I can't for the life of me imagine why anyone would want combined annual leave and sick leave.
Annual leave is so I can have a break from work, recuperate, refresh, lounge around, etc at my leisure.
Sick leave is for when I'm sick. Being sick is usually pretty shit, regardless of the fact that I'm not at work.
from the company perspective, keeping them separate just encourages people to lie to misuse sick time. if its all one big pool, this becomes a non-issue.
my last two positions have had just one pool of PTO. keeps it very simple... if you are at work you get paid, if you are not, you dont. no doctors notes, no stretching the truth and simpler accounting too.
Maybe other work places are more strict. With my supervisor, if I need a day off to do something, I just fill out a leave request form through our web interface and just send him a courtesy email. If I have a doc appointment or a family member does (or if I'm sick), I do the same thing. In my mind, leave is leave. You might be using it for different reasons but an hour is equal to an hour.
from the company perspective, keeping them separate just encourages people to lie to misuse sick time. if its all one big pool, this becomes a non-issue.
my last two positions have had just one pool of PTO. keeps it very simple... if you are at work you get paid, if you are not, you dont. no doctors notes, no stretching the truth and simpler accounting too.
No, an hour is not equal to an hour.
Is relaxing on a beach for an hour equal to suffering with agony of a broken leg for an hour?
1 hour = 60 minutes.
60 minutes = 3600 seconds
3600 seconds = 3600000 milliseconds
3600000 milliseconds = 3600 seconds
3600 seconds = 60 minutes
60 minutes = 1 hour.
Try answering the question:
Is relaxing on a beach for an hour equal to suffering with agony of a broken leg for an hour?
Try answering the question:
Is relaxing on a beach for an hour equal to suffering with agony of a broken leg for an hour?
Yes, they are both 60 minute long experiences.
Yep, tonnes of people here use sick days as just more vacation days. It's stupid.
Of course I've only used one sick day in my ten years here, so no wonder I feel that way.
KT
This is complete madness.
I find having two separate systems is very simple too:
When I want to take annual leave, I book it and have that time off.
If I am ill, I will ring in sick.
What is complicated about that?
It's startling how people don't seem to understand what the purpose of annual leave is.
So given the choice of an hour relaxing on a beach, or an hour of agony, are you telling me that you wouldn't be able to make a choice between them?
On the flip side, if a company is going to give you "x" number of days off a year, but certain ones don't carry over while others do, they shouldn't be surprised if you use up every single one of the days in a year you would otherwise lose. In every job I've had, vacation time carries over, sick time doesn't. Don't use your 12 days of sick time? Well they're gone.
If you don't want me to use the time off, don't offer it.
or...
if you want to take a vacation, you book it and use pto for the time off.
if you are sick, you ring in sick and use pto.
what is complicated about THAT?
Yes I would, but that wasn't the question.
This is what the question was:
Is relaxing on a beach for an hour equal to suffering with agony of a broken leg for an hour?
If you're able to make a choice between them, then it clearly means they aren't equal.
I can make a choice as to what I would prefer to be doing, but as far as the time off is concerned, there is no difference.
I never said it was complicated.
But that means if I'm sick, I can't take as much annual leave.
Why would anyone want that kind of system?
what are you talking about?
10 vacation days + 5 sick days = 15 days off
15 pto days = 15 days off
with pto you can be sick 2 days and take 13 other days off to do whatever you want. in scenario 1, you can only take 10 vacation days.
really hope you are trolling.
It's offered only as time off if you are ill, so you do not need to use a vacation day to recover. No way they should roll over and I people shouldn't abuse them either, but they do because everyone thinks they deserve to drain every single free minute they can out of the company (like me, right now, as I respond to your post...though I work late and on weekends to make up this time).
If it was up to me they would eliminate the actual number of sick days. If they were gone, I know many people would not be off as much as they currently are.
KT
With your method, I can be sick for 15 days and have jack shit in terms of annual leave.
Overworking people destroys productivity. I think businesses would see productivity skyrocket if they started offering more time off. Look at Germany; they get scads of vacation time, work shorter days than the average American, but their productivity is through the roof when they're actually working. Meanwhile in America, we have 40-hour+ workweeks, 40% of people don't get paid time off, and studies have shown that office workers spend an average of 25% of their time fucking around rather than working productively. The human brain doesn't function well if it gets overworked or overstressed and ends up producing inferior results.
Bottom line: it's good to take a break. And it's good to take breaks a hell of a lot more frequently than American businesses want to admit.
correct.
and what happens in the first scenario if you are sick 15 days but only have 5 sick days?
correct.
and what happens in the first scenario if you are sick 15 days but only have 5 sick days?
I'm not sure why that matters.
Why would you want a system whereby you might not even get any annual leave for the year?
And how would you even work it properly? Sickness has a habit of hitting suddenly, without any warning so you can't account for it.
Hey, I would love to have four day work weeks and give everyone more time off, unfortunately the demands are such that it is not a viable option to do so. Having people abuse sick leave in our current environment, only places the stress on others since they have to pick up the slack while some jackass is at home watching TV.