Is this considered rape, my friend... *UPDATE*

[HakunaMatata]

sorry about the delayed replies, i'm using my bro's computer so i have to keep kicking of the pc so i can use it.

i want to say on my behalf i do care what has happened to jen. Its easy for you people to condemn my friends and tell me turn him in. Its quite actually hard for me to actually call the cops about this situation because he's my best friend.

Also i've decided before i do anything, i'm going to see her tommorow at school and i'm going to talk to her and try to ask her about that night, and what actions she may want to take. I'll leave the decision to her.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
sorry about the delayed replies, i'm using my bro's computer so i have to keep kicking of the pc so i can use it.

i want to say on my behalf i do care what has happened to jen. Its easy for you people to condemn my friends and tell me turn him in. Its quite actually hard for me to actually call the cops about this situation because he's my best friend.

Also i've decided before i do anything, i'm going to see her tommorow at school and i'm going to talk to her and try to ask her about that night, and what actions she may want to take. I'll leave the decision to her.

Best friends don't offer passed out women to each other to rape.

 

[Rogue]

I think that at this point, there is enough information to turn this in. I have had crimes reported to me with less evidence and turned them into a full blown case where people got charged/held responsible for their actions. He posted this information, however little information it may be, that a crime occurred and he has knowledge of it happening and he posted the information in a public forum. How is this any different than someone walking into a crowded room and shouting "Someone got raped, what do I do?" He made his knowledge of a crime available in a public forum and now action needs to be taken at some level. If the information is reported to his local authorities and they choose not to act, that's on them, but in my opinion as a law enforcement officer, this should be reported. For all anyone here knows, she did report it and it's sitting on a desk as an unsolved crime. We don't know that she didn't report it, right? Women tend to know if they had sex, no matter how out of it they were when it happened. She very well may have reported it to her local authorities and is now too embarrassed to tell anyone she did, that doesn't mean that the police are any less vigilant in looking for the perpetrator. As a law enforcement officer, this information needs reported in any capacity to his local authorities. This conversation would serve well as evidence against not only him, but his friend. Posting to a public forum like this negates his reasonable expectation to privacy in matters such as these. We only all wished that someone would have come on here and said, "My friend is going to hijack a plane and crash it into a building, is that a crime?" Puts it all into perspective, doesn't it?

 

[Azraele]

Also i've decided before i do anything, i'm going to see her tommorow at school and i'm going to talk to her and try to ask her about that night, and what actions she may want to take. I'll leave the decision to her.

Are you going to tell her what happened?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
Oh another thing i wanted to say, You guys should also take this into consideration.

Another reason i haven't called the cops is, this girl is no angel, me and my friend have known her for this last year, and she's a total bitch, just because she's attractive and a cheerleader she thinks she can act bitchy to everyone. Also when my friend asked her out, she insulted him infront of her friends and totally humiliated him. I felt sorry for my mate.

You know what, I hope your friend meets Bubba after he gets thrown in the pen for pulling this sh!t, and the fact that you're willing to cover his ass is totally BS. Like Minendo said, what if this was your sister? Try putting things in perspective, I know if this was my sister, I'd be in jail for the rest of my life for killing your friend.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: BigJ2078
You know what, I hope your friend meets Bubba after he gets thrown in the pen for pulling this sh!t, and the fact that you're willing to cover his ass is totally BS. Like Minendo said, what if this was your sister? Try putting things in perspective, I know if this was my sister, I'd be in jail for the rest of my life for killing your friend.

As would I. Hell I don't care who the girl is, you rape someone and I find out about it and can do something about it, I will.

 

[Spac3d]

Originally posted by: Rogue
I think that at this point, there is enough information to turn this in. I have had crimes reported to me with less evidence and turned them into a full blown case where people got charged/held responsible for their actions. He posted this information, however little information it may be, that a crime occurred and he has knowledge of it happening and he posted the information in a public forum. How is this any different than someone walking into a crowded room and shouting "Someone got raped, what do I do?" He made his knowledge of a crime available in a public forum and now action needs to be taken at some level. If the information is reported to his local authorities and they choose not to act, that's on them, but in my opinion as a law enforcement officer, this should be reported. For all anyone here knows, she did report it and it's sitting on a desk as an unsolved crime. We don't know that she didn't report it, right? Women tend to know if they had sex, no matter how out of it they were when it happened. She very well may have reported it to her local authorities and is now too embarrassed to tell anyone she did, that doesn't mean that the police are any less vigilant in looking for the perpetrator. As a law enforcement officer, this information needs reported in any capacity to his local authorities. This conversation would serve well as evidence against not only him, but his friend. Posting to a public forum like this negates his reasonable expectation to privacy in matters such as these. We only all wished that someone would have come on here and said, "My friend is going to hijack a plane and crash it into a building, is that a crime?" Puts it all into perspective, doesn't it?

I am not sure why HK really posted this ... it really isn't any of our business what goes on at a party. We do not have all the facts, how are you going to tell the police?

For all we know, this story is false, there was no passed out girl, the guy just wanted to say he had sex, etc.

Spac3d

 

[HakunaMatata]

Are you going to tell her what happened?

Well i'm going to first talk to her and ask if she remembers anything from that night, and then i'll take it from there, and tell her. But i'm going to leave all the decision making to her. So whatever she decides, i guess i'm fine with, but i'm still not too sure about turning my best friend in.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata

Are you going to tell her what happened?

Well i'm going to first talk to her and ask if she remembers anything from that night, and then i'll take it from there, and tell her. But i'm going to leave all the decision making to her. So whatever she decides, i guess i'm fine with, but i'm still not too sure about turning my best friend in.

Your best friend tells you that you can go have sex with a girl he just raped and you're still defending him? The mere fact that your going to talk to this girl, and that if she knows she was raped and now that you know about it and aren't doing anything, could put you and your friend away for a very long time, where you both belong.

 

[Hoober]

Would you turn your best friend in if she raped your sister?

The guy deserves to rot in hell. And you can be sure he'll take you with him if you give him half the chance.

 

[Azraele]

there was no passed out girl, the guy just wanted to say he had sex, etc.

I think it unlikely that he would have offered his friend his way with her as well if he simply wanted to say he had sex.

 

[FenrisUlf]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
sorry about the delayed replies, i'm using my bro's computer so i have to keep kicking of the pc so i can use it.

i want to say on my behalf i do care what has happened to jen. Its easy for you people to condemn my friends and tell me turn him in. Its quite actually hard for me to actually call the cops about this situation because he's my best friend.

Also i've decided before i do anything, i'm going to see her tommorow at school and i'm going to talk to her and try to ask her about that night, and what actions she may want to take. I'll leave the decision to her.

Much in your life will be determined by the kinds of people that you surround yourself with. Choose your friends wisely. It's more important to be loyal to what is right than to a friend that is wrong. He needs to learn the difference b/n right and wrong - it's your duty as a friend and a man to see that this happens.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Spac3d

Originally posted by: Rogue
I think that at this point, there is enough information to turn this in. I have had crimes reported to me with less evidence and turned them into a full blown case where people got charged/held responsible for their actions. He posted this information, however little information it may be, that a crime occurred and he has knowledge of it happening and he posted the information in a public forum. How is this any different than someone walking into a crowded room and shouting "Someone got raped, what do I do?" He made his knowledge of a crime available in a public forum and now action needs to be taken at some level. If the information is reported to his local authorities and they choose not to act, that's on them, but in my opinion as a law enforcement officer, this should be reported. For all anyone here knows, she did report it and it's sitting on a desk as an unsolved crime. We don't know that she didn't report it, right? Women tend to know if they had sex, no matter how out of it they were when it happened. She very well may have reported it to her local authorities and is now too embarrassed to tell anyone she did, that doesn't mean that the police are any less vigilant in looking for the perpetrator. As a law enforcement officer, this information needs reported in any capacity to his local authorities. This conversation would serve well as evidence against not only him, but his friend. Posting to a public forum like this negates his reasonable expectation to privacy in matters such as these. We only all wished that someone would have come on here and said, "My friend is going to hijack a plane and crash it into a building, is that a crime?" Puts it all into perspective, doesn't it?

I am not sure why HK really posted this ... it really isn't any of our business what goes on at a party. We do not have all the facts, how are you going to tell the police?

For all we know, this story is false, there was no passed out girl, the guy just wanted to say he had sex, etc.

Spac3d

"My best friend tossed a vagrant in his trunk, drove him to a secluded area, and beat him to death. But he's my best friend...and it was only some bum anyways, so I'm not going to tell the cops."

 

[Damage]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata

Are you going to tell her what happened?

Well i'm going to first talk to her and ask if she remembers anything from that night, and then i'll take it from there, and tell her. But i'm going to leave all the decision making to her. So whatever she decides, i guess i'm fine with, but i'm still not too sure about turning my best friend in.

Good idea.. Let her decide.. it's her body and her life... She may want to string the guy up, or she may not want to admit it and the embarasment of everyone knowing might be worse (in HER opinion..) I'm glad you decided to do something other than sit on it though...

Whatever happens, the burden of proof is still on her.. you'll be called as a withness, so be prepared.

 

[Rogue]

Spac3d,

The fact that "we" don't know the information is real is irrelevant. The incident should be reported to the local authorities as I stated. "We" do not know that this is not an open case just waiting for this information, now do "we"?

 

[slycat]

what rape?
sounds fine to me

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: slycat
what rape?
sounds fine to me

well then, I hope it happens to one of the females in your family

 

[Hoober]

Originally posted by: slycat
what rape?
sounds fine to me

 

[Jzero]

"My best friend tossed a vagrant in his trunk, drove him to a secluded area, and beat him to death. But he's my best friend...and it was only some bum anyways, so I'm not going to tell the cops."

I guess it's true what they say:
Friends help you move.
Best friends help you move bodies.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: slycat
what rape?
sounds fine to me

Moderators - This thread is too serious to allow trolls to post their crap. :|

 

[Deeko]

The mods have some personal information such as e-mail account and ip/service provider. IMHO, he has knowledge of a crime that was commited. It's the mod's duty to turn their info in.

....not really. I'm not saying the guy shouldn't be turned in, but just because it is posted on an internet forum doen't make it true.

Too many blanket statements about "any alcohol" and "sex is therefore rape", is meaningless without quantification. Just because some sex ed teacher tells you something, doesn't mean he knows what he is discussing. What is needed here is the definite value of consent according to law. This is the point several posters were trying to make. Deeko was just repeating stuff he was told by someone.

Having one drop of alcohol and then having sex is rape according to Deeko. But the Law sees it different. Consent is a variable that is defined differently by different judges. Each case is different and therefore is treated different. Consent is what the Judge decides it is, not what you or anyone else thinks.

Not "some sex ed teacher". This is a fvcking college professor, and that is his area of study. And did you read that law he posted? any alcohol. If it is enough to affect your judgement, it is enough. Of course a judge can call it however they want. But that doesn't change the fact that I am right.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Moderators - This thread is too serious to allow trolls to post their crap. :|

There is always going to be morons posting crap in serious threads. I just ignore them.

 

[dakata24]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
hmm, thanks for the replies, they confirm my suspicions too. I'm sure what he did was wrong, because jen looked really wasted, i doubt she could even remember what happened that night.

I don't think i'll be calling the cops, because what happens if she can't even remember the incident, i would probably end up looking like a fool then.

You are just as guilty as he is now.

and if your so called friend didnt use protection, uh.. she'll find out sooner or later.. call the cops will ya.

 

[Mrfrog840]

heh. FIRST iwould get some new friends. About calling the cops on him, i would talk to him about it, maybe have him turn himself in, because no one ever likes a rat

 

[Hoober]

Originally posted by: dakata24

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
hmm, thanks for the replies, they confirm my suspicions too. I'm sure what he did was wrong, because jen looked really wasted, i doubt she could even remember what happened that night.

I don't think i'll be calling the cops, because what happens if she can't even remember the incident, i would probably end up looking like a fool then.

You are just as guilty as he is now.

and if your so called friend didnt use protection, uh.. she'll find out sooner or later.. call the cops will ya.

This would be the most important thing that she needs to know if she doesn't remember anything from that night. I'd be concerned about her being pregnant and also because she might have easily caught something from the sound of this guy.