Is this PSU ok for my asus a8n-sli dlx?

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Insomniak

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Not the amperage. Current is current.

Think of it as tennis balls hitting a wall. If you throw two tennis balls at the same time, you have twice as many balls, but still only one impact, because they're thrown at the same time.

The balls are voltage, the impacts are amps. You're getting twice as much voltage, but the problem is it's not constant. The gaps between amps, or impacts, are still there, and that's what's causing the problem. It's that the parts aren't getting power often enough, not that they're not getting enough of it.

It's a very crude analogy, but it works.
 

Algere

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Originally posted by: FastEddie
Originally posted by: Insomniak
I'd stay away from dual rail PSUs. The long short of it is that amperages are not additive.

Concur completely. And reference this--->

Dual Rail & SLI

I don't believe that article/source is entirely accurate, e.g.

This of course lead to the popularity of ?dual-rail? power supplies that could power the motherboard/CPU and video card on separate rails

From this it sounds like the CPU & MB share the same 12V rail while the other rail is utilized by the graphics card via 6-pin connector. Problem is not all dual rail PSUs have that type of setup & my post below the OP may list more possible inaccuracies in that article. I'm open if anyone can disprove it or clear it up for me if that's the case.
 

Insomniak

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Originally posted by: Algere
From this it sounds like the CPU & MB share the same 12V rail while the other rail is utilized by the graphics card via 6-pin connector. Problem is not all dual rail PSUs have that type of setup & my post below the OP may list more possible inaccuracies in that article. I'm open if anyone can disprove it or clear it up for me if that's the case.

The problem is, as I see it, that one of those seperate rails is not powerful enough to power the MB, HDDs, Optical Drives, Case Fans, etc.

You throw all that stuff on an 18amp rail, it's just NOT going to work. Thus, it becomes a balancing act, and you end up with, as that article put it, connector hell, trying to connect everything so that your 12v load is balanced between the two rails. Otherwise, each rail is getting clobbered seperately.

You CAN run a dual rail system, but it's much easier and you have a much larger margin of error if you just get a PSU with a single strong 12v rail. My PSU, for example, has a 33A 12v rail - that's more than enough for most anything.
 

ltwentoncha

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That was PSU of choice as well, but is the consensus here that it's no good for SLI, then? After reading I'm a bit discouraged; in any case, does nVidia have a compatibility list of PSUs, or a list of PSUs that are considered SLI certified?

Thanks.
 

Insomniak

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Just get something 500W or more with 26A or more on the SINGLE 12v rail, from a reputable manufacturer. That should power pretty much anything out there.

The Athena Power that Eddie linked earlier is excellent:

Originally posted by: FastEddie
Here guys----> Athena Power

You don't need to spend a ton on a real decent psu. The one I linked is an excellent unit.
 

FastEddie

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With Dual Rails, people are under the belief that when one rail gets maxed, the second rail magically kicks in to take up the slack. This is not true. There is no cross compensation between the two rails. The problem is in running one rail at a constant 100% of it's capacity, where the only fluctuation even allowable is on the downward slop of the voltage curve, not upward. If the system needs another 3.2 amps of current on that maxed rail, it's not available, and the second rail can't pitch in and assist. When you have a single rail psu, with lots of amps available, you will never approach the max current draw on that rail. The power will always be available when needed.
 

Algere

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Not the amperage. Current is current.
Isn't amp & current one and the same?

Think of it as tennis balls hitting a wall. If you throw two tennis balls at the same time, you have twice as many balls, but still only one impact, because they're thrown at the same time.
Is having 2 seperate areas of impact from those balls factored in as well? i.e. # of balls*area of impact.

The balls are voltage, the impacts are amps. You're getting twice as much voltage, but the problem is it's not constant. The gaps between amps, or impacts, are still there, and that's what's causing the problem.
Doesn't make sense to me since some dual rail PSUs (Rail 1=PCIe slot, Rail 2=PCIe 6-pin) have no problems powering dual 6800 GTs & according to your ideology (& others?) dual rail PSUs not in-sync on both rails @ impact (amp) will cause problems which I don't see happening under the most optimistic scenarios for a dual rail PSU. Also why exactly does the amp flow between both rails have to be in-sync to be additive? IDK, wouldn't that cause a overload if 2A were sent (one from each rail) to the same device concurrently instead of sequentially? I suppose I'm asking cause I happen to see it somewhat differently.

If a PCIe 16X slot gives off a pulse (amp/impact) every so often & the PCIe 6-pin connector gives pulses during a PCIe 16X slot's pulse gaps - both drawing same amperage from the PSU for argument sake, I'd imagine you'd get the following.

+ = 12V pulse (amp)
- = unit of time (not accurate due to type spacing)

Ex. (Not real life example; PCIe 16X has 5.5A, not 5A among other variables)

PCIe 16X slot
+----------+----------+----------+----------+----- 5A*12V = 60W

PCIe 6-pin connector
------+----------+----------+----------+----------+ 5A*12V = 60W

Both combined
+----+-----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ 10A*12V = 120W

Since you said amperage isn't additive, I suppose what's really additive is wattage/power from both 12V lines (PCIe slot/6-pin) but if you were to add the amps together from both rails's respective watt output. It would be 5A+5A=10A*12V=120W. IDK seems additive to me, but of course it's under how I see it to be possible.

It's that the parts aren't getting power often enough, not that they're not getting enough of it.
Parts that aren't getting power/watts often enough (I assume due to current/amp) is also not getting enough of it. Wattage is amp*voltage (flow*amount) from what I understand.

Ex. 60W required for device

Enough current
+-----+-----+-----+-----+ 5A*12V = 60W

Lacking
+-------+-------+--------+ 4A*12V = 48W

If + is a 12V pulse, the lacking line is not sending enough wattage/power regardless if 12V is delivered in full (within +/-5%) per time.

The problem is, as I see it, that one of those seperate rails is not powerful enough to power the MB, HDDs, Optical Drives, Case Fans, etc.
AFAIK one PSU that distributes power like that among it's 12V rails is the old Neopower & not all dual rail PSUs follow that same design. One example that I mentioned in my earlier post was MB/CPU on one rail & drives, 6-pin, fans, etc on the other rail - more dual rail designs out there. Therefore with that design one of the two rails are not responsible for powering up the MB, HDDs, Optical Drives, Case Fans, etc. on one rail but are more equally shared (system load) among both rails.

You throw all that stuff on an 18amp rail, it's just NOT going to work. Thus, it becomes a balancing act, and you end up with, as that article put it, connector hell, trying to connect everything so that your 12v load is balanced between the two rails.
I thought EZ plug was for PSUs lacking a 24-pin connector, not because of dual rail specifically. I think the reason EZ plug helps older dual rail designs is because some if not all, lack the power necessary for the main atx power draw (& raised 75W requirement from 60W?). IMO these older dual railed PSU designs weren't geared for SLI in contrast to newer dual rail PSUs that are - like the SLI marked Enermax PSUs. So I wouldn't say all dual rail PSU owners experience "connector hell", if that one extra plug is reason to call it that. Unless I'm assuming wrong & EZ plug is not what that extra connector is.

 

Skinjob

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How about this one:

Link Depot 14CM LED Fan 550W Power Supply

Native 24-pin
Modular, wrapped cables including SATA and video
140mm fan
+12V @ 30A

Looks to be a killer according to the specs/features/price, but seems to be a new comer to the PSU market. Anyone had experience with or know of any reviews of Link Depot PSUs?
 

Algere

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Originally posted by: Skinjob
How about this one:

Link Depot 14CM LED Fan 550W Power Supply

Native 24-pin
Modular, wrapped cables including SATA and video
140mm fan
+12V @ 30A

Looks to be a killer according to the specs/features/price, but seems to be a new comer to the PSU market. Anyone had experience with or know of any reviews of Link Depot PSUs?
Never heard of them, maybe it's a rebranded PSU from another company (reputable?).
 
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