Is this considered rape, my friend... *UPDATE*

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: SSP

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
this will be my last post on this subject because i don't feel like talking about it alot.

I won't be calling teh cops about this matter, because if the girl decides she was raped, she would have called them in the first place. Maybe she doesn't want anyone to know what happened to her???

Could this forum (Anandtech) be in any trouble for not taking any action? Like Planned Parenthood the other day not reporting that 13-year-olds rape.

WTF can AT do?

"Hello 911? Theres this guy who said in a internet forum that his friend Raped a girl. I dont know where he lives or his name."

Yeah, you're right. It's not important. Sorry.

 

[Kenazo]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
Oh another thing i wanted to say, You guys should also take this into consideration.

Another reason i haven't called the cops is, this girl is no angel, me and my friend have known her for this last year, and she's a total bitch, just because she's attractive and a cheerleader she thinks she can act bitchy to everyone. Also when my friend asked her out, she insulted him infront of her friends and totally humiliated him. I felt sorry for my mate.

Yeah way too go...she definitely deserved it then!

I hope she is as big of a slut as you make her out to be and that your 'friend' comes down with some nasty STD's...or dare I say worse.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: BoYRaCeR
Look she probably knows about it but doesn't want to tell anyone because either way it'll make her look like a slut... that's messed up. fvcktards like that guy should be shot... forever.

lol As opposed to temporarily?

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
Oh another thing i wanted to say, You guys should also take this into consideration.

Another reason i haven't called the cops is, this girl is no angel, me and my friend have known her for this last year, and she's a total bitch, just because she's attractive and a cheerleader she thinks she can act bitchy to everyone. Also when my friend asked her out, she insulted him infront of her friends and totally humiliated him. I felt sorry for my mate.

You really are an idiot. I sure hope you don't have a sister.

 

[Hoober]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
Oh another thing i wanted to say, You guys should also take this into consideration.

Another reason i haven't called the cops is, this girl is no angel, me and my friend have known her for this last year, and she's a total bitch, just because she's attractive and a cheerleader she thinks she can act bitchy to everyone. Also when my friend asked her out, she insulted him infront of her friends and totally humiliated him. I felt sorry for my mate.

You really are an idiot. I sure hope you don't have a sister.

And God help her if you do.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
Oh another thing i wanted to say, You guys should also take this into consideration.

Another reason i haven't called the cops is, this girl is no angel, me and my friend have known her for this last year, and she's a total bitch, just because she's attractive and a cheerleader she thinks she can act bitchy to everyone. Also when my friend asked her out, she insulted him infront of her friends and totally humiliated him. I felt sorry for my mate.

This is starting to sound like one big Skoorb-ism. I find it hard to believe anyone is really this stupid.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Not rape. If she was half asleep, that means she was still half awake. But it was still a horrible thing to do, and you do need to find a new friend.

Rape = forcing a girl to have sex with you.
Not rape (but still bad) = taking advantage of a girl who got into the situation by her own stupidity.

So, if a woman gets in a car wreck because she's talking on the phone, it's okay to knock one out if you get there before the ambulance?

 

[FenrisUlf]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
Oh another thing i wanted to say, You guys should also take this into consideration.

Another reason i haven't called the cops is, this girl is no angel, me and my friend have known her for this last year, and she's a total bitch, just because she's attractive and a cheerleader she thinks she can act bitchy to everyone. Also when my friend asked her out, she insulted him infront of her friends and totally humiliated him. I felt sorry for my mate.

And that makes it OK to rape her? Just because you don't like her? Gee, somebody's feelings got hurt in high school, that's a first! With that kind of brilliant logic I should be allowed to kill anyone who makes me mad! She may not be an angel, but that doesn't give someone the right to rape her. Grow a pair, stop hanging out with a rapist and DO THE RIGHT THING! How you react to this will be a true test of your character.

 

[edjam]

That's pretty bad man.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: SSP

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
this will be my last post on this subject because i don't feel like talking about it alot.

I won't be calling teh cops about this matter, because if the girl decides she was raped, she would have called them in the first place. Maybe she doesn't want anyone to know what happened to her???

Could this forum (Anandtech) be in any trouble for not taking any action? Like Planned Parenthood the other day not reporting that 13-year-olds rape.

WTF can AT do?

"Hello 911? Theres this guy who said in a internet forum that his friend Raped a girl. I dont know where he lives or his name."

The mods have some personal information such as e-mail account and ip/service provider. IMHO, he has knowledge of a crime that was commited. It's the mod's duty to turn their info in.

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

This is starting to sound like one big Skoorb-ism. I find it hard to believe anyone is really this stupid.

Either that, or this guy lives under some seriously heavy duty power lines.

 

[Damage]

Originally posted by: Hoober

The point is, the cops would still arrest you and you would be prosecuted. The burden of proof then falls on your shoulders to prove that you did not rape the woman.

So much for innocent until PROVEN guilty huh??? one post ona BB someplace and he's convicted.. ok... gotcha.. Don't worry, the gestapo will be arriving soon.....

If he did it, he's an ass, and it may be rape.. But you don't know... And if there wasn't any force involved, is this really a FELONY crime because she had a few drinks and we're getting the story 2nd hand that she couldn't say "no"?..

I am not defending a darn thing he may have done.. just asking more questions because of the new court decision in CA that if you are in the middle of "consentual" sex if a woman says stop, and you don't you get 8 years.... That's a lot of power for someone who already said "yes" and I am just looking for other thoughts.

 

[Azraele]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
this will be my last post on this subject because i don't feel like talking about it alot.

I won't be calling teh cops about this matter, because if the girl decides she was raped, she would have called them in the first place. Maybe she doesn't want anyone to know what happened to her???

Does she remember what happened? She may not even be aware that she was raped. You know about a crime. You are choosing not to report it. I hope you can live with yourself and your conscience.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Kaervak

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

This is starting to sound like one big Skoorb-ism. I find it hard to believe anyone is really this stupid.

Either that, or this guy lives under some seriously heavy duty power lines.

Or he was raised in Alabama.

 

[Sukhoi]

The mods can do something. They know is IP. They know his ISP. They most likely know what city he lives in. They can contact the police there.

 

[Storm]

Hes not too bright to post on a forum that has 100k forum members

 

[hudster]

Originally posted by: Azraele
You know about a crime.

an ALLEDGED/POSSIBLE crime...all HK knows is what his buddy told him, nothing more.

HK, do something man...talk to her, talk to the cops...man, at least just go to them to clear yourself...don't get yourself into a mess because of your friend's (alledged) and this girl's (alledged) stupidity.

 

[Hoober]

Originally posted by: Damage

Originally posted by: Hoober

The point is, the cops would still arrest you and you would be prosecuted. The burden of proof then falls on your shoulders to prove that you did not rape the woman.

So much for innocent until PROVEN guilty huh??? one post ona BB someplace and he's convicted.. ok... gotcha.. Don't worry, the gestapo will be arriving soon.....

If he did it, he's an ass, and it may be rape.. But you don't know... And if there wasn't any force involved, is this really a FELONY crime because she had a few drinks and we're getting the story 2nd hand that she couldn't say "no"?..

I am not defending a darn thing he may have done.. just asking more questions because of the new court decision in CA that if you are in the middle of "consentual" sex if a woman says stop, and you don't you get 8 years.... That's a lot of power for someone who already said "yes" and I am just looking for other thoughts.

Juries have always favored females in cases such as this. If you have sex with a woman and she cries rape, you WILL have a very hard time proving your innocence. There have been numerous court cases on this. I'm not saying it's right and I'm not saying it's how things should be. It is how things are, though.

 

[Azraele]

Another reason i haven't called the cops is, this girl is no angel, me and my friend have known her for this last year, and she's a total bitch, just because she's attractive and a cheerleader she thinks she can act bitchy to everyone

What has that got to do with the price of tea on the moon? Her attidude does not change the fact that she was RAPED. You think she's got an attitude so that makes it ok? What is wrong with you? :disgust:

 

[hudster]

Originally posted by: Sukhoi
The mods can do something. They know is IP. They know his ISP. They most likely know what city he lives in. They can contact the police there.

yeah, this is the other reason I'd talk to the police HK, because even if the girl doesn't go to them...well, after posting this in this forum, it's possible that AT may/will report it. if not for the sake of the girl, at least do it for yourself man.

 

[illusion88]

Originally posted by: Sukhoi
The mods can do something. They know is IP. They know his ISP. They most likely know what city he lives in. They can contact the police there.

All you need is an IP and time it was used...
I dont think the MODS would do anything. They dont even have the name of the guy who did it. All they have is the name of person who is friends with the perp. Police probally wouldn't care. Besides think of the phone conversation...
"Im a mod at an internet forum, and one of our members posted about rape."
"mm hmm.. Mr. Mod. Which forum did you say you were from?"
"ATOT sir"
"Yes..."
"Well he posted that his friend....

Can you see where this is going?
NOWHERE!

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: hudster

Originally posted by: Sukhoi
The mods can do something. They know is IP. They know his ISP. They most likely know what city he lives in. They can contact the police there.

yeah, this is the other reason I'd talk to the police HK, because even if the girl doesn't go to them...well, after posting this in this forum, it's possible that AT may/will report it. if not for the sake of the girl, at least do it for yourself man.

Are you saying that she might also accuse TK of raping her? Or are you saying that he'd be in trouble for not reporting it? If the latter, why would he be in trouble but not those he himself told?

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: Jmman
Here is the definition of rape under Kansas law, and I believe that most jurisdictions have similar wording......

"Rape is sexual intercourse with a person who does not consent to the sexual intercourse, under any of the following circumstances:

A. When the victim is overcome by force or fear;

B. When the victim is unconscious or physically powerless; or

C. When the victim is incapable of giving consent because of mental deficiency or disease, or when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor, narcotic, drug, or any other substance, which condition was known by the offender or was reasonably apparent to the offender."


Do you notice the part about liquor? There has been some discussion about the legalities of having sex with any intoxicated person, because it very well could come back to haunt you......

Now that you have found the definition, did you find the case law and the precidents to go with it? Did you actually read the statutes? Of course not.

Too many blanket statements about "any alcohol" and "sex is therefore rape", is meaningless without quantification. Just because some sex ed teacher tells you something, doesn't mean he knows what he is discussing. What is needed here is the definite value of consent according to law. This is the point several posters were trying to make. Deeko was just repeating stuff he was told by someone.

Having one drop of alcohol and then having sex is rape according to Deeko. But the Law sees it different. Consent is a variable that is defined differently by different judges. Each case is different and therefore is treated different. Consent is what the Judge decides it is, not what you or anyone else thinks.

But back to the original post: he is guilty of rape. Not reporting a crime is not necessarily illegal. But it is immoral.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
Well there is this girl, who my friend asked out, but she flat out rejected him. anyway last weekend there was this party at some jocks house and me and my friend were there and so was this girl. Everyone was drinking, smoking pot and just making noise, just partying i guess. i was outside the house having a smoke when my friend came upto me and told me what happened. He said she was wasted, she was basically half asleep, just plain drunk, so he took her to the washroom, where they had sex. he then said if i wanted to i could go up and have sex with her, because she will probably sleep with me too because she's a slut. What i find very disturbing is he said she wasn't very good and he doesn't know why he had a crush for her, all this time. anyway is it rape if a girl doesn't say no or not barely unconscious during the act?

There is no doubt that is rape. She said no before and your friend took advantage of the fact that she couldn't say no again. :|

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
this will be my last post on this subject because i don't feel like talking about it alot.

I won't be calling teh cops about this matter, because if the girl decides she was raped, she would have called them in the first place. Maybe she doesn't want anyone to know what happened to her???

Maybe you need to tell her what happened to her, especially if she doesn't remember (or know who did it) and you're one of two people who know about it. She's stupid, but she didn't deserve to have some troll carry her into the bathroom and F--- her on the floor.

The burden is on you now, buddy. Your character from this point on is at stake. Be a man or be a troll like your friend... what you gonna do?