Is this considered rape, my friend... *UPDATE*

[Mill]

There is not enough information here to decide whether or not it was rape but your posts seem to suggest it was. Either way you should find new friends and that tone of your posts suggest you are such an asshat I seriously doubt anyone would want to be your friend. Really get a fvcking life dude. If he raped her then you should bust him in the head with a beer bottle a few times. Likewise you should have a beer bottle busted over your head several times as well. Hopefully that will knock some sense into you because you SERIOUSLY seem to lack it.

 

[Soybomb]

Of course its rape, what are you still talking to that piece of crap for?

 

[SuperTool]

Not sure. Certainly taking advantage of her, but if she was drunk and consented, she is adult and is responsible for her decisions, even if she was drunk.
If she didn't consent, then it's rape.

 

[nitrousninja]

What about the fact that he is withholding information about the crime? Plus he knows it was wrong and is toiling with what to do in his head. Did this kid use a condom? Is he clean or is she pregnant? Is SHE clean?

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: michaelh20
I would say it is rape in all but name.... technically perhaps you could say it isn't, but in reality it is.. more or less...

trying to cover your bases?

 

[sandorski]

Not knowing many details, which I suspect you may not have as well, your friend may or may not have raped this chick. It sounds to me though that under the circumstances that if you would have done what your friend suggested, you likely would have committed rape. Your "friend", whether he raped or not is a total loser, passing on a chick then calling her a slut, fvcking lame! If you liked this chick, you should have laid your friend on his ass right there! :|

Us guys need to learn some Chivalry. Women aren't bitches and hos, anyone who thinks so is a loser as well. I don't freakin care if they'd "pop a cap" in my ass, whether I'm alive or dead, they'll still be a loser.


Oops, sorry, got off on a tangent.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: minendo
He raped her. Find some new friends.

And the arrested part too.

Usually, if you have to ask if it's rape, it is.

:Q:disgust::frown:

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Jmman
There is another ruling about rape in the republic of California that is also an eye opener. A woman was having consensual sex with a guy, and midway throught the sex act told him to stop. Since he did not immediately stop, and continued to have sex with her for about a "minute" more, he was not only charged with rape, but convicted, and sentenced to 6 months in jail......:Q

That story is right here.

AND she didn't actually tell him to stop but said "I should be going now" and "I need to go home".

Messed up.

It sounds like some of the folks posting here were on that jury. And ya'll need to stop trying to scare this guy into getting involved. He's under no obligation, be it legal or moral, to do anything here, other than maybe find higher quality friends.

 

[Dufman]

castrate him, then call the cops

 

[johnjohn320]

I doubt it's legally considered rape, because HE didn't get her drunk, she got herself drunk.

However, as far as I am concerned, your friend raped this girl and I would distance myself from him as much as possible.

 

[Soybomb]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
I doubt it's legally considered rape, because HE didn't get her drunk, she got herself drunk.

However, as far as I am concerned, your friend raped this girl and I would distance myself from him as much as possible.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
I doubt it's legally considered rape, because HE didn't get her drunk, she got herself drunk.

However, as far as I am concerned, your friend raped this girl and I would distance myself from him as much as possible.

I'm sure it's indeed rape, but it may be something for a jury to ultimately decide in the way of law. It doesn't matter who got who drunk, what matters is he took advantage of a semi-conscious girl after she flat out rejected him in the past. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to get a jury to convict someone of that.

I would NOT even be in the same room as this guy anymore and I would most certainly tell this girl that she needs to be more careful about who she gets wasted around.

 

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: pulse8

I would NOT even be in the same room as this guy anymore and I would most certainly tell this girl that she needs to be more careful about who she gets wasted around.

Well, don't make it seem like it's her fault. She should be allowed to get wasted at a party if she wants to. Don't turn this into "the girl who got raped was asking for it".

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320

Originally posted by: pulse8

I would NOT even be in the same room as this guy anymore and I would most certainly tell this girl that she needs to be more careful about who she gets wasted around.

Well, don't make it seem like it's her fault. She should be allowed to get wasted at a party if she wants to. Don't turn this into "the girl who got raped was asking for it".

Where did I say it was her fault? I'm just saying that if she's going to be in a situation where she's going to get so intoxicated that she's going to pass out, she should make sure she trusts the people she's around. It's just a smart thing to do, IMO, to avoid possible situations like this.

It's the same reason you walk a girl to her car in a bad neighborhood because you don't know who else is out there and you don't leave your car door unlocked and open when you go into a store.

 

[Kenji4861]

Damn... not cool.

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: Jmman
Here is the definition of rape under Kansas law, and I believe that most jurisdictions have similar wording......

"Rape is sexual intercourse with a person who does not consent to the sexual intercourse, under any of the following circumstances:

A. When the victim is overcome by force or fear;

B. When the victim is unconscious or physically powerless; or

C. When the victim is incapable of giving consent because of mental deficiency or disease, or when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor, narcotic, drug, or any other substance, which condition was known by the offender or was reasonably apparent to the offender."


Do you notice the part about liquor? There has been some discussion about the legalities of having sex with any intoxicated person, because it very well could come back to haunt you......

i think this case is rape but still disagree with C. that you cant give consent after consumption of alcohol

what if I was beer gogglin pretty bad and then asks an ugly chick to sleep with him and she accepts?
would it be rape?
IMO absolutely not its my dumbass fault for getting drunk

i think she was raped because she was not conscious

im not saying she is to blame at all but she and your friend are both idiots IMO

 

[BaDaBooM]

Speechless.... :disgust:

 

[flavio]

C. When the victim is incapable of giving consent because of mental deficiency or disease, or when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor, narcotic, drug, or any other substance, which condition was known by the offender or was reasonably apparent to the offender."

I interperet this as meaning that if your too messed up to understand what's going on and say yes or no. After a couple drinks you are still capable of giving consent.

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: flavio

C. When the victim is incapable of giving consent because of mental deficiency or disease, or when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor, narcotic, drug, or any other substance, which condition was known by the offender or was reasonably apparent to the offender."

I interperet this as meaning that if your too messed up to understand what's going on and say yes or no. After a couple drinks you are still capable of giving consent.

because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor

certainly beer or alcohol can change a persons mind though and IMO its not rape

lets say a girl i would never sleep with if i was sober after 6 or 7 beers i say what the hell lets do it (assuming i can walk ok and can speak somewhat coherently)if she asks to fvck in that situation is it rape? I would say no but that is my problem with the wording of the law

beer has affected what i would have said in that situation but it still is not rape

 

[SuperTool]

If women aren't responsible for their actions (like giving consent) when they drink, then they should not be allowed to drink.
You are either:
A. An adult responsible for your actions and words, and responsible for not drinking so much that you do something stupid.
or
B. A child/retard who is not responsible for your actions when intoxicated, and thus should not be allowed to drink.

 

[pulse8]

certainly beer or alcohol can change a persons mind though and IMO its not rape

Well, what if a girl gets really drunk, passes out to an unconscious state and then the guy takes off her clothes and has sex with her. Is that not rape because he had alcohol?

What if she's somewhat conscious, says no, but is not able to fight the guy off because of being intoxicated? Is that not rape either?

 

[Jmman]

Well, really it all boils down to one thing, if you have any doubts about whether a girl is intoxicated or not, the best thing to do is keep it in your pants....

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: flavio

C. When the victim is incapable of giving consent because of mental deficiency or disease, or when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor, narcotic, drug, or any other substance, which condition was known by the offender or was reasonably apparent to the offender."

I interperet this as meaning that if your too messed up to understand what's going on and say yes or no. After a couple drinks you are still capable of giving consent.

because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor

certainly beer or alcohol can change a persons mind though and IMO its not rape

lets say a girl i would never sleep with if i was sober after 6 or 7 beers i say what the hell lets do it (assuming i can walk ok and can speak somewhat coherently)if she asks to fvck in that situation is it rape? I would say no but that is my problem with the wording of the law

beer has affected what i would have said in that situation but it still is not rape

I think "incapable" is the stressed word not "any". I don't think it's saying that "you are incapable of giving consent if any of the following". It's more "if you are incapable because of any of the following".

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: pulse8

certainly beer or alcohol can change a persons mind though and IMO its not rape

Well, what if a girl gets really drunk, passes out to an unconscious state and then the guy takes off her clothes and has sex with her. Is that not rape because he had alcohol?

What if she's somewhat conscious, says no, but is not able to fight the guy off because of being intoxicated? Is that not rape either?

Those are cases of rape. But if she's somewhat conscious and says yes, and doesn't fight the guy off, it should not be called rape.

 

[SuperGroove]

The girl shouldn't have gotten wasted around someone she felt uncomfortable with.

The guy's a bonehead, and the girl's a bonehead.