Is this considered rape, my friend... *UPDATE*

[Azraele]

Why isn't it her raping him, if they were at the same level of intoxication?

From what I understand she was "half asleep" or in a semi conscious state, which would make her raping him difficult.

Listening to what 's been said, it sounds like he wasn't as drunk as she was.

 

[Cougarmadcat]

Originally posted by: Azraele

Why isn't it her raping him, if they were at the same level of intoxication?

From what I understand she was "half asleep" or in a semi conscious state, which would make her raping him difficult.

Listening to what 's been said, it sounds like he wasn't as drunk as she was.

Stimulation makes the body react. Simple as that.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: ScottyB
Why isn't it her raping him, if they were at the same level of intoxication?

Read the entire thread. As stated by HakunaMatata, his friend was no where near as drunk as she.

 

[bleeb]

Originally posted by: minendo
He raped her. Find some new friends.

RAPIST.

 

[Mday]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
Well there is this girl, who my friend asked out, but she flat out rejected him. anyway last weekend there was this party at some jocks house and me and my friend were there and so was this girl. Everyone was drinking, smoking pot and just making noise, just partying i guess. i was outside the house having a smoke when my friend came upto me and told me what happened. He said she was wasted, she was basically half asleep, just plain drunk, so he took her to the washroom, where they had sex. he then said if i wanted to i could go up and have sex with her, because she will probably sleep with me too because she's a slut. What i find very disturbing is he said she wasn't very good and he doesn't know why he had a crush for her, all this time. anyway is it rape if a girl doesn't say no or not barely unconscious during the act?

yes it is considered rape. and your friend actually raped this girl.

 

[ScottyB]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: ScottyB
Why isn't it her raping him, if they were at the same level of intoxication?

Read the entire thread. As stated by HakunaMatata, his friend was no where near as drunk as she.

I was speaking in general, not about this particular case.

Edit: like in HS, some cops came to tell us about drinking and rape and etc and they basically told us it is always the man's fault even if he he is more intoxicated.

 

[Azraele]

I was speaking in general, not about this particular case

I;'m not sure why or how that relates to the topic...

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Azraele

I was speaking in general, not about this particular case

I;'m not sure why or how that relates to the topic...

Just someone else who feels the urge to post.

 

[Shantanu]

You've got some fvcked up friends.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
Oh another thing i wanted to say, You guys should also take this into consideration. Another reason i haven't called the cops is, this girl is no angel, me and my friend have known her for this last year, and she's a total bitch, just because she's attractive and a cheerleader she thinks she can act bitchy to everyone. Also when my friend asked her out, she insulted him infront of her friends and totally humiliated him. I felt sorry for my mate.

bitch or not, rape is rape. whether or not she consented is the issue. even bitches who embarrass friends don't deserve to get raped.

 

[HakunaMatata]

YOU NEED TO LET HER KNOW WHAT HAPPENED...NOW!!!

Well thats abit tough to do right now, since i'm not even in school, and i haven't seen her. I don't even have her phone #, not like i would talk something about his on the phone though.

But one of my friends Troy is having a party and she hangs out with his group of friends so she might be at that party. I'm going tonight with my friend, if i see her there i'll approach her. Right now i only have knowledge of my friends side of this situation, i'm really really eager to find out what she has to say.

 

[LeStEr]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
You should have beaten him within an inch of his life.

And then called the cops.

Viper GTS

 

[amnesiac]

ANyone who said it's not rape is unaware of the current statutes regarding the crime.

If the girl is at any state below total sobriety, she can claim rape and win in court. That is the law, whether you like it or not.

A girl can have one drink and screw a guy then say he raped her. The guy has no defense.

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata

YOU NEED TO LET HER KNOW WHAT HAPPENED...NOW!!!

Well thats abit tough to do right now, since i'm not even in school, and i haven't seen her. I don't even have her phone #, not like i would talk something about his on the phone though.

But one of my friends Troy is having a party and she hangs out with his group of friends so she might be at that party. I'm going tonight with my friend, if i see her there i'll approach her. Right now i only have knowledge of my friends side of this situation, i'm really really eager to find out what she has to say.

yeah. as are we all.

 

[0roo0roo]

depends what he meant by half asleep half drunk. wasted isn't unconscious. if she was half drunk it wasn't date rape, it was bad judgement. if she was unconscious.. well duh.

i'm not that sympathetic to girls to get wasted at parties opening themselves up to such things. they bear half the responsibility.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Deeko

The mods have some personal information such as e-mail account and ip/service provider. IMHO, he has knowledge of a crime that was commited. It's the mod's duty to turn their info in.

....not really. I'm not saying the guy shouldn't be turned in, but just because it is posted on an internet forum doen't make it true.

Too many blanket statements about "any alcohol" and "sex is therefore rape", is meaningless without quantification. Just because some sex ed teacher tells you something, doesn't mean he knows what he is discussing. What is needed here is the definite value of consent according to law. This is the point several posters were trying to make. Deeko was just repeating stuff he was told by someone.

Having one drop of alcohol and then having sex is rape according to Deeko. But the Law sees it different. Consent is a variable that is defined differently by different judges. Each case is different and therefore is treated different. Consent is what the Judge decides it is, not what you or anyone else thinks.

Not "some sex ed teacher". This is a fvcking college professor, and that is his area of study. And did you read that law he posted? any alcohol. If it is enough to affect your judgement, it is enough. Of course a judge can call it however they want. But that doesn't change the fact that I am right.

There you go again with that any alcohol crap. This is not what was said in the law that was posted and it's not the way it works.

I think you have some personal agenda against sex or alcohol.

 

[imported_Papi]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
Well there is this girl, who my friend asked out, but she flat out rejected him. anyway last weekend there was this party at some jocks house and me and my friend were there and so was this girl. Everyone was drinking, smoking pot and just making noise, just partying i guess. i was outside the house having a smoke when my friend came upto me and told me what happened. He said she was wasted, she was basically half asleep, just plain drunk, so he took her to the washroom, where they had sex. he then said if i wanted to i could go up and have sex with her, because she will probably sleep with me too because she's a slut. What i find very disturbing is he said she wasn't very good and he doesn't know why he had a crush for her, all this time. anyway is it rape if a girl doesn't say no or not barely unconscious during the act?

one word for you my friend

asstard. Meaning you.

 

[Draknor]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Deeko
[q[Not "some sex ed teacher". This is a fvcking college professor, and that is his area of study. And did you read that law he posted? any alcohol. If it is enough to affect your judgement, it is enough. Of course a judge can call it however they want. But that doesn't change the fact that I am right.

There you go again with that any alcohol crap. This is not what was said in the law that was posted and it's not the way it works.

I think you have some personal agenda against sex or alcohol.

I think you are missing the point... amnesiac's post is dead-on:

ANyone who said it's not rape is unaware of the current statutes regarding the crime.

If the girl is at any state below total sobriety, she can claim rape and win in court. That is the law, whether you like it or not.

A girl can have one drink and screw a guy then say he raped her. The guy has no defense.

So yes, if a woman has even one drink and has sex, she can claim rape. Is she drunk? No. But if she claims the sex was not consentual and that she was under the influence of alcohol, the precedent is that situation is rape. Was it really rape? No. But in a situation like that, it's the man's word against the woman's, and the woman's word will most often win. That's just the way it is. It's not fair, but that's how it is.

A man can claim rape, also - it does happen, but I heard that very few ever report it because of the extreme shame & humiliation that men feel - even moreso than women. Not sure why, but I'm betting it has to do with ego & pride.

 

[LordMaul]

ANYTIME alcohol is involved, be she conscious or not, it is STILL rape.

Sure, pal. So if two 25-year-old people get a bit tipsy and have a go, the girl has perfect right to squeal "RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPEE!!" when she decides it was a bad idea. Or at least, that's the idea you're conveying.

 

[Jmman]

Well, impaired is difficult to define and will vary from court to court, but here in Colorado you can receive a driving ticket for being impaired if your BAC is .05, or the equivalent to 2 drinks!!


Let's say you pick up a girl in a bar who is smoking hot and has had a few drinks, and you take her home and you have sex; she very well could come back and accuse you of rape because an impaired person according to the law does not have the ability to give consent......

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: LordMaul
ANYTIME alcohol is involved, be she conscious or not, it is STILL rape.

Sure, pal. So if two 25-year-old people get a bit tipsy and have a go, the girl has perfect right to squeal "RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPEE!!" when she decides it was a bad idea. Or at least, that's the idea you're conveying.

I'm sure that's happened, be it right or not.

 

[Hoober]

Originally posted by: LordMaul
ANYTIME alcohol is involved, be she conscious or not, it is STILL rape.

Sure, pal. So if two 25-year-old people get a bit tipsy and have a go, the girl has perfect right to squeal "RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPEE!!" when she decides it was a bad idea. Or at least, that's the idea you're conveying.

And in a court of law, Maul, the jury would side with her.

 

[0roo0roo]

in other words women are inferior and need to be protected.


sweet double standards.

 

[Hoober]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
in other words women are inferior and need to be protected.


sweet double standards.

Woah... when did they become inferior?

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Women are physically inferior... but that has nothing to do with the case. She was more drunk than the guy apparently so it's obvious that he took advantage of her.