Is this considered rape, my friend... *UPDATE*

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Mrfrog840
heh. FIRST iwould get some new friends. About calling the cops on him, i would talk to him about it, maybe have him turn himself in, because no one ever likes a rat

But everybody loves a rapist, right?!

 

[Cougarmadcat]

Originally posted by: BigJ2078

Originally posted by: slycat
what rape?
sounds fine to me

well then, I hope it happens to one of the females in your family

Now there's a nice statement. Hope something on someone other than him for HIS words?

No. I don't hope rape on anyone. Death and destruction to those who use and abuse others for their own selfish needs and urges, yes. And maybe a touch of torture to make it that much more fun. But not rape and not anything to happen to people who have nothing to do with another person's actions.

As for this case it is very simple. If this happened then you can either be a confidant and leave it be, knowing that you let it go, or consult the girl and maybe the police. You have to make that moral choice on your own.

But kudos to you for not going and screwing the girl as well.

This "friend" knew what he was doing. The girl did not. It is rape. If it were the other way around and it was a guy sloshed and the girl doing him because of it then it would still be rape.

 

[dakata24]

Originally posted by: Hoober

Originally posted by: dakata24

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
hmm, thanks for the replies, they confirm my suspicions too. I'm sure what he did was wrong, because jen looked really wasted, i doubt she could even remember what happened that night.

I don't think i'll be calling the cops, because what happens if she can't even remember the incident, i would probably end up looking like a fool then.

You are just as guilty as he is now.

and if your so called friend didnt use protection, uh.. she'll find out sooner or later.. call the cops will ya.

This would be the most important thing that she needs to know if she doesn't remember anything from that night. I'd be concerned about her being pregnant and also because she might have easily caught something from the sound of this guy.

exactly. it wouldnt matter to me how good a friend i had, if something like that happened and you tell me. i'm calling the cops. turn this rapist in. :disgust:

and this:

What i find very disturbing is he said she wasn't very good and he doesn't know why he had a crush for her, all this time.

was the most disturbing part of your friends story???

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Cougarmadcat

Originally posted by: BigJ2078

Originally posted by: slycat
what rape?
sounds fine to me

well then, I hope it happens to one of the females in your family

Now there's a nice statement. Hope something on someone other than him for HIS words?

No. I don't hope rape on anyone. Death and destruction to those who use and abuse others for their own selfish needs and urges, yes. And maybe a touch of torture to make it that much more fun. But not rape and not anything to happen to people who have nothing to do with another person's actions.

As for this case it is very simple. If this happened then you can either be a confidant and leave it be, knowing that you let it go, or consult the girl and maybe the police. You have to make that moral choice on your own.

But kudos to you for not going and screwing the girl as well.

This "friend" knew what he was doing. The girl did not. It is rape. If it were the other way around and it was a guy sloshed and the girl doing him because of it then it would still be rape.

Well according to slycat, he really doesn't have a problem with it, not rape at all.

And the fact that he says it sounds fine is even more disgusting. So according to him, theres really no problem if this happens to one of his family members. No I don't actually wish it upon him, but I can say I've lost basically all respect for him.

 

[Cougarmadcat]

Originally posted by: Deeko

The mods have some personal information such as e-mail account and ip/service provider. IMHO, he has knowledge of a crime that was commited. It's the mod's duty to turn their info in.

....not really. I'm not saying the guy shouldn't be turned in, but just because it is posted on an internet forum doen't make it true.

Yes but we are not doing the turning in. If he says this happened, whether it is true or not, it is his concern. He did not give full information. We can say what we think. If it is true then he decides what to do from the replies given. If it is not true then he has one good thread with a lot of information regarding how everyone thinks.

 

[Deeko]

Yes but we are not doing the turning in. If he says this happened, whether it is true or not, it is his concern. He did not give full information. We can say what we think. If it is true then he decides what to do from the replies given. If it is not true then he has one good thread with a lot of information regarding how everyone thinks.

I just meant it isn't the mod's duty to turn him in

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
this will be my last post on this subject because i don't feel like talking about it alot.

I won't be calling teh cops about this matter, because if the girl decides she was raped, she would have called them in the first place. Maybe she doesn't want anyone to know what happened to her???

Maybe you need to tell her what happened to her, especially if she doesn't remember (or know who did it) and you're one of two people who know about it. She's stupid, but she didn't deserve to have some troll carry her into the bathroom and F--- her on the floor.

The burden is on you now, buddy. Your character from this point on is at stake. Be a man or be a troll like your friend... what you gonna do?

Yes, burden is on you now just like Stark said. You know for fact there is a possibility that a serious crime was committed (at least based on your statements).
I know it is difficult to get involved but you need ask this question...if that girl was your sister, what would you do? Most likely get involved and call the police.
So what is the difference here? Regardless whether she is b!tch or slut, she does NOT deserved to be raped, it is a heinous crime, and NOBODY deserves a rape.

You need to approach her and talk about it, if she doesn't know what happened, it is your civic duty to inform her of what your ahole friends told you.
Whether you like it or not, you ARE already involved. Let her and her family have an opportunity to press charges, right now you are denying them of taking action.

What if your inaction causes another rape...How would you feel then? He did it once, and he could do it again, and if he does again, I don't know how you could live with yourself.

YOU NEED TO LET HER KNOW WHAT HAPPENED...NOW!!!

 

[Spac3d]

Originally posted by: Rogue
Spac3d,

The fact that "we" don't know the information is real is irrelevant. The incident should be reported to the local authorities as I stated. "We" do not know that this is not an open case just waiting for this information, now do "we"?

We don't even know if it actually happened.

That is all I am saying. We are talking about high school students (from what I have read)... as if high school students never made something up

Spac3d

 

[Cougarmadcat]

Originally posted by: BigJ2078

Well according to slycat, he really doesn't have a problem with it, not rape at all.

And the fact that he says it sounds fine is even more disgusting. So according to him, theres really no problem if this happens to one of his family members. No I don't actually wish it upon him, but I can say I've lost basically all respect for him.

I give you that. But I still don't comment against anyone except for him. Imps of the Peverse may be listening

Actually, one thing which does bother me is when people use a family reference against someone for what they do. I prefer that people respond towards each other and leave out anyone not involved.

Just my little hackle reaction. However, I really do understand how you feel about what was said, BigJ.

 

[KeyserSoze]

This is my only comment on this situation.

How many people here have done something stupid/they regret when they were drunk? Wether hit on a girl, say something stupid, or puke all over a girl. (Not me )

What I'm saying is, IF the girl has put her self in that position, then it's not automatically rape. I'm not a bastard, I respect girls, I have TWO older sisters, so don't give me that whole circle. I HATE, HATE, HATE how girls are automatically given the benefit of the doubt. If a girl was drunk, and has a dude back at her place, and can't remember what she wanted the night before, IT'S NOT RAPE!!!!!

As far as this situation, yeah your friend is a bastard, but we don't really know how trashed she was. My guess would be that she WAS drunk, and she DID want it. And IF she did, then it's not rape.





KeyserSoze

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Spac3d

Originally posted by: Rogue
Spac3d,

The fact that "we" don't know the information is real is irrelevant. The incident should be reported to the local authorities as I stated. "We" do not know that this is not an open case just waiting for this information, now do "we"?

We don't even know if it actually happened.

That is all I am saying. We are talking about high school students (from what I have read)... as if high school students never made something up

Spac3d

Because you aren't sure if he's telling the truth, it shouldn't be reported?

 

[Deeko]

What I'm saying is, IF the girl has put her self in that position, then it's not automatically rape. I'm not a bastard, I respect girls, I have TWO older sisters, so don't give me that whole circle. I HATE, HATE, HATE how girls are automatically given the benefit of the doubt. If a girl was drunk, and has a dude back at her place, and can't remember what she wanted the night before, IT'S NOT RAPE!!!!!

As far as this situation, yeah your friend is a bastard, but we don't really know how trashed she was. My guess would be that she WAS drunk, and she DID want it. And IF she did, then it's not rape.

Yea but the law is the law

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: KeyserSoze
This is my only comment on this situation.

How many people here have done something stupid/they regret when they were drunk? Wether hit on a girl, say something stupid, or puke all over a girl. (Not me )

What I'm saying is, IF the girl has put her self in that position, then it's not automatically rape. I'm not a bastard, I respect girls, I have TWO older sisters, so don't give me that whole circle. I HATE, HATE, HATE how girls are automatically given the benefit of the doubt. If a girl was drunk, and has a dude back at her place, and can't remember what she wanted the night before, IT'S NOT RAPE!!!!!

As far as this situation, yeah your friend is a bastard, but we don't really know how trashed she was. My guess would be that she WAS drunk, and she DID want it. And IF she did, then it's not rape.





KeyserSoze

Quote:

He said she was wasted, she was basically half asleep, just plain drunk, so he took her to the washroom, where they had sex. he then said if i wanted to i could go up and have sex with her, because she will probably sleep with me too because she's a slut.

 

[Cougarmadcat]

Deeko - True. Not ours or the Mod's duty. You are definately correct.

Spac3d - True or not, it was a question asked. You answer the way you feel is correct. Giving a person advice does not always mean that what was asked in the first place was true, whether on the net or real life. You just make your own decision according to what you believe.

 

[Azraele]

she was basically half asleep

This is the part that concerns me.

 

[polm]

Sounds like they were BOTH drunk. Maybe her a little more than him, but just becasue he runs downstairs to invite you up for a sloppyt second, does not mean that he was any less drunk. Hell..it probably proves how drunk the guy really was !

either way, if after confronting the girl, you find out that it WAS indeed a rape you better call the cops. I don't care if she tells you not to. She may be too embarrased to say anything and by the time she is ready it may be too late.

Be careful with this one. Remember INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY . (by a court of law, not ATOT)

 

[Cougarmadcat]

Originally posted by: KeyserSoze
This is my only comment on this situation.

How many people here have done something stupid/they regret when they were drunk? Wether hit on a girl, say something stupid, or puke all over a girl. (Not me )

What I'm saying is, IF the girl has put her self in that position, then it's not automatically rape. I'm not a bastard, I respect girls, I have TWO older sisters, so don't give me that whole circle. I HATE, HATE, HATE how girls are automatically given the benefit of the doubt. If a girl was drunk, and has a dude back at her place, and can't remember what she wanted the night before, IT'S NOT RAPE!!!!!

As far as this situation, yeah your friend is a bastard, but we don't really know how trashed she was. My guess would be that she WAS drunk, and she DID want it. And IF she did, then it's not rape.
KeyserSoze

Just because she "put herself in that position" does not make what he did right. He knew what he was doing. He knew she couldn't stop him. No asking, no refusal. Easy.

The thing is that he took advantage of the situation. It is not her fault. She did not ask for it. He did it and should be responsible for his actions. If she is now pregnant then she will be responsible to make other choices for her actions.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: Deeko

The mods have some personal information such as e-mail account and ip/service provider. IMHO, he has knowledge of a crime that was commited. It's the mod's duty to turn their info in.

....not really. I'm not saying the guy shouldn't be turned in, but just because it is posted on an internet forum doen't make it true.

Too many blanket statements about "any alcohol" and "sex is therefore rape", is meaningless without quantification. Just because some sex ed teacher tells you something, doesn't mean he knows what he is discussing. What is needed here is the definite value of consent according to law. This is the point several posters were trying to make. Deeko was just repeating stuff he was told by someone.

Having one drop of alcohol and then having sex is rape according to Deeko. But the Law sees it different. Consent is a variable that is defined differently by different judges. Each case is different and therefore is treated different. Consent is what the Judge decides it is, not what you or anyone else thinks.

Not "some sex ed teacher". This is a fvcking college professor, and that is his area of study. And did you read that law he posted? any alcohol. If it is enough to affect your judgement, it is enough. Of course a judge can call it however they want. But that doesn't change the fact that I am right.

You stated earlier he is a sex ed teacher. Make up your mind.

What law did he post? I didn't see any law posted by your teacher. Besides, you are still wrong. Let us know when you graduate Law School. Until that happens I suggest you actually look up the case law and the decisions that were handed down.

Seriously, you are looking very stupid by constantly repeating second hand info not based on any facts.

What's next? A girl walked by a bar and smelled alcohol. She picks up some guy and has sex. Was she raped, Deeko? According to your warped logic, the answer is yes, because she was under the influence of alcohol.

It has already been stated that he raped this woman.

What you are saying is just getting sillier and sillier.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: Sukhoi
The mods can do something. They know is IP. They know his ISP. They most likely know what city he lives in. They can contact the police there.

Do they have any names?

 

[bmacd]

why was this thread unlocked?

-=bmacd=-

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Sukhoi
The mods can do something. They know is IP. They know his ISP. They most likely know what city he lives in. They can contact the police there.

Do they have any names?

They have an email address. They can forward that to the authorities, thereby putting them in direct contact with him.

But, IMO, it's not their responsibility. It's Hakuna's.

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: bmacd
why was this thread unlocked?

-=bmacd=-

Was it ever locked?

 

[bmacd]

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: bmacd
why was this thread unlocked?

-=bmacd=-

Was it ever locked?

yup

-=bmacd=-

 

[ScottyB]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: Zombie
yeh. Rape unless he was just as wasted as her.

Still rape. Hell his "friend" even offered her to him.

Why isn't it her raping him, if they were at the same level of intoxication?

 

[Vette73]

I think what he did was wrong, BUT I bet this is not the first time this has happened to her. I am in college, senior, and a lot of girls think this is OK. You don't know how hard it is to find a girl that has not got drunk, smoked pot, etc.. and just sleep with a guy and then didn't think anything about it. My school(UNCW) and ECU have some of the slezziest girls around. I actually would like to find a girl I could spend time with, but non at UNCW, the slut school.

So was he wrong, YES, but I be willing to bet he has had other woman let him do this so it is like a norm now.


Don't do drugs and expect everybody to act nice. Where there are drugs there are going to be low lifes. So don't put yourself in that situition, period.