Is this illegal?

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Dumbass, you fail at linking. Your link didn't even detail the tragedy of his death. You should have posted this one - http://www.columbiaspectator.com/node/30254.

You still haven't posted a link about a male being assaulted/mugged/raped while jogging.

edit - fwiw an ex-gf of mine graduated from Columbia. She never felt the need to carry a gun nor fear for her life.

The others are security alerts and don't make it into the papers. Furthermore, I see no reason talking to you further if you cannot comprehend the violent nature of the area around Columbia. You are an arrogant and ignorant piece of human shit. I'm sure your parents wished they wore a condom that terrible night. Then you would've been thrown out like the garbage you turned out to be.

Wow, you have, beyond doubt, proven that you, sir, are the idiot. Capt obviously hit a nerve, and if you're ready to unload like this on an Internet message board I hope to never get to handle a concealed weapon. I've been to Columbia, too, to visit friends who went to school there. Not one of them got raped/mugged/stabbed, nor felt the need to carry. Something seems like shens if you're so concerned you need to carry a firearm while jogging. Get a treadmill.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I am in Afghanistan and i'm not that scared, if you're scared enough to have to carry in your own damn neighbourhood, something is seriously fucked up.

It has absolutely nothing whatsoever with being scared. At least for me.

I carry a firearm for the same reason that I wear a seat belt and have a fire extinguisher in my house. In the event that something incredibly unlikely happens, I want to do what I can to tilt the odds in my favor. It's that simple.

ZV

You cannot be serious? You carry a gun for safety an not because you are scared?

If i ever felt the need to carry a gun, i'd fucking move, i have NEVER felt that need, not once, not walking alone through Sheffield from the pub, not even felt any worries when my daughter walked home late (2300).

If you don't get what the difference of function and purpose between a firearm and a seatbelt or a fire extinguisher is then please stay away from people forever.

The purpose of a firearm is to provide a means for a weaker individual to resist a stronger one. It is an item of last resort, but it remains capable of tipping the odds in the favor of the person who carries it.

Just like a firearm, a seatbelt or a fire extinguisher provide an emergency option in situations that one hopes do not come up. I am not scared of getting into an accident, but I wear a seat belt to increase my odds of survival in the unlikely even that one may happen. I am not scared of my grill catching fire, but I have a fire extinguisher nearby to increase my own odds if a fire should begin to spread. Likewise, I am not scared of being attacked, but I carry because it seems foolish not to take advantage of that option when it is available and can only help.

Properly handled, a firearm does nothing but improve my odds if a very unlikely thing happened. Neither I, nor others, incur additional risk from carrying a firearm, and I increase my odds of surviving in the event of an attack, even though I do not "fear" an attack as it is statistically unlikely. It's a simple matter of understanding the odds. The upside potential of carrying a firearm is indeed small, but the downside potential is smaller still. On the balance, there is benefit to it even when there is no fear of an incident occurring.

ZV

Christ, indoctrinated much? I think you just recited all of the bullshit slogans ever made without actually giving your OWN opinion, i don't even think you have one, it's just all these hundreds of BS slogans.

And they are all equally stupid.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I am in Afghanistan and i'm not that scared, if you're scared enough to have to carry in your own damn neighbourhood, something is seriously fucked up.

It has absolutely nothing whatsoever with being scared. At least for me.

I carry a firearm for the same reason that I wear a seat belt and have a fire extinguisher in my house. In the event that something incredibly unlikely happens, I want to do what I can to tilt the odds in my favor. It's that simple.

ZV

You cannot be serious? You carry a gun for safety an not because you are scared?

If i ever felt the need to carry a gun, i'd fucking move, i have NEVER felt that need, not once, not walking alone through Sheffield from the pub, not even felt any worries when my daughter walked home late (2300).

If you don't get what the difference of function and purpose between a firearm and a seatbelt or a fire extinguisher is then please stay away from people forever.

The purpose of a firearm is to provide a means for a weaker individual to resist a stronger one. It is an item of last resort, but it remains capable of tipping the odds in the favor of the person who carries it.

Just like a firearm, a seatbelt or a fire extinguisher provide an emergency option in situations that one hopes do not come up. I am not scared of getting into an accident, but I wear a seat belt to increase my odds of survival in the unlikely even that one may happen. I am not scared of my grill catching fire, but I have a fire extinguisher nearby to increase my own odds if a fire should begin to spread. Likewise, I am not scared of being attacked, but I carry because it seems foolish not to take advantage of that option when it is available and can only help.

Properly handled, a firearm does nothing but improve my odds if a very unlikely thing happened. I incur no additional risk from carrying a firearm, and I increase my odds of surviving in the event of an attack, even though I do not "fear" an attack as it is statistically unlikely. It's a simple matter of understanding the odds. The upside potential of carrying a firearm is indeed small, but the downside potential is smaller still. On the balance, there is benefit to it even when there is no fear of an incident occurring.

ZV

He's British. They have a trillion security cameras and the criminals keep attacking. They think a camera will deter a criminal when a gun works so much better.

Echelon, Carnivore, Patriot Act, general surveillance, indefinently isolating people even from your own nation, without even so much as a stated suspicion to any court....

Yeah, us Brits are truly in the shitter, if we would follow your lead, fortunantly the Tories will follow and unlike the horse salesmen that got along with yeeehaw Geeorge and his gang of twats, these are actually people who have ideas, you'll follow suit in ten years, as usual.

Besides, i'm in Afghanistan.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I am in Afghanistan and i'm not that scared, if you're scared enough to have to carry in your own damn neighbourhood, something is seriously fucked up.

It has absolutely nothing whatsoever with being scared. At least for me.

I carry a firearm for the same reason that I wear a seat belt and have a fire extinguisher in my house. In the event that something incredibly unlikely happens, I want to do what I can to tilt the odds in my favor. It's that simple.

ZV

You cannot be serious? You carry a gun for safety an not because you are scared?

If i ever felt the need to carry a gun, i'd fucking move, i have NEVER felt that need, not once, not walking alone through Sheffield from the pub, not even felt any worries when my daughter walked home late (2300).

If you don't get what the difference of function and purpose between a firearm and a seatbelt or a fire extinguisher is then please stay away from people forever.

The purpose of a firearm is to provide a means for a weaker individual to resist a stronger one. It is an item of last resort, but it remains capable of tipping the odds in the favor of the person who carries it.

Just like a firearm, a seatbelt or a fire extinguisher provide an emergency option in situations that one hopes do not come up. I am not scared of getting into an accident, but I wear a seat belt to increase my odds of survival in the unlikely even that one may happen. I am not scared of my grill catching fire, but I have a fire extinguisher nearby to increase my own odds if a fire should begin to spread. Likewise, I am not scared of being attacked, but I carry because it seems foolish not to take advantage of that option when it is available and can only help.

Properly handled, a firearm does nothing but improve my odds if a very unlikely thing happened. I incur no additional risk from carrying a firearm, and I increase my odds of surviving in the event of an attack, even though I do not "fear" an attack as it is statistically unlikely. It's a simple matter of understanding the odds. The upside potential of carrying a firearm is indeed small, but the downside potential is smaller still. On the balance, there is benefit to it even when there is no fear of an incident occurring.

ZV

He's British. They have a trillion security cameras and the criminals keep attacking. They think a camera will deter a criminal when a gun works so much better.

Echelon, Carnivore, Patriot Act, general surveillance?

Yeah, us Brits are truly supervised.

Besides, i'm in Afghanistan.

Damn, he's got you there. Oh, and don't forget the cameras they're planning to install outside Manhattan to monitor all incoming/outgoing traffic.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I am in Afghanistan and i'm not that scared, if you're scared enough to have to carry in your own damn neighbourhood, something is seriously fucked up.

It has absolutely nothing whatsoever with being scared. At least for me.

I carry a firearm for the same reason that I wear a seat belt and have a fire extinguisher in my house. In the event that something incredibly unlikely happens, I want to do what I can to tilt the odds in my favor. It's that simple.

ZV

You cannot be serious? You carry a gun for safety an not because you are scared?

If i ever felt the need to carry a gun, i'd fucking move, i have NEVER felt that need, not once, not walking alone through Sheffield from the pub, not even felt any worries when my daughter walked home late (2300).

If you don't get what the difference of function and purpose between a firearm and a seatbelt or a fire extinguisher is then please stay away from people forever.

The purpose of a firearm is to provide a means for a weaker individual to resist a stronger one. It is an item of last resort, but it remains capable of tipping the odds in the favor of the person who carries it.

Just like a firearm, a seatbelt or a fire extinguisher provide an emergency option in situations that one hopes do not come up. I am not scared of getting into an accident, but I wear a seat belt to increase my odds of survival in the unlikely even that one may happen. I am not scared of my grill catching fire, but I have a fire extinguisher nearby to increase my own odds if a fire should begin to spread. Likewise, I am not scared of being attacked, but I carry because it seems foolish not to take advantage of that option when it is available and can only help.

Properly handled, a firearm does nothing but improve my odds if a very unlikely thing happened. I incur no additional risk from carrying a firearm, and I increase my odds of surviving in the event of an attack, even though I do not "fear" an attack as it is statistically unlikely. It's a simple matter of understanding the odds. The upside potential of carrying a firearm is indeed small, but the downside potential is smaller still. On the balance, there is benefit to it even when there is no fear of an incident occurring.

ZV

He's British. They have a trillion security cameras and the criminals keep attacking. They think a camera will deter a criminal when a gun works so much better.

He's also an active soldier (decorated, if I remember correctly) who is currently in a combat zone. He knows full well the value of a sidearm and the safety of such tools when properly handled. He's not a fool by anyone's measure. He's blunt, caustic, and convinced that he's right, but so am I.

I can fully understand how a trained soldier in strong physical condition who has seen true combat would see little reason for a firearm when wandering in civilian circles. But soldiers often forget that we are not all trained in hand-to-hand combat; that we are not all in peak physical condition. I can completely understand how a soldier could discount the risks in civilian life as impossible. I don't agree with it and I think it's a foolish error caused by a desensitization to violence from the battlefield, but it is an understandable and natural reaction by someone who has seen things far worse than I will ever see.

ZV

 

[andy04]

do you feel that your life is threatened? are you sure he is going to kill you? what did he say before he pulled out his weapon? how big was his knife? was his gun loaded? did you see the expression on his face? was he of the same race as you? did you ever participate in any race related discussions/gathering. Does anyone in your family has a history of violent behavior? Were you having any trouble at home?

Lawyers will do anything to add a success story to their resume... they are the worst the mankind can offer... we are electing one as our president!!!

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I am in Afghanistan and i'm not that scared, if you're scared enough to have to carry in your own damn neighbourhood, something is seriously fucked up.

It has absolutely nothing whatsoever with being scared. At least for me.

I carry a firearm for the same reason that I wear a seat belt and have a fire extinguisher in my house. In the event that something incredibly unlikely happens, I want to do what I can to tilt the odds in my favor. It's that simple.

ZV

You cannot be serious? You carry a gun for safety an not because you are scared?

If i ever felt the need to carry a gun, i'd fucking move, i have NEVER felt that need, not once, not walking alone through Sheffield from the pub, not even felt any worries when my daughter walked home late (2300).

If you don't get what the difference of function and purpose between a firearm and a seatbelt or a fire extinguisher is then please stay away from people forever.

The purpose of a firearm is to provide a means for a weaker individual to resist a stronger one. It is an item of last resort, but it remains capable of tipping the odds in the favor of the person who carries it.

Just like a firearm, a seatbelt or a fire extinguisher provide an emergency option in situations that one hopes do not come up. I am not scared of getting into an accident, but I wear a seat belt to increase my odds of survival in the unlikely even that one may happen. I am not scared of my grill catching fire, but I have a fire extinguisher nearby to increase my own odds if a fire should begin to spread. Likewise, I am not scared of being attacked, but I carry because it seems foolish not to take advantage of that option when it is available and can only help.

Properly handled, a firearm does nothing but improve my odds if a very unlikely thing happened. Neither I, nor others, incur additional risk from carrying a firearm, and I increase my odds of surviving in the event of an attack, even though I do not "fear" an attack as it is statistically unlikely. It's a simple matter of understanding the odds. The upside potential of carrying a firearm is indeed small, but the downside potential is smaller still. On the balance, there is benefit to it even when there is no fear of an incident occurring.

ZV

Christ, indoctrinated much? I think you just recited all of the bullshit slogans ever made without actually giving your OWN opinion, i don't even think you have one, it's just all these hundreds of BS slogans.

And they are all equally stupid.

And I can claim that you're simply spouting illogical emotional drivel from gun control groups. It works both ways.

Of course, it's also possible that we have both arrived at our positions independently and the resemblance our responses have to our sides' respective "slogans" is due to the fact that there are only a finite number of ways to express a particular view.

We can trade insults into eternity. Or you can logically refute my positions and I will respond in kind. Neither approach will result in our views changing, and, frankly, they are equally entertaining. The only difference is that the latter requires some actual thought on my part.

ZV

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I am in Afghanistan and i'm not that scared, if you're scared enough to have to carry in your own damn neighbourhood, something is seriously fucked up.

It has absolutely nothing whatsoever with being scared. At least for me.

I carry a firearm for the same reason that I wear a seat belt and have a fire extinguisher in my house. In the event that something incredibly unlikely happens, I want to do what I can to tilt the odds in my favor. It's that simple.

ZV

You cannot be serious? You carry a gun for safety an not because you are scared?

If i ever felt the need to carry a gun, i'd fucking move, i have NEVER felt that need, not once, not walking alone through Sheffield from the pub, not even felt any worries when my daughter walked home late (2300).

If you don't get what the difference of function and purpose between a firearm and a seatbelt or a fire extinguisher is then please stay away from people forever.

The purpose of a firearm is to provide a means for a weaker individual to resist a stronger one. It is an item of last resort, but it remains capable of tipping the odds in the favor of the person who carries it.

Just like a firearm, a seatbelt or a fire extinguisher provide an emergency option in situations that one hopes do not come up. I am not scared of getting into an accident, but I wear a seat belt to increase my odds of survival in the unlikely even that one may happen. I am not scared of my grill catching fire, but I have a fire extinguisher nearby to increase my own odds if a fire should begin to spread. Likewise, I am not scared of being attacked, but I carry because it seems foolish not to take advantage of that option when it is available and can only help.

Properly handled, a firearm does nothing but improve my odds if a very unlikely thing happened. I incur no additional risk from carrying a firearm, and I increase my odds of surviving in the event of an attack, even though I do not "fear" an attack as it is statistically unlikely. It's a simple matter of understanding the odds. The upside potential of carrying a firearm is indeed small, but the downside potential is smaller still. On the balance, there is benefit to it even when there is no fear of an incident occurring.

ZV

He's British. They have a trillion security cameras and the criminals keep attacking. They think a camera will deter a criminal when a gun works so much better.

He's also an active soldier (decorated, if I remember correctly) who is currently in a combat zone. He knows full well the value of a sidearm and the safety of such tools when properly handled. He's not a fool by anyone's measure. He's blunt, caustic, and convinced that he's right, but so am I.

I can fully understand how a trained soldier in strong physical condition who has seen true combat would see little reason for a firearm when wandering in civilian circles. But soldiers often forget that we are not all trained in hand-to-hand combat; that we are not all in peak physical condition. I can completely understand how a soldier could discount the risks in civilian life as impossible. I don't agree with it and I think it's a foolish error caused by a desensitization to violence from the battlefield, but it is an understandable and natural reaction by someone who has seen things far worse than I will ever see.

ZV

This is the FIRST TIME anyone has given me a proper counterpoint in this debate, and it's because you are not arrogant nor selfish.

You may very well be right about me, but i judge every man from where i stand, if that is fair or not, i don't know, but you do that too, we all have our own perspectives.

However, you've been the first one in 25 years of debate on this issue that actually have made me think about it and you know what, you're right, you're perfectly right and i forget that life for most people isn't like life in the war zones i've lived too much of my life in.

I need to remember that.

 

[AstroManLuca]

John, do you carry a sidearm with you everywhere in Afghanistan? A rifle? Both? Neither?

I can also understand feeling less need to arm oneself if you live in the UK vs. the US. The safest place I've ever been, though, was definitely China. Was there a year and a half ago and I'd regularly take long walks with friends in the middle of the night, sometimes while drunk. Crime, beyond things like pickpocketing (which never happened to me but did happen to some of my friends while I was there), was basically nonexistent. I would not have felt unsafe even if I were in an unknown part of the city by myself.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I am in Afghanistan and i'm not that scared, if you're scared enough to have to carry in your own damn neighbourhood, something is seriously fucked up.

It has absolutely nothing whatsoever with being scared. At least for me.

I carry a firearm for the same reason that I wear a seat belt and have a fire extinguisher in my house. In the event that something incredibly unlikely happens, I want to do what I can to tilt the odds in my favor. It's that simple.

ZV

You cannot be serious? You carry a gun for safety an not because you are scared?

If i ever felt the need to carry a gun, i'd fucking move, i have NEVER felt that need, not once, not walking alone through Sheffield from the pub, not even felt any worries when my daughter walked home late (2300).

If you don't get what the difference of function and purpose between a firearm and a seatbelt or a fire extinguisher is then please stay away from people forever.

The purpose of a firearm is to provide a means for a weaker individual to resist a stronger one. It is an item of last resort, but it remains capable of tipping the odds in the favor of the person who carries it.

Just like a firearm, a seatbelt or a fire extinguisher provide an emergency option in situations that one hopes do not come up. I am not scared of getting into an accident, but I wear a seat belt to increase my odds of survival in the unlikely even that one may happen. I am not scared of my grill catching fire, but I have a fire extinguisher nearby to increase my own odds if a fire should begin to spread. Likewise, I am not scared of being attacked, but I carry because it seems foolish not to take advantage of that option when it is available and can only help.

Properly handled, a firearm does nothing but improve my odds if a very unlikely thing happened. Neither I, nor others, incur additional risk from carrying a firearm, and I increase my odds of surviving in the event of an attack, even though I do not "fear" an attack as it is statistically unlikely. It's a simple matter of understanding the odds. The upside potential of carrying a firearm is indeed small, but the downside potential is smaller still. On the balance, there is benefit to it even when there is no fear of an incident occurring.

ZV

Christ, indoctrinated much? I think you just recited all of the bullshit slogans ever made without actually giving your OWN opinion, i don't even think you have one, it's just all these hundreds of BS slogans.

And they are all equally stupid.

And I can claim that you're simply spouting illogical emotional drivel from gun control groups. It works both ways.

Of course, it's also possible that we have both arrived at our positions independently and the resemblance our responses have to our sides' respective "slogans" is due to the fact that there are only a finite number of ways to express a particular view.

We can trade insults into eternity. Or you can logically refute my positions and I will respond in kind. Neither approach will result in our views changing, and, frankly, they are equally entertaining. The only difference is that the latter requires some actual thought.

ZV

I think i misunderstood your intention, and i'm man enough to apologise when i am wrong, so i apologise.

I stand by my stance, but the way i put it was just stupid, personally, i don't want a society where anyone FEELS THE NEED to carry a concealed firearm, but the fight for that and where we are now isn't the same situation, i'm not daft, i get that too, it's just that i've NEVER felt a need to carry a gun except in the battlefield.

But as you stated, that might just be the thing that has changed me, there are not much that you assess as a risk after having been in harms way in the battlefield.

So i can twist this, and i can turn it, but you're right in either case.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
This is the FIRST TIME anyone has given me a proper counterpoint in this debate, and it's because you are not arrogant nor selfish.

You may very well be right about me, but i judge every man from where i stand, if that is fair or not, i don't know, but you do that too, we all have our own perspectives.

However, you've been the first one in 25 years of debate on this issue that actually have made me think about it and you know what, you're right, you're perfectly right and i forget that life for most people isn't like life in the war zones i've lived too much of my life in.

I need to remember that.

John, that's one of the finer compliments I've ever received. We may disagree on more than a couple issues, but I'd buy you a beer any day. :beer:

ZV

EDIT: Also, I am both arrogant and selfish. You just don't know me well enough yet.

 

[rudeguy]

gun vs. garbage can lid


There was a guy in Grand Rapids, MI that shot a guy in the face at a gas station. The other guy had a trash can lid and was using it in a threatening manner. The shooter was cleared of all charges.


There is a video too

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
John, do you carry a sidearm with you everywhere in Afghanistan? A rifle? Both? Neither?

I can also understand feeling less need to arm oneself if you live in the UK vs. the US. The safest place I've ever been, though, was definitely China. Was there a year and a half ago and I'd regularly take long walks with friends in the middle of the night, sometimes while drunk. Crime, beyond things like pickpocketing (which never happened to me but did happen to some of my friends while I was there), was basically nonexistent. I would not have felt unsafe even if I were in an unknown part of the city by myself.

Well, personally i carry a G3 and depending on the role one of three other guns and i've got three snipers covering every piece of land we enter and one "blower".

I have walked my children through the neighbourhood late at night for many a nights, i have NEVER locked my car or my front door to my house, not even once.

And this is in Sheffield, so it's not hicktown population 20 either.

It might just be that i'm stupid though.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
This is the FIRST TIME anyone has given me a proper counterpoint in this debate, and it's because you are not arrogant nor selfish.

You may very well be right about me, but i judge every man from where i stand, if that is fair or not, i don't know, but you do that too, we all have our own perspectives.

However, you've been the first one in 25 years of debate on this issue that actually have made me think about it and you know what, you're right, you're perfectly right and i forget that life for most people isn't like life in the war zones i've lived too much of my life in.

I need to remember that.

John, that's one of the finer compliments I've ever received. We may disagree on more than a couple issues, but I'd buy you a beer any day. :beer:

ZV

EDIT: Also, I am both arrogant and selfish. You just don't know me well enough yet.

I'll be travelling through the US so i might take you up on that offer, but only if you allow me to buy you a choice of a Guiness, a tequila, straight up, blue agave, or a Laphroaig.

I do mean every word of that post and i KNOW we have disagreed before, but you had something to say, and what you said was true, i'd be a fool if i deny it and i may be many things, but i'm no fool.

EDIT: Being arrogant and selfish at the right time is a quality in itself, i'd say i possess those qualities too, however, you, like me, know what is waht, no man can carry the burdon of war alone.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
This is the FIRST TIME anyone has given me a proper counterpoint in this debate, and it's because you are not arrogant nor selfish.

You may very well be right about me, but i judge every man from where i stand, if that is fair or not, i don't know, but you do that too, we all have our own perspectives.

However, you've been the first one in 25 years of debate on this issue that actually have made me think about it and you know what, you're right, you're perfectly right and i forget that life for most people isn't like life in the war zones i've lived too much of my life in.

I need to remember that.

John, that's one of the finer compliments I've ever received. We may disagree on more than a couple issues, but I'd buy you a beer any day. :beer:

ZV

EDIT: Also, I am both arrogant and selfish. You just don't know me well enough yet.

I'll be travelling through the US so i might take you up on that offer, but only if you allow me to buy you a choice of a Guiness, a tequila, straight up, blue agave, or a Laphroaig.

I do mean every word of that post and i KNOW we have disagreed before, but you had something to say, and what you said was true, i'd be a fool if i deny it and i may be many things, but i'm no fool.

God damn that's romantic! I suppose even the most heated of ATOT debates can be diffused? Or at least end up with some lighter notes?

(well, maybe not spending $200+ for jeans)

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: rudeguy
gun vs. garbage can lid


There was a guy in Grand Rapids, MI that shot a guy in the face at a gas station. The other guy had a trash can lid and was using it in a threatening manner. The shooter was cleared of all charges.


There is a video too

Good lord, and I thought only Texans were that crazy.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
This is the FIRST TIME anyone has given me a proper counterpoint in this debate, and it's because you are not arrogant nor selfish.

You may very well be right about me, but i judge every man from where i stand, if that is fair or not, i don't know, but you do that too, we all have our own perspectives.

However, you've been the first one in 25 years of debate on this issue that actually have made me think about it and you know what, you're right, you're perfectly right and i forget that life for most people isn't like life in the war zones i've lived too much of my life in.

I need to remember that.

John, that's one of the finer compliments I've ever received. We may disagree on more than a couple issues, but I'd buy you a beer any day. :beer:

ZV

EDIT: Also, I am both arrogant and selfish. You just don't know me well enough yet.

I'll be travelling through the US so i might take you up on that offer, but only if you allow me to buy you a choice of a Guiness, a tequila, straight up, blue agave, or a Laphroaig.

I do mean every word of that post and i KNOW we have disagreed before, but you had something to say, and what you said was true, i'd be a fool if i deny it and i may be many things, but i'm no fool.

God damn that's romantic! I suppose even the most heated of ATOT debates can be diffused? Or at least end up with some lighter notes?

(well, maybe not spending $200+ for jeans)

I don't think diffused means what you think it means. I think you mean defused.

But i'm a humble man to those people who deserve it, and strong words will be saved for those who deserve that.

That gets me banned though but i cannot help that, i'll take that ban and maybe chime in later on.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
This is the FIRST TIME anyone has given me a proper counterpoint in this debate, and it's because you are not arrogant nor selfish.

You may very well be right about me, but i judge every man from where i stand, if that is fair or not, i don't know, but you do that too, we all have our own perspectives.

However, you've been the first one in 25 years of debate on this issue that actually have made me think about it and you know what, you're right, you're perfectly right and i forget that life for most people isn't like life in the war zones i've lived too much of my life in.

I need to remember that.

John, that's one of the finer compliments I've ever received. We may disagree on more than a couple issues, but I'd buy you a beer any day. :beer:

ZV

EDIT: Also, I am both arrogant and selfish. You just don't know me well enough yet.

I'll be travelling through the US so i might take you up on that offer, but only if you allow me to buy you a choice of a Guiness, a tequila, straight up, blue agave, or a Laphroaig.

I do mean every word of that post and i KNOW we have disagreed before, but you had something to say, and what you said was true, i'd be a fool if i deny it and i may be many things, but i'm no fool.

God damn that's romantic! I suppose even the most heated of ATOT debates can be diffused? Or at least end up with some lighter notes?

(well, maybe not spending $200+ for jeans)

I don't think diffused means what you think it means. I think you mean defused.

But i'm a humble man to those people who deserve it, and strong words will be saved for those who deserve that.

That gets me banned though but i cannot help that, i'll take that ban and maybe chime in later on.

I just wanted to say that I think it was great of you to man up like that.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
This is the FIRST TIME anyone has given me a proper counterpoint in this debate, and it's because you are not arrogant nor selfish.

You may very well be right about me, but i judge every man from where i stand, if that is fair or not, i don't know, but you do that too, we all have our own perspectives.

However, you've been the first one in 25 years of debate on this issue that actually have made me think about it and you know what, you're right, you're perfectly right and i forget that life for most people isn't like life in the war zones i've lived too much of my life in.

I need to remember that.

John, that's one of the finer compliments I've ever received. We may disagree on more than a couple issues, but I'd buy you a beer any day. :beer:

ZV

EDIT: Also, I am both arrogant and selfish. You just don't know me well enough yet.

I'll be travelling through the US so i might take you up on that offer, but only if you allow me to buy you a choice of a Guiness, a tequila, straight up, blue agave, or a Laphroaig.

I do mean every word of that post and i KNOW we have disagreed before, but you had something to say, and what you said was true, i'd be a fool if i deny it and i may be many things, but i'm no fool.

God damn that's romantic! I suppose even the most heated of ATOT debates can be diffused? Or at least end up with some lighter notes?

(well, maybe not spending $200+ for jeans)

I don't think diffused means what you think it means. I think you mean defused.

Truth. It's late.

 

[wetcat007]

Maybe the guy is jogging and runs faster with a knife you ever think of that?

 

[thepd7]

If you two lovebirds are done (jk, great discussion) can we get back to the thread? Someone actually thinks that it's ok to shoot to kill.

I took the Texas CHL class 2 months ago, this is a question on the test. You shoot to STOP, not kill. Whether the person dies or not is inconsequential, what matters is that you neutralize the threat. In the case of shooting the car tires, yes this person did not actually shoot to stop. The most effective way to stop a car is the driver, not wheels.

 

[Mo0o]

You can't possibly jog in a safer location like the school's gym?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
usually a knife is enough to justify deadly force.

only if he keeps advancing or is already swinging at you. if hes a couple steps away just threatening you you'd have a hard to explaining why you shot him in the head right away.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Dari
1. Somebody pulls a knife on me. I take out my legal concealed gun, aim for their head, and shoot, killing them.

2. Somebody pulls a gun on me. I take out my legal concealed gun, aim for their head, and shoot, killing them.

Am I supposed to warn them after I've pulled out my weapon? Can I shoot to kill or do I have to maim them?

Never shoot to wound. Depending on how far away the knife attacker is you can warn them if you want but if you are in fear of your life put two in him.

Second situation BANG BANG (anything worth shooting once is worth shooting twice) BANG (just to be really sure).

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I am in Afghanistan and i'm not that scared, if you're scared enough to have to carry in your own damn neighbourhood, something is seriously fucked up.

It has absolutely nothing whatsoever with being scared. At least for me.

I carry a firearm for the same reason that I wear a seat belt and have a fire extinguisher in my house. In the event that something incredibly unlikely happens, I want to do what I can to tilt the odds in my favor. It's that simple.

ZV

You cannot be serious? You carry a gun for safety an not because you are scared?

If i ever felt the need to carry a gun, i'd fucking move, i have NEVER felt that need, not once, not walking alone through Sheffield from the pub, not even felt any worries when my daughter walked home late (2300).

If you don't get what the difference of function and purpose between a firearm and a seatbelt or a fire extinguisher is then please stay away from people forever.

I agree with him. I carry a tool that has a purpose, that's it. There's no fear, just preparation.