Is this magazine cover offensive?

Xstatic1

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LeBron James has stirred up almost as much commotion on the cover of Vogue as he does on the court.

The Cleveland Cavaliers? superstar is on the magazine?s April 2008 ?shape? issue, mouth gaping, face twisted in a grimace, muscles bulging and arm slung around supermodel Gisele Bundchen.

They?re two of the most beautiful people on earth. But some say the Vogue photograph, shot by Annie Leibovitz, isn?t attractive at all because of the racial stereotype it purportedly evokes -- black beast clutching a white damsel in distress, reflected in French sculptor Emmanuel Fremiet?s 1887 statue ?Gorilla Carrying Off a Woman,? and later, in the many incarnations of ?King Kong.?

?Here you have an image of a black male athlete in an exceptionally aggressive stance, wide footed, bending over, clutching her with his arm,? said Jason Rosenfeld, professor of art history at Marymount Manhattan College. ?It?s one thing to have an athlete in that kind of pose and with that kind of expression on a court after he or she has done something miraculous. It?s another thing to couple it with someone who is of an entirely different ilk and gender. That turns it into a racially charged image.?

Why the scrutiny? LeBron is the first black man, and only the third man in Vogue?s 115-year history, to grace the high fashion mag?s cover.

?When you?re for the first time putting a black man on the cover, and this is the way you?re depicting him, it means that you?re going nowhere,? Rosenfeld said. ?Pose LeBron in the pose of a Greek God and pose her as a Venus -- then you?re upping the conversation.?

Rosenfeld, in case you?re wondering, is white. Robin Givhan, the Pulitzer Prize-winning fashion editor of the Washington Post and a former associate editor at Vogue, is black. And she doesn?t see what all the fuss is about.

?It?s so exhausting that every time people see an image of a black person they work themselves into a tizzy that somehow it doesn?t adhere to the way in which they think a black person should be presented,? she said.

?I find it hard to say that Gisele looks like a damsel in distress. She?s 5?11 and quite sturdy,? she continued. ?My initial reaction was, maybe the photograph is trying to capture his personality. Would Michael Jordan, James Blake or Tiger Woods have been photographed in the same way??

True, it?s hard to picture cool and calm Tiger posing like anything reminiscent of his namesake. And Vogue, asked to react to the backlash, said it chose the louder LeBron photo (as opposed to calmer pictorials inside the mag) because it?s ?expressive, fun and upbeat.?

?Needless to say, the intention from the beginning was only to depict LeBron and Gisele as superstars at the top of their game,? Vogue spokesperson Patrick O?Connell said. ?The point about the entire issue is that it celebrates diversity. And I think that people need to look at the entire issue.?

But Givhan said the ?entire issue? is the fact that Vogue depicts so little diversity on its covers. In November, Portfolio magazine pointed out that when Jennifer Hudson was on the magazine?s cover in March 2007, she was only the third black celebrity to appear there.

?The whole LeBron thing really comes down to ? maybe Vogue should have more people of color on their cover, male and female,? she said. ?Maybe then they won?t be so scrutinized when they do put a person of color on their cover.?

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behind-the-scenes footage of Gisele and LeBron: http://www.popcrunch.com/gisel...zine-april-2008-video/
 

destrekor

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I voted no.

I don't find it offensive, though I am a white male.
But it makes sense to me. He's a young and powerful star athlete, appearing on the cover of what is essentially a fashion and lifestyle magazine, more typically viewed by women. If you're going to put him on the cover, it would be wrong to pose him passively. And if it were a black female, then that could offend people too. Based on the cover story, it seems to be a decent way to put those two together. Other poses could work too, but it conveys the aggressive nature of a hulking male basketball star and a model.
I'd say its more stereotypical than controversial.

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mordantmonkey

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wtf? seriously?

also, how the hell are the examples they gave racist stereotypes? I think it's more racist to imply that ?Gorilla Carrying Off a Woman,? or king kong actually portray stereotypes.
this is the kind of reactionary BS that makes the PC police that spout it appear as closeted xenophobic bigots themselves.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: mordantmonkey
wtf? seriously?

also, how the hell are the examples they gave racist stereotypes? I think it's more racist to imply that ?Gorilla Carrying Off a Woman,? or king kong actually portray stereotypes.
this is the kind of reactionary BS that makes the PC police that spout it appear as closeted xenophobic bigots themselves.

I hate the PC softness that has became standard across the U.S. It stagnates social progress, which in turn just screws everything up.

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Jeff7

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Originally posted by: George P Burdell
People seriously need to find better things to get offended by.
The "P" in the middle of your name is too phallic. I don't like it. It's also bold, indicating an enlarged state. Unacceptable. And then there's the word "member" right below it. It just keeps getting worse, you know? Very offensive.
 

Safeway

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It just looks a little awkward or forced, not offensive. What fucking pseudo-hypersensitive morons.
 

BoomerD

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Oh hell yes it is...


well, actually no it's not, except that he's fugly as can be...
(and he'd better get his hand of that white girl or some cracker's likely to bust a cap in his ass...)
(stereotypes...gotta love em)


There's nothing inherently offensive about that cover at all. Like I said, he's an ugly mofo...and mordantmonkey's comment about a gorilla carrying off a girl may appear to be accurate...
 

Agentbolt

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Oh God fucking dammit. Really, America? REALLY? It's time to turn into the skid, and have Ladies Home Journal put a picture of Jennifer Aniston, in blackface, dressed up like Aunt Jemima and singing "Old Dan Tucker" on their front cover. Let's see what the whiney, uppity, pussified American public thinks of that one.

Jesus this kind of pseudo "Let's try as hard as humanly possibly to find something to be offended by about this" liberal attitude about race pisses me off.
 

Bill Brasky

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god these people must be bored out of their minds. GET A NEW HOBBY...

edit:I want the four people that voted yes to post, and I want to know skin color as well.
 

n7

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Cover looks stupid...then again, most magazine covers do.
 

DangerAardvark

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That's womens' magazines for you: trying to convince you that 6's are 10's since the dawn of time.

And what exactly is LeBron's secret to staying in shape? WELL IT JUST MIGHT BE THAT HE'S A PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE. Here's his secret: he gets paid millions of dollars to do it. Now apply it to your own lives.
 

Kadarin

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It's ridiculous. "the racial stereotype it purportedly evokes -- black beast clutching a white damsel in distress" You really have to stretch, a lot, to read that from the picture. There's absolutely nothing whatsoever in her body language that suggests that she's in any kind of distress (she's arching her back and turning toward him, possibly to better display her tits), and he doesn't even look like he's clutching her. Note that his thumb and index finger aren't touching her, and this gives me the impression that he's not only not being possessive toward her, but even that he's a bit reluctant to touch her.

Someone is trying to create controversy for its own sake.
 

QueBert

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Originally posted by: Kadarin
It's ridiculous. "the racial stereotype it purportedly evokes -- black beast clutching a white damsel in distress" You really have to stretch, a lot, to read that from the picture. There's absolutely nothing whatsoever in her body language that suggests that she's in any kind of distress (she's arching her back and turning toward him, possibly to better display her tits), and he doesn't even look like he's clutching her. Note that his thumb and index finger aren't touching her, and this gives me the impression that he's not only not being possessive toward her, but even that he's a bit reluctant to touch her.

Someone is trying to create controversy for its own sake.

a lot of people will see it like that without reading this story, America for the most part still can't get over race. a quote from Denzel Washington

While filming the 1995 film Virtuosity, Washington refused to kiss his white female co-star, Kelly Lynch, during a romantic scene between their characters. During an interview, Lynch stated that while she wanted to, "Denzel felt very strongly about it. I felt there is no problem with interracial romance. But Denzel felt strongly that the white males, who were the target audience of this movie, would not want to see him kiss a white woman." Lynch further stated, "That's a shame. I feel badly about it. I keep thinking that the world's changed, but it hasn't changed quick enough."[5]

you can argue if he's right, or just crazy. But what he did here is a direct reflection of what he believes, and there's truth to it because a lot of people would have been outraged. it's sad but that's life

 
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I dunno.... maybe this is a good sign...

Things are so good in america that we have to look this hard to find someting to be upset about. You really do have to excercise a great amount of creativity to manufacture the racial overtones that have apparently set off a couple of pundits. If you're that desperate to be offended, I guess this will do. Anyone else (re: normal person) will probably stop at "why is there a dude on the cover of Vogue?"
 

lyssword

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I see absolutely nothing wrong. Seriously, if nobody told me that there's a "controversy" I wouldnt' think twice about the image.
 

RaistlinZ

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Dear lord, some people have WAY too much time on their hands if they get offended by stuff like this. The juxtaposition of an angry looking Lebron and a happy looking Gisele is kinda awkward, but it makes you stop and look at the magazine which is the intent of the photo.

And I would hardly call Gisele a "damsel in distress" in that photo.
 

alkemyst

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I am offended...notice how they have to put the white woman in front of the black man...WTF...everyone knows the woman should be following and her eyes down.

 
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