared for her own life, shutting the blinds to her office window so snipers could not see her and installing surveillance cameras at her home. She wonders whether Russians had placed a listening device in plants in the DNC executive suite.


Hmmm

So a paranoid delusional individual stands out as a credible witness?
 

fskimospy

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The editorial is total nonsense. Donna Brazille's various observations about what went on at the DNC do not suggest any criminal activity. Brazille herself has said this repeatedly. So far as paying for a private investigator to do oppo research, it obviously isn't the same as thing as offering up favorable policy treatment to a foreign government in exchange for dirt said government has compiled as a result of felonious activities. And if there is a case to be made in relation to donations to the Clinton Foundation, they can go ahead and make them in court, but proving the quid pro quo is going to be difficult when that uranium deal had to be approved by several other agencies.

There is no double standard here. The allegations against the two simply aren't the same.

I sincerely doubt they care if they are able to prove a criminal case or not. (it seems nearly certain they cannot) The whole point, as with the Benghazi hearings, is to create a nebulous idea that some impropriety must have occurred somewhere despite having no evidence for it. I mean we've seen in the uranium threads here that people alleging Clinton somehow behaved inappropriately when they can't even come up with a plausible mechanism by which she did it. It's straight out Underpants Gnomes territory.

That being said, it does seem that conservative media is in a panic over Mueller's investigation considering the cloud of bullshit they are trying to throw up. While this is shameful in and of itself, it's important to remember that this cloud of bullshit is being thrown up to protect the president from an investigation as to whether or not he illegally colluded with a hostile foreign government to put himself in power, which if true would easily be the biggest scandal in US political history. THAT'S what they don't want people investigating. It's absolutely insane.
 

woolfe9998

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I sincerely doubt they care if they are able to prove a criminal case or not. (it seems nearly certain they cannot) The whole point, as with the Benghazi hearings, is to create a nebulous idea that some impropriety must have occurred somewhere despite having no evidence for it. I mean we've seen in the uranium threads here that people alleging Clinton somehow behaved inappropriately when they can't even come up with a plausible mechanism by which she did it. It's straight out Underpants Gnomes territory.

That being said, it does seem that conservative media is in a panic over Mueller's investigation considering the cloud of bullshit they are trying to throw up. While this is shameful in and of itself, it's important to remember that this cloud of bullshit is being thrown up to protect the president from an investigation as to whether or not he illegally colluded with a hostile foreign government to put himself in power, which if true would easily be the biggest scandal in US political history. THAT'S what they don't want people investigating. It's absolutely insane.

Yes, I know what they're doing and why they're doing it. I'm concerned that it actually may be effective. It wouldn't stall Mueller's investigation, but it could minimize the political damage to Trump from anything that results.
 

fskimospy

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Yes, I know what they're doing and why they're doing it. I'm concerned that it actually may be effective. It wouldn't stall Mueller's investigation, but it could minimize the political damage to Trump from anything that results.

That's my biggest fear too, that Mueller comes back and has Trump dead to rights and Republicans simply don't care. At that point I don't think it's too much of an exaggeration to say that the rule of law is basically over.
 

Jhhnn

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Yes, I know what they're doing and why they're doing it. I'm concerned that it actually may be effective. It wouldn't stall Mueller's investigation, but it could minimize the political damage to Trump from anything that results.
That's my biggest fear too, that Mueller comes back and has Trump dead to rights and Republicans simply don't care. At that point I don't think it's too much of an exaggeration to say that the rule of law is basically over.

I don't think it will work at all because the smear against Mueller requires too many leaps of faith into conspiracy theory to be believable to most people. The charge is that he failed to properly investigate the 2010 uranium deal because of some Russian stealing from their own company who he busted anyway. Cuz Hillary, obviously.
 

Pens1566

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I don't think it will work at all because the smear against Mueller requires too many leaps of faith into conspiracy theory to be believable to most people. The charge is that he failed to properly investigate the 2010 uranium deal because of some Russian stealing from their own company who he busted anyway. Cuz Hillary, obviously.

#pizzagate
 

woolfe9998

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I don't think it will work at all because the smear against Mueller requires too many leaps of faith into conspiracy theory to be believable to most people. The charge is that he failed to properly investigate the 2010 uranium deal because of some Russian stealing from their own company who he busted anyway. Cuz Hillary, obviously.

I fear you may have too much faith in humanity.
 

werepossum

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Three points here. First, Brazile herself was part of the Hillary machine within the DNC, feeding Hillary primary debate questions so that she'd be prepared. Second, Sanders was not a Democrat before running for their nomination; he had left the party to become an independent socialist. Not exactly surprising that the actual, continuous Democrat got extra-legal help. Third, if there is a legal or even an arguably quasi-legal way to get around the law and gain political advantage, especially money, it's damned certain that the candidate able to furnish the money is going to write the rules for her own advantage. Regardless of party, given that the only possible penalty is a fine that the winner will have no problem covering. The only thing new in all this (other than the sheer scope of the DNC's incompetency - something I always assume in politics on either side) is Brazile attempting to be the victim rather than part of the crime. Also, DWS' admitted complete buffoonery does not excuse Brazile from her fiduciary duty to the corporation. I don't think Brazile is in any way responsible for this fiasco beyond her role in supporting Clinton before she was the nominee, but I'm not impressed with her story of victimhood. She has my sympathy in inheriting the helm of a ship that is underwater, but she needs to own her part in bailing into the ship.
 

werepossum

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Sen. Warren says that the primary was rigged.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...l_primary_was_rigged_for_hillary_clinton.html

"TAPPER: Senator, do you believe with the notion that it was rigged?

WARREN: Yes."

Not as if we can believe everything that Fauxahontas says, but in this case I do, so will many Democrats.
"Rigged" connotes that Hillary would have won regardless of the voters. They certainly gave her every advantage - in part because Wasserman-Schultz' incompetence gave them little choice - but "rigged" is a bridge too far.
 
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"Rigged" connotes that Hillary would have won regardless of the voters. They certainly gave her every advantage - in part because Wasserman-Schultz' incompetence gave them little choice - but "rigged" is a bridge too far.
To prearrange or tamper with the results. Yes the DNC was rigged, Bernie was lied to and cheated out of a fair opportunity to win the nomination. As was O'Malley and others. Is it any wonder their candidacy never took wing when their own party was busy rigging the election for another candidate?
 

fskimospy

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To prearrange or tamper with the results. Yes the DNC was rigged, Bernie was lied to and cheated out of a fair opportunity to win the nomination. As was O'Malley and others. Is it any wonder their candidacy never took wing when their own party was busy rigging the election for another candidate?

Can you tell us what was done to cheat him out of an opportunity to win the nomination? You can just name the biggest factors to you if that's more convenient but please let us know what effects they had that denied him what he would have otherwise won.
 

hal2kilo

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As Donna described it, the DNC had a cancer in it. That's no distraction. It's a pointed insight into what was wrong in 2016.
Donna Brazille is very passionate about the democratic party. I saw her on MSNBC. The bottom line is that, the Clinton campaign bailed out the broke ass party. Unfortunately, there were strings attached, of which Donna at the time was not completely aware of. She as chairwoman of the DNC, during the primary would ask for such and such amount of money to support candidate so in so and she would only get a partial amount of what she asked for. There also was a certain amount of arrogance by the party also of not hitting the bricks and running some good ground campaigns. I'm believing Donna as she's probably one of the most active and loyal democrats out there.
 
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