Is this considered rape, my friend... *UPDATE*

[tk149]

Google search revealed...the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network...

RAINN

61% of rapes/sexual assaults are not reported to the police. Those rapists, of course, never serve a day in prison. [1999 NCVS]
If the rape is reported to police, there is a 50.8% chance that an arrest will be made.

If an arrest is made, there is an 80% chance of prosecution.

If there is a prosecution, there is a 58% chance of a felony conviction.

If there is a felony conviction, there is a 69% chance the convict will spend time in jail.

So, even in the 39% of attacks that are reported to police, there is only a 16.3% chance the rapist will end up in prison.

Factoring in unreported rapes, about 6% of rapists?1 out of 16? will ever spend a day in jail. 15 out of 16 will walk free.

[Probability statistics compiled by NCPA from US Department of Justice statistics. See www.ncpa.org/studies/s229/s229.html]

Decide for yourself if the stats are accurate. I question the validity of the number of unreported rapes. How the hell would they know?

For those of you who have ever even contemplated anything close to rape: Take a day off, and go to your local courthouse. Watch a rape trial. Once you see that poor guy at the defense table, sweating his b*lls off in front of 12 angry jurors, you will quickly realize that you will NEVER EVER want to be in his position.

I saw a date rape trial where the accused claimed that:
1. It was consensual sex (of course), and
2. the woman said that she'd scream "Rape!" if he left her. He left her.

The jury rendered a verdict of innocent. That guy probably pissed his pants when they announced the verdict.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: tk149
Google search revealed...the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network...

RAINN

61% of rapes/sexual assaults are not reported to the police. Those rapists, of course, never serve a day in prison. [1999 NCVS]
If the rape is reported to police, there is a 50.8% chance that an arrest will be made.

If an arrest is made, there is an 80% chance of prosecution.

If there is a prosecution, there is a 58% chance of a felony conviction.

If there is a felony conviction, there is a 69% chance the convict will spend time in jail.

So, even in the 39% of attacks that are reported to police, there is only a 16.3% chance the rapist will end up in prison.

Factoring in unreported rapes, about 6% of rapists?1 out of 16? will ever spend a day in jail. 15 out of 16 will walk free.

[Probability statistics compiled by NCPA from US Department of Justice statistics. See www.ncpa.org/studies/s229/s229.html]

Decide for yourself if the stats are accurate. I question the validity of the number of unreported rapes. How the hell would they know?

For those of you who have ever even contemplated anything close to rape: Take a day off, and go to your local courthouse. Watch a rape trial. Once you see that poor guy at the defense table, sweating his b*lls off in front of 12 angry jurors, you will quickly realize that you will NEVER EVER want to be in his position.

I saw a date rape trial where the accused claimed that:
1. It was consensual sex (of course), and
2. the woman said that she'd scream "Rape!" if he left her. He left her.

The jury rendered a verdict of innocent. That guy probably pissed his pants when they announced the verdict.

All this would indicate that the "any alcohol and you're a rapist" arguement is a load of crap.

 

[Hoober]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: tk149
Google search revealed...the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network...

RAINN

61% of rapes/sexual assaults are not reported to the police. Those rapists, of course, never serve a day in prison. [1999 NCVS]
If the rape is reported to police, there is a 50.8% chance that an arrest will be made.

If an arrest is made, there is an 80% chance of prosecution.

If there is a prosecution, there is a 58% chance of a felony conviction.

If there is a felony conviction, there is a 69% chance the convict will spend time in jail.

So, even in the 39% of attacks that are reported to police, there is only a 16.3% chance the rapist will end up in prison.

Factoring in unreported rapes, about 6% of rapists?1 out of 16? will ever spend a day in jail. 15 out of 16 will walk free.

[Probability statistics compiled by NCPA from US Department of Justice statistics. See www.ncpa.org/studies/s229/s229.html]

Decide for yourself if the stats are accurate. I question the validity of the number of unreported rapes. How the hell would they know?

For those of you who have ever even contemplated anything close to rape: Take a day off, and go to your local courthouse. Watch a rape trial. Once you see that poor guy at the defense table, sweating his b*lls off in front of 12 angry jurors, you will quickly realize that you will NEVER EVER want to be in his position.

I saw a date rape trial where the accused claimed that:
1. It was consensual sex (of course), and
2. the woman said that she'd scream "Rape!" if he left her. He left her.

The jury rendered a verdict of innocent. That guy probably pissed his pants when they announced the verdict.

All this would indicate that the "any alcohol and you're a rapist" arguement is a load of crap.

It would also indicate that if more rapes were reported then a lot more people wouldn't walk off scott free.

 

[Viper GTS]

As much as I despise those that do things like the original poster described, I would have to agree that the current standard is HEAVILY in favor of women.

Sex should not need a signed, witnessed statement to be safe.

Viper GTS

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
As much as I despise those that do things like the original poster described, I would have to agree that the current standard is HEAVILY in favor of women.

Sex should not need a signed, witnessed statement to be safe.

Viper GTS

Yep, if it gets any worse we could need a signed disclaimer and a notarized breathalizer reading before we get any nookie.

 

[Hoober]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
As much as I despise those that do things like the original poster described, I would have to agree that the current standard is HEAVILY in favor of women.

Sex should not need a signed, witnessed statement to be safe.

Viper GTS

Yep, if it gets any worse we could need a signed disclaimer and a notarized breathalizer reading before we get any nookie.

I like my wife.

 

[Siddhartha]

rape verb
to have sexual intercourse with a woman without her consent and chiefly by force or deception <rape a young girl>
syn defile, deflorate, deflower, force, outrage, ravish, spoil, violate
rel debauch, devirginate, dishonor, ruin; betray, deceive, mislead; entice, lure, seduce, tempt; compromise, shame, wrong

(C)1996 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. All rights reserved.

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
As much as I despise those that do things like the original poster described, I would have to agree that the current standard is HEAVILY in favor of women.

Sex should not need a signed, witnessed statement to be safe.

Viper GTS

Agreed. But do you see any way of making it better?

 

[oLLie]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: tk149
Google search revealed...the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network...

RAINN

61% of rapes/sexual assaults are not reported to the police. Those rapists, of course, never serve a day in prison. [1999 NCVS]
If the rape is reported to police, there is a 50.8% chance that an arrest will be made.

If an arrest is made, there is an 80% chance of prosecution.

If there is a prosecution, there is a 58% chance of a felony conviction.

If there is a felony conviction, there is a 69% chance the convict will spend time in jail.

So, even in the 39% of attacks that are reported to police, there is only a 16.3% chance the rapist will end up in prison.

Factoring in unreported rapes, about 6% of rapists?1 out of 16? will ever spend a day in jail. 15 out of 16 will walk free.

[Probability statistics compiled by NCPA from US Department of Justice statistics. See www.ncpa.org/studies/s229/s229.html]

Decide for yourself if the stats are accurate. I question the validity of the number of unreported rapes. How the hell would they know?

For those of you who have ever even contemplated anything close to rape: Take a day off, and go to your local courthouse. Watch a rape trial. Once you see that poor guy at the defense table, sweating his b*lls off in front of 12 angry jurors, you will quickly realize that you will NEVER EVER want to be in his position.

I saw a date rape trial where the accused claimed that:
1. It was consensual sex (of course), and
2. the woman said that she'd scream "Rape!" if he left her. He left her.

The jury rendered a verdict of innocent. That guy probably pissed his pants when they announced the verdict.

All this would indicate that the "any alcohol and you're a rapist" arguement is a load of crap.

His post doesn't say anything about alcohol.

 

[Hoober]

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
As much as I despise those that do things like the original poster described, I would have to agree that the current standard is HEAVILY in favor of women.

Sex should not need a signed, witnessed statement to be safe.

Viper GTS

Agreed. But do you see any way of making it better?

It is really too bad what things have come to.

 

[Aceshigh]

No one in this thread knows whether or not this girl was raped. Not one of us was there. Yet everyone is stating that he raped her. That's just ignorant. None of us know. It's not right to go branding this guy a rapist based on what we have heard.

When a person is stoned and drunk, their inhibitions will obviously be lowered. And while she may have rejected this guy while sober, maybe she got f@cked up and found she was turned on. Any average guy would have done for her at that moment. From what was written it didn't sound like he was physically forcing her, or having sex with a woman who is asleep or passed out. It sounds like your typical stoned/drunk sleepy sex situation. Now if she sobered up the next day and was embarrassed about sleeping with the guy (if she can even remember) and decided it was rape, thats just wrong, and it wasn't rape. The issue of whether or not it was rape has everything to do with her actions at that moment they were together. If she was going with it and being receptive then it was not rape, period, regardless of whether she was in the right state of mind. People do all kinds of things when they are f@cked up that they wouldn't do when they are sober. Alot of otherwise prim and proper people's "inner slut" comes out when they are f@cked up and under the influence. Now if she was just laying there asleep, with no oral interaction, no holding him, and no vaginal lubrication, etc, and he forced himself on her then that is definitely rape.

Everything I said above is obviously speculation on exactly what might have happened. I don't know the exact disposition of the situation and neither do any of you. So it is just stupid to say "He is a rapist" or "He commited rape." at this juncture.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Aceshigh
No one in this thread knows whether or not this girl was raped. Not one of us was there. Yet everyone is stating that he raped her. That's just ignorant. None of us know. It's not right to go branding this guy a rapist based on what we have heard.

When a person is stoned and drunk, their inhibitions will obviously be lowered. And while she may have rejected this guy while sober, maybe she got f@cked up and found she was turned on. Any average guy would have done for her at that moment. From what was written it didn't sound like he was physically forcing her, or having sex with a woman who is asleep or passed out. It sounds like your typical stoned/drunk sleepy sex situation. Now if she sobered up the next day and was embarrassed about sleeping with the guy (if she can even remember) and decided it was rape, thats just wrong, and it wasn't rape. The issue of whether or not it was rape has everything to do with her actions at that moment they were together. If she was going with it and being receptive then it was not rape, period, regardless of whether she was in the right state of mind. People do all kinds of things when they are f@cked up that they wouldn't do when they are sober. Alot of otherwise prim and proper people's "inner slut" comes out when they are f@cked up and under the influence. Now if she was just laying there asleep, with no oral interaction, no holding him, and no vaginal lubrication, etc, and he forced himself on her then that is definitely rape.

Everything I said above is obviously speculation on exactly what might have happened. I don't know the exact disposition of the situation and neither do any of you. So it is just stupid to say "He is a rapist" or "He commited rape." at this juncture.

Go read the post by Jmman with the 5:05 time stamp and then come back here and tell us again who's ignorant.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Hoober

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
in other words women are inferior and need to be protected.


sweet double standards.

Woah... when did they become inferior?

the assumptions made in certain rape judgements assume women are still inferior irrational beings inacapable of taking care of themselves or having any responsibility.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Hoober

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
in other words women are inferior and need to be protected.


sweet double standards.

Woah... when did they become inferior?

the assumptions made in certain rape judgements assume women are still inferior irrational beings inacapable of taking care of themselves or having any responsibility.

examples please

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Hoober

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
As much as I despise those that do things like the original poster described, I would have to agree that the current standard is HEAVILY in favor of women.

Sex should not need a signed, witnessed statement to be safe.

Viper GTS

Agreed. But do you see any way of making it better?

It is really too bad what things have come to.

yup, its going to come down to mandatory orgies

 

[EngenZerO]

woah, not cool. call the cops and find new friends dude. that is rape.

 

[Jmman]

There is another ruling about rape in the republic of California that is also an eye opener. A woman was having consensual sex with a guy, and midway throught the sex act told him to stop. Since he did not immediately stop, and continued to have sex with her for about a "minute" more, he was not only charged with rape, but convicted, and sentenced to 6 months in jail......:Q

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Hoober

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
in other words women are inferior and need to be protected.


sweet double standards.

Woah... when did they become inferior?

the assumptions made in certain rape judgements assume women are still inferior irrational beings inacapable of taking care of themselves or having any responsibility.

examples please

simple.


woman drinks and is drunk, has sex. she's considered incapable of making a responsible decision and is automatically the victim no matter the circumstances. the way you would judge a young child. incapable of judgement or responsibility. a hold over from times when women were considered property and incapable of rational judgement and in need of protection.

man gets drunk and has sex. he's considered responsible for everything.


a man and woman both impaired have sex. no force. guess who has commited a crime? is that equal justice? or a judgement based on inferiority of one side.

 

[Aceshigh]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Aceshigh
No one in this thread knows whether or not this girl was raped. Not one of us was there. Yet everyone is stating that he raped her. That's just ignorant. None of us know. It's not right to go branding this guy a rapist based on what we have heard.

When a person is stoned and drunk, their inhibitions will obviously be lowered. And while she may have rejected this guy while sober, maybe she got f@cked up and found she was turned on. Any average guy would have done for her at that moment. From what was written it didn't sound like he was physically forcing her, or having sex with a woman who is asleep or passed out. It sounds like your typical stoned/drunk sleepy sex situation. Now if she sobered up the next day and was embarrassed about sleeping with the guy (if she can even remember) and decided it was rape, thats just wrong, and it wasn't rape. The issue of whether or not it was rape has everything to do with her actions at that moment they were together. If she was going with it and being receptive then it was not rape, period, regardless of whether she was in the right state of mind. People do all kinds of things when they are f@cked up that they wouldn't do when they are sober. Alot of otherwise prim and proper people's "inner slut" comes out when they are f@cked up and under the influence. Now if she was just laying there asleep, with no oral interaction, no holding him, and no vaginal lubrication, etc, and he forced himself on her then that is definitely rape.

Everything I said above is obviously speculation on exactly what might have happened. I don't know the exact disposition of the situation and neither do any of you. So it is just stupid to say "He is a rapist" or "He commited rape." at this juncture.

Go read the post by Jmman with the 5:05 time stamp and then come back here and tell us again who's ignorant.

And your point is?? The legal definition stated "Unable to give consent due to etc, etc". If the two of them are having sexual relations and she is going through any of the motions at all (and not laying there like a rock,passed out, asleep, etc) then she is giving consent, regardless of how much alcohol she has consumed.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Aceshigh
And your point is?? The legal definition stated "Unable to give consent due to etc, etc". If the two of them are having sexual relations and she is going through any of the motions at all (and not laying there like a rock,passed out, asleep, etc) then she is giving consent, regardless of how much alcohol she has consumed.

Maybe that is why she was not as good as his friend had expected.

 

[Jmman]

She is unable to give consent under the law if she is intoxicated, so even if she responded, etc, you could be charged with rape......

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Aceshigh

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Aceshigh
No one in this thread knows whether or not this girl was raped. Not one of us was there. Yet everyone is stating that he raped her. That's just ignorant. None of us know. It's not right to go branding this guy a rapist based on what we have heard.

When a person is stoned and drunk, their inhibitions will obviously be lowered. And while she may have rejected this guy while sober, maybe she got f@cked up and found she was turned on. Any average guy would have done for her at that moment. From what was written it didn't sound like he was physically forcing her, or having sex with a woman who is asleep or passed out. It sounds like your typical stoned/drunk sleepy sex situation. Now if she sobered up the next day and was embarrassed about sleeping with the guy (if she can even remember) and decided it was rape, thats just wrong, and it wasn't rape. The issue of whether or not it was rape has everything to do with her actions at that moment they were together. If she was going with it and being receptive then it was not rape, period, regardless of whether she was in the right state of mind. People do all kinds of things when they are f@cked up that they wouldn't do when they are sober. Alot of otherwise prim and proper people's "inner slut" comes out when they are f@cked up and under the influence. Now if she was just laying there asleep, with no oral interaction, no holding him, and no vaginal lubrication, etc, and he forced himself on her then that is definitely rape.

Everything I said above is obviously speculation on exactly what might have happened. I don't know the exact disposition of the situation and neither do any of you. So it is just stupid to say "He is a rapist" or "He commited rape." at this juncture.

Go read the post by Jmman with the 5:05 time stamp and then come back here and tell us again who's ignorant.

And your point is?? The legal definition stated "Unable to give consent due to etc, etc". If the two of them are having sexual relations and she is going through any of the motions at all (and not laying there like a rock,passed out, asleep, etc) then she is giving consent, regardless of how much alcohol she has consumed.

This is my point...
... or when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor, narcotic, drug, or any other substance, which condition was known by the offender or was reasonably apparent to the offender."

 

[nitrousninja]

Subscribing. Turn him in or you are as accountable as he is in the eyes of the law. This isn't a misdemeanor we're talking about. BTW the moral of this thread is to not drink ever and report rapists. 95% of this type of problem would go away if people would learn the alcohol isn't the end- all- be- all of fun.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Jmman
There is another ruling about rape in the republic of California that is also an eye opener. A woman was having consensual sex with a guy, and midway throught the sex act told him to stop. Since he did not immediately stop, and continued to have sex with her for about a "minute" more, he was not only charged with rape, but convicted, and sentenced to 6 months in jail......:Q

That story is right here.

AND she didn't actually tell him to stop but said "I should be going now" and "I need to go home".

Messed up.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: nitrousninja
Subscribing. Turn him in or you are as accountable as he is in the eyes of the law.

Umm... No. You are describing the old English common law called misprision. You are not under an obligation to turn in someone because you know he has committed a crime. However, you cannot aid or abet someone in concealing a crime. That is being an accessory after the fact.