Is this firing justified?

[Onita]

Lie to your employer to get time off, get caught, get fired. Perfectly justified.

Where did he lie?

 

[KeithTalent]

First, I think sick leave for stress is stupid and should have never happened in the first place. But since the company granted it, they shouldn't have fired him. They gave him the leave to do it even if the reason for it was stupid... that's their own fault.

In my mind if you're getting stressed enough at work that you can't by physically present then you aren't cut out for the job... period. "Ability to handle stress" should be a valid work requirement and if you don't meet the requirements then you can't do the job, and that means they should be able to find somebody who CAN handle that amount of stress.

Yep, agree 100%.

KT

 

[DAGTA]

The charity is an idiot to miss out on this.

"Our employees wrestle sharks! Donate now"

 

[Gooberlx2]

First, I think sick leave for stress is stupid and should have never happened in the first place. But since the company granted it, they shouldn't have fired him. They gave him the leave to do it even if the reason for it was stupid... that's their own fault.

Agreed. If the company grants sick leave for stress then they have no business bitching about the employee's doctor approved method of stress relief.

 

[her209]

No jokes about Bulcock Beach?

 

[Veliko]

First, I think sick leave for stress is stupid and should have never happened in the first place. But since the company granted it, they shouldn't have fired him. They gave him the leave to do it even if the reason for it was stupid... that's their own fault.

In my mind if you're getting stressed enough at work that you can't by physically present then you aren't cut out for the job... period. "Ability to handle stress" should be a valid work requirement and if you don't meet the requirements then you can't do the job, and that means they should be able to find somebody who CAN handle that amount of stress.

Internet experts, eh?

Thank Christ you aren't in charge of anything more complicated than paperclips.

 

[Veliko]

I would not expect someone on sick leave to be wrestling sharks, no.

So presumably you expect everyone who isn't on sick leave to go around wrestling sharks...?

How many times have you done it this week so far?

this isn't sick leave, it's a vacation.

From the article:

Our doctor advised us to go on holiday so we travelled to stay with friends in Australia.

 

[Ns1]

So presumably you expect everyone who isn't on sick leave to go around wrestling sharks...?

No, that is not what I said. Nice try though.

if guy was truly stressed the fuck out and on sick leave he should have stayed home and masturbated like the rest of us until he was ready to go back to work.

ggpo thread

 

[Veliko]

No, that is not what I said. Nice try though.

planning a vacation is stressful as fuck. sure it's fun, but it causes stress.

if guy was truly stressed the fuck out and on sick leave he should have stayed home and masturbated like the rest of us until he was ready to go back to work.

Who said he did the planning?

You sound irrationally bitter about someone going on holiday.

Perhaps work is stressing you out.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

sounds like he misled or lied to his employers. i can see why they wouldnt want a guy working them that they cant trust. looks legit to me.

 

[Veliko]

sounds like he misled or lied to his employers. i can see why they wouldnt want a guy working them that they cant trust. looks legit to me.

What part of the story leads you to think he misled them or lied to them?

 

[Pantoot]

Perhaps the charity should be praised for curing him.

 

[gorcorps]

Internet experts, eh?

Thank Christ you aren't in charge of anything more complicated than paperclips.

Hah, that's adorable :wub:

I'll bet your asshole puckers up every time somebody wants you to make a decision too. That's the only reason I can see for why you get so bent out of shape when somebody says being able to handle stress should be a work requirement. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen, as they say.

 

[Rifter]

You guys are hilarious.

Guys goes on stress leave, doctor tells him to go on vacation, he does, happens to save some kids from a shark.

And gets canned.

I would say for sure 100% this was not justified.

 

[Lifted]

That's the only reason I can see for why you get so bent out of shape when somebody says being able to handle stress should be a work requirement. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen, as they say.

Did the article state it was work related stress? Are you also against short term disability? Long term disability?

 

[gorcorps]

Did the article state it was work related stress? Are you also against short term disability? Long term disability?

Starting at the 7th word in the OP is the phrase "work related stress"

Five paragraphs in you see:

Mr Marshallsea and his wife Wendy, 56, were on extended sick leave for work-related stress from the charity they had worked 10 years for.

And if you can't tell the difference between a physical injury and stress, nothing I say will help you understand it. I don't even think Evel Kenivel could make that jump.

 

[DrPizza]

Weird that he would go to the doctor, "take some time off" and suddenly, tickets to Australia are arranged, etc.

I'd think that a trip like that would require some time in advance to book.

 

[dbk]

The writing is on the wall...

 

[aj654987]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-21753342

If he's on sick leave for work related stress, what would they want him to do, stay at home and don't go out?

did you see his vacation photos? He didnt seem very stressed and he was on leave for more than a month. Of course its a legit firing.

people need to be held accountable for their actions

 

[TechAZ]

The guy can't handle work related stress but runs and jumps into an ocean to drag a shark away from kids while on "sick leave" for a month? Something seems off.

Just because someone can't handle stress at work doesn't mean they should be guaranteed a job just because a doctor says it's a real problem. A doctor will say anything, they have no obligation to anyone else's organization/business to be real with the patient when it comes to non physical issues.

I would fire someone too if they did that. I want someone who can handle the job they are tasked to do, he's not an engineer for NASA, not a neuro surgeon, not infantry in the military....he's working at the Boys and Girls Club.

 

[PowerEngineer]

Mr Marshallsea and his wife Wendy, 56, were on extended sick leave for work-related stress from the charity they had worked 10 years for.

Both of them claimed stress disability? Really?

Something tells me that there's more to this story than reported in this article. I would not be surprised to learn that they had made claims about how their stress had limited their abilities in ways that are inconsistent with their decision to fly halfway around the world for a vacation.

The charity's former project co-ordinator, said: "If I hadn't gone in to save the kids on that beach that day my wife and I would still have a job."

I take this to say that both he and his wife were fired, which suggests it was using sick leave to go on a vacation to Australia that was the real cause. His "shark wrestling" just put the public spotlight on where they were.

Our doctor advised us to go on holiday so we travelled to stay with friends in Australia.

Why do I suspect that the doctor meant something more like a weekend trip to the beach?

 

[Veliko]

The guy can't handle work related stress but runs and jumps into an ocean to drag a shark away from kids while on "sick leave" for a month? Something seems off.

So presumably if he had just stood there whilst a shark attacked these kids, you would think that that is normal...?

Just because someone can't handle stress at work doesn't mean they should be guaranteed a job just because a doctor says it's a real problem. A doctor will say anything, they have no obligation to anyone else's organization/business to be real with the patient when it comes to non physical issues.

No-one has said anything about anyone being guaranteed a job.

Mostly, it seems that people on the Internet will say anything as they have no qualms about making snap judgements about things they're aren't qualified to comment on.

I would fire someone too if they did that. I want someone who can handle the job they are tasked to do, he's not an engineer for NASA, not a neuro surgeon, not infantry in the military....he's working at the Boys and Girls Club.

You would fire someone because they had the temerity to react positively to a shark approaching some kids...?

He'd been there for ten years, so I'd say he can handle the job.

 

[Veliko]

I'll bet your asshole puckers up every time somebody wants you to make a decision too.

Eh?

That's the only reason I can see for why you get so bent out of shape when somebody says being able to handle stress should be a work requirement. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen, as they say.

He'd been there for ten years, so I'd say that he was capable of handling the usual stresses that the job entails.

 

[TallBill]

I'm all for employers having the right to fire without reason. So yes, justified.

 

[Veliko]

did you see his vacation photos? He didnt seem very stressed and he was on leave for more than a month. Of course its a legit firing.

Just out of interest, what do you think that a person suffering from stress should look like when on holiday?